Just in Time, 5th May 2010, Amsterdam Options

[SecretInsomnia]

OHHHHH.... I'd love to see that.... no honestly...I would.....
I don't mind ex-frontmen singing their 'old bands' songs.... but like someone else said.. not in a 50 - 50 kinda setlist... more a 75 - 25 new to old or something....

I think Ed will go to that 75-25 (75% new songs) in 1 or 2 years. But now, at this moment, he just can't do without playing much Live stuff. Even in Holland he can't, abviously. But I can understand that, his album with the new songs wasnt out or even promoted, so.

[Sakhmet2]

People that think like you don't deserve music, if you only go to concerts to hear the songs you know then .. wow.

Well, then most concertgoers don't deserve music either. It's a truism that the majority of the audience is there to hear songs they know. After all, a lot of people go to concerts who aren't necessarily big fans of a band who've memorized every album track.
Of course, I'm not sure you really think this. I think you're just saying this as way #68 to piss on Nick and give him a hard time.

If TGF plays only obscure Live/Candlebox songs, it will fall flat with the majority of the audience. I'm sure they will pull off I Alone,Cover Me etc.

Lead singers with distinctive vocal styles are hard to replace, so I'm not sure about those particular songs. Van Hagar is a good example of what happen when you go with the first lead singer you can find.



This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: May 7 2010, 7:34 am

[Pokey]

Well, then most concertgoers don't deserve music either. It's a truism that the majority of the audience is there to hear songs they know. After all, a lot of people go to concerts who aren't necessarily big fans of a band who've memorized every album track.
Of course, I'm not sure you really think this. I think you're just saying this as way #68 to piss on Nick and give him a hard time.

Well .. partly to piss him off, and partly to try and get him to open his mind up a bit. His views on music just blow my mind sometimes. I look at it like a fan who may not be die hard. Obviously with Live I know everything they do like the back of my hand, so really whatever they play (unless its brand new) then I will know it. But I go to gigs of bands I wouldn't say I'm a super-fan of ... and I honestly like being surprised, I like to see bands that go beyond the standard set of singles and "best ofs" in their set.
I think it shows a distinct lack of confidence in their other material by an artist if they just stick with the tried and true. If I had just released a brand new album and was playing a gig then the audience would hear every single song on that album because I'd be psyched as hell to play it and hopefully very proud of my latest work. Ed hasn't seemed to have that attitude. I always figured "filler songs" on albums are the ones that get left out in tour, they're the ones the artist obviously doesn't seem to give a damn about cos they're not pushing them. Sometimes people need a bit of a push, they need to be reminded 'hey we're not all about Lightning Crashes you know'.

[mattyeagles]

so you think the norm is that non die-hard fans rather see a band that they dont know any songs of than bands they know a few songs of?

[SecretInsomnia]

I think it shows a distinct lack of confidence in their other material by an artist if they just stick with the tried and true.

although I have to add that in Live's case the last 5 years or so, it had to do with just being lazy and not rehearsing more songs. Just going the easy way. remember how excited and enthousiast Ed posted online that they rehearsed a few hours together again, making a big deal of it?

[Pokey]

so you think the norm is that non die-hard fans rather see a band that they dont know any songs of than bands they know a few songs of?

It took me awhile to process what you meant by that. But all I'm saying is that it's silly to only want to go to a gig if you can be promised to hear all the hits.
For example, I'm going to see Black Rebel Motorcycle Club in July ... I wouldn't say I'm a super fan, but I like what I have heard so far. My knowledge of them is limited, there are 4-5 songs of theirs I really really love, but I'm not going to be put off by the fact that they may not play those songs. They might play songs I don't know and I might really dig them and get into it. Nick seems to act like people need to be assured that they can sing along to all the songs on the night to be able to go and have a good time .. I just think that is an incredibly close minded view and attitude towards music.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

A couple of things:

1. I don't have a problem with either band playing Live songs. They are their songs. I just don't want either band marketed as "performing the songs of LIVE" which is how Ed is being marketed right now. If TGF markets themselves more than "former members of Live and Candlebox" I'll be disappointed.

2. People who go to concerts just to hear songs they know are fine, they are just casual music fans. No more, no less. What is shocking is that someone who helps run a website about a band would feel this way about music. Usually those fans are the most diehard. And no, I never say anything because I want to piss Nick off. I would just love to see him have a more open mind about music. That is all.

3.

Lead singers with distinctive vocal styles are hard to replace, so I'm not sure about those particular songs. Van Hagar is a good example of what happen when you go with the first lead singer you can find.

Van Hager who went on to sell millions more albums? I'm pretty sure that's the worst example you could have picked even if you don't like Van Hagar. What they did was smart because they went AWAY from the David Lee Roth style vocal. It changed the band, but the bands you see fail in a lead singer change are often the ones who try to get a vocalist that sounds just like the old vocalist.

As for Ed's voice being distinct, in the MJ, TC, and SS years it certainly was. Nowadays he just sounds more and more like a pop singer. He's lost a lot of what technically made him unique in his quest to sound more and more like Chris Daughtry.

[sh4rpz]

As for Ed's voice being distinct, in the MJ, TC, and SS years it certainly was. Nowadays he just sounds more and more like a pop singer. He's lost a lot of what technically made him unique in his quest to sound more and more like Chris Daughtry.

100% agree here. I guess that's why I cringed when I heard the above versions of classic LIVE songs. It was wrong.

Emotions aside (which is a tough task, considering how much I love LIVE, like I know you guys do), Ed's band has NOTHING on CT, CG and PD. I respect Adam K for all he is and has been to the LIVE universe for the last 10-12 years, but even with him, that band can smile and hop about as much as they like and jam to as many LIVE classics as they'd like, they'd never do it for me.

Still, that's Ed's thing and he has a right to do it - I just feel like it's tarnishing the greatest material he'll probably ever write, with or without CG, CT and PD.

And lastly, Nick, I respect and admire what you have done for the LIVE community over the years - but I must point out, that to many of us, the sound of Ed, CT, CG and PD pre-2000 was and always will be the LIVE we reference and talk passionately and emotionally about. The LIVE that gave us V, the majority of BOP and the entire of SFBM is just EK and his backing-band.

[Kymra]

Ugh.

More Adult Contemporary from Ed.

He doesn't even look comfortable up on stage. He's just sort of swaying. I can't believe someone who used to make me want to do DIRTY things now pretty much makes me want to vomit.

[Sakhmet2]

3.
Van Hager who went on to sell millions more albums? I'm pretty sure that's the worst example you could have picked even if you don't like Van Hagar. What they did was smart because they went AWAY from the David Lee Roth style vocal. It changed the band, but the bands you see fail in a lead singer change are often the ones who try to get a vocalist that sounds just like the old vocalist.

As for Ed's voice being distinct, in the MJ, TC, and SS years it certainly was. Nowadays he just sounds more and more like a pop singer. He's lost a lot of what technically made him unique in his quest to sound more and more like Chris Daughtry.

But isn't selling millions of albums with a poppy/mainstream sound what some people here despise? Like Nickleback, for example? That's why I picked Van Hagar.

But Daughtry already sounded like Ed Lite.

He doesn't even look comfortable up on stage. He's just sort of swaying. I can't believe someone who used to make me want to do DIRTY things now pretty much makes me want to vomit.

I'd like to sympathize, but the thought of banging Ed has never made *me* comfortable . Now if you're looking for a substitute

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: May 7 2010, 10:33 am

[Pokey]

2. People who go to concerts just to hear songs they know are fine, they are just casual music fans. No more, no less. What is shocking is that someone who helps run a website about a band would feel this way about music. Usually those fans are the most diehard. And no, I never say anything because I want to piss Nick off. I would just love to see him have a more open mind about music. That is all.

Well yeah I agree and disagree at the same time. You do make a good point about a site admin though. Again I would have thought the sort of person who is a fan site admin would be pushing all aspects of the band's music to the less informed. Not just the songs he thinks will benefit the artist more financially. And it's totally not about pissing Nick off, I'd be genuinely happy to see Nick broaden his mind when it comes to music. He's an incredibly frustrating person, I guess because music is something I'm so passionate about and how it should be viewed and such ... normally if someone isn't that into music or whatever then that's fine. I have a few friends and one of my cousins who just don't seem to acknowledge music's existance really. But Nick is a website admin, he can't say there's zero passion.

[Deku]

I can't believe someone who used to make me want to do DIRTY things now pretty much makes me want to vomit.

That's still pretty dirty though...

[crazy1]

Ed needs to stay away from Lakini's Juice!!! It's not the same without Chad and Ruby Lou!! Hopefully TGF will play that song in concert!!




Ed & his band + Lakini's Juice = lame

[Pokey]

Ed needs to stay away from Lakini's Juice!!! It's not the same without Chad and Ruby Lou!! Hopefully TGF will play that song in concert!!
Ed & his band + Lakini's Juice = lame

lol or W, D ... I can see the drummers little toy kit breaking if he tried it.

[Existentialist]

Haha, as much as I love bashing Ed, the new "band" probably deserves it just as much. What a bunch of cocksucking wannabes. I guess if I were a local band loser from Dallas, I would be happy about playing with a fucked up, washed up and fagged up former rock star.