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[Kymra]

you can have him... obama, that is... bruce is ours. obama is turning this country into communism/socialism so fast it's not even funny. this country was built on capitalism and that's what has made our country so great. you have a dream, you work for it, you get it. now, with obama at the helm, you have a dream, you work for it, everyone else reaps the benefits.

some might see that as keeping the rich from getting richer and letting the poor enjoy what they wouldn't be able to... that sounds good. but, another way to look at is.... it's taking out incentive. no incentive to work hard cause you're gonna have to pay for that lazy slob's health care and cell phone.... and, no incentive for the lazy slob to get off their butt and get a job cause the gov't is gonna take from the hard working wealthy and give to them.

Most of us here love Obama, not surprised this moron doesn't.

[Kymra]

Oh dear, I don't know where to begin. I disagree with everything you have said in this thread, as it is not based in fact or reality. I flipped past Hannity last night and there was a guy on there calling Obama a marxist/socialist/communist. And people hear this and get riled up and believe it. That's what gets under my skin. It's irresponsible. It shows an utter lack of knowledge of history or a lack of understanding of the meaning of the terms or total ignorance of what Obama has done. Or maybe it is deeply seeded racism or greed, disguised as patriotism. Tea party people have been opposing Obama's taxes for a year now and he hasn't even raised one single tax before a few weeks ago with the surtax on the highest income earners to pay for the health insurance reform. At least he paid for it. The Medicare drug benefit give-away to the pharmaceutical companies that was passed through RECONCILIATION under the Bush regime wasn't even funded and widened our deficit (along with the 2001 tax cuts for the wealthy and the unnecessary, immoral 2 trillion dollar war he started). Obama actually lowered taxes on most individuals. And the spending is necessary as a stimulus package that worked. It fucking worked! He pulled the whole global economy out of the fucking ditch that Bush drove us into, and the Republicans that were behind the wheel are now complaining about the tow truck bill! Thank God government was there to provide a back-stop when the super-sized merged mega banks that were too big to fail needed to cry for help, right before the whole darn economy turned into a black hole. How short some people's memory is.

You do realize that Obama didn't make any changes to the welfare system, don't you? Everything you have said about the poor being lazy and cashing checks and living off of the rich has nothing to do with anything that Obama has done. You seem to be conflating your misplaced anger about the few who abuse the welfare system with Obama for some reason. His healthcare reform is a watered down insurance industry reform. It attempts to prevent abuses by an oligopoly industry that has abused and made victims of the public and provide a basic human need to Americans who cannot afford health care. Would you rather that people die in the streets because they can't get access to healthcare? Should it make a difference whether you work for a large company that provides healthcare benefits or do not have any known illnesses in order to get reasonably affordable access to the healthcare system? People cannot afford health insurance if they are not a part of a large group rate with an employer. Why should the place you work dictate whether you can afford to see a doctor - what do the two things have to do with each other?

I love the capitalism and anti-regulation lines of Republicans. Have you ever played the game monopoly? What happens when one player starts to accrue substantially more money and more real estate properties than all the other players? They end up with everything and the game is over, and they win and everyone else is done for. Imagine how much worse it would be if the person who starts to accumulate more money than everyone else gets the opportunity to pay money to Milton Bradley to rewrite the back of the lid to the game and change the rules in his favor.

We obviously need sensible regulation of business practices. You can't have pure, unregulated capitalism. If you did, monetary Darwinism would ultimately stamp the poor and less powerful out of influence and out of existence. We need anti-trust regulations to prevent monopolies. We need financial industry regulation to prevent insider trading and predatory practices. We need consumer protections and the FDA to regulate food and drugs. And the insurance industry is an oligopoly. A small number of huge companies that control the healthcare industry from the doctors to the hospitals and everything in between. They siphon off billions of dollars in profits that enrich their shareholders and executives and they serve no function other than to puch paper around and broker between the health care industry and the patients. Insurance companies don't treat people. They don't do anything for the system. They just siphon funds out of the system. and They abuse their customers. You pay and pay premiums and as soon as you get sick and it becomes expensive to insure you, they raise rates, deny coverage and kick you off the roles, while they make record profits. I've seen people suffer and worry and go bankrupt. I've seen people stay in miserable jobs just because they need the health insurance and they can't afford premiums if they are not employed with a particular company. It's crazy and makes no sense.

Over 45,000 people die each year because of a lack of health insurance. What would Jesus do? He wouldn't complain about a welfare system that Obama hasn't even tinkered with as an argument against improving a failing and abusive healthcare system that causes pain and death.

I could go on for hours here, but I will have to stop there for now.

Brilliant post, as usual.

The people who throw around the whole socialist/communist/marxist/facist like they are interchangeable terms are just too dumb for words.

[Sakhmet2]

Does that mean there's gonna be elections again soon?
I read a lot of things actually went pretty bad during the elections in itself.... people that couldn't vote... and such

Somehow I wonder if the LibDems & Labour would be a nicer choice for a hung parliament.... but with Brown.... I don't know....

In Canada a hung parliament means the Conservative party prorogue so they don't have to answer any awkward questions. Then they get their most obnoxious old twat of a MP to publicly tell people to STFU if the don't like government's religious-directed policy.

[Existentialist]

Most of us here love Obama, not surprised this moron doesn't.

You do realize that this year, the majority of weeks his approval rating has been under 50%? And the highest he's been is 53%? Those are borderline Bush 2nd term numbers, not "love" numbers. This Fish character is an idiot, but that doesn't mean Obama is good.

[Merica]

I still think choosing Obama over McCain was the best option.

One thing for certain, though; the American election was FAR more interesting than the dusty old British one.

[Existentialist]

Nah, McCain would have been a lot better. Bush wasn't really a bad president if you ignore the whole trillion dollar mistake thing. The same will be said of Obama in 10 years. Both are reckless spenders and there will be little to show for it.

[Kymra]

Nah, McCain would have been a lot better. Bush wasn't really a bad president if you ignore the whole trillion dollar mistake thing. The same will be said of Obama in 10 years. Both are reckless spenders and there will be little to show for it.

Dude, are you serious? How old are you? Bush wasn't really a bad President? Even my Republican parents say he was the worst in history.
Obama has accomplished more in his first term than either Bush did. He actually wants to accomplish things, not just fulfill some crazy family vendetta by starting an unnecessary war.
I am sure the poll information that you are receiving is from some right-wing source. My local news (which tends to be fairly un-biased) just talked last night about polls that his approval rating is going up.

[Kymra]

You do realize that this year, the majority of weeks his approval rating has been under 50%? And the highest he's been is 53%? Those are borderline Bush 2nd term numbers, not "love" numbers. This Fish character is an idiot, but that doesn't mean Obama is good.

What does that sentence even mean?

[Merica]

Nah, McCain would have been a lot better. Bush wasn't really a bad president if you ignore the whole trillion dollar mistake thing. The same will be said of Obama in 10 years. Both are reckless spenders and there will be little to show for it.

I don't know about that, sir. Granted, I'm not the most well versed person in the world on politics of any kind (let alone US politics), but I watched the debates and Obama made the most sense in my opinion.

[Pokey]

I don't know about that, sir. Granted, I'm not the most well versed person in the world on politics of any kind (let alone US politics), but I watched the debates and Obama made the most sense in my opinion.

I also am not all that well versed, especially in this situation ... but I do know that just because someone looks good and says all the right things in a debate doesn't mean they'll live up to it in their turn in office.

[Merica]

I also am not all that well versed, especially in this situation ... but I do know that just because someone looks good and says all the right things in a debate doesn't mean they'll live up to it in their turn in office.

True, but then I'm hardly going to vote for the one I thought said all the wrongs things, am I?

Gotta hope they follow through. Figuratively speaking, of course...

[Existentialist]

Dude, are you serious? How old are you? Bush wasn't really a bad President? Even my Republican parents say he was the worst in history.
Obama has accomplished more in his first term than either Bush did. He actually wants to accomplish things, not just fulfill some crazy family vendetta by starting an unnecessary war.
I am sure the poll information that you are receiving is from some right-wing source. My local news (which tends to be fairly un-biased) just talked last night about polls that his approval rating is going up.

I am 25. You must have missed the second part of the sentence, which read "except for his trillion dollar mistake." Which was enough to make him an awful president. The health care plan will be Obama's trillion dollar mistake, enough to make him an awful president. He has done absolutely nothing else. Which is why his approval rating, according to Gallup, the most unbiased and standardized polling group available, has his approval rating below 50% for the majority of the year. Go watch your TV news and believe what you want.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: May 7 2010, 4:19 pm

[Existentialist]

What does that sentence even mean?

It means that just because the Fish character is using idiotic arguments to criticize Obama, he isn't wrong that Obama sucks. That's not ambiguous at all, so stop asking such retarded questions.

[Sakhmet2]

It means that just because the Fish character is using idiotic arguments to criticize Obama, he isn't wrong that Obama sucks. That's not ambiguous at all, so stop asking such retarded questions.

You see, this is why we all love you so /sarcasm

[VoodooLady]

Dude, are you serious? How old are you? Bush wasn't really a bad President? Even my Republican parents say he was the worst in history.
Obama has accomplished more in his first term than either Bush did. He actually wants to accomplish things, not just fulfill some crazy family vendetta by starting an unnecessary war.
I am sure the poll information that you are receiving is from some right-wing source. My local news (which tends to be fairly un-biased) just talked last night about polls that his approval rating is going up.

+1 for post..
and +100 for your new profile pic