10 Questions with Chad Taylor, Facebook Options

[Pokey]

I look at the break up of one of my favorite bands The Smiths in a similar way to this ... they formed in 83, split in 87 when Marr left the group. A few years after that Joyce and Rourke claimed they only learned that what they thought was them getting an even 25% of the smiths royalties (split 4 ways) was actually 10% each with Morrissey and Marr getting 40% each. This apparently went on for 5 years and they didn't notice for another 3 after that ... the smiths were huge, Morrissey and Marr earned big bucks, you'd think Joyce and Rourke would notice through even something as simple as life style habits that maybe they wern't earning quite as much. But that's exactly what happend.
These sort of things are not uncommon in the music industry, The Smiths is just one story in hundreds or thousands, Live is no different. It's hard for some people to believe and accept .. maybe because they want it so bad not to be true, or they can't see how friends of 20+yrs could do that to each other .. bottom line is, it can happen. Those are probably questions CT asked himself.

I guess things can go unnoticed, I think if Ed went to the trouble to do what he did, he'd also have gone to the trouble to keep it from the rest of them ... I doubt he would have done it if he believed he'd just have been discovered the very next day.

[OutToDry]

Good and valid points Pokey. This is not uncommon. 2005 was when Radioactive was all but kaput and when their record contract was up. SFBM was on the Sony label, when bands have to switch to new contracts, there are always segways for shenangians to happen.

http://www.radioactive.com/publishing.html Loco De Amor was for Live and only Live.

there is no mention of Black Coffee. You can't even find it on the interweb.

[Merica]

I don't think it's a hoax, at all, because it's all fucking stupid and has done nobody any good at all. They've gained NO attention from this, at all. Nobody gives a shit about any of them right now - or any "squabbles" between them.

So, it's real, or a terribly backwards "plan" for attention that's failed in the most epic of ways.

This post has been edited by Merica: Mar 9 2021, 3:34 am

[+Ed+]

Fuck, the first word I have never heard...

What is a HOAX?

[Pokey]

Also, if it were a hoax, dont you think both parties would be out talking about it in interviews and getting the word out about it? Ed refuses to even acknowledge it and CT is communicating through blogs and facebook to people who would have already friended him before Live even broke up. If this was all for publicity they'd be shouting it from the rooftops and making a big deal about it through any type of media they could. Instead its all been really contained.

[OutToDry]

It's contained as it should be. Between attorneys and with an attempt for it to be quiet. Most of these band legal things are not usually in the public eye or are they considered a press gather, perhaps unless it' s aband like U2, or the Stones.

[Bremang]

read this and tell me it's a hoax with a straight face. I would expect for anything to continue in the future, some sort of healing or reconcilation would have to take place. Meanwhile, in the present, let's anticipate what the TGF will give us and enjoy it.

Yeah, that is a questionable blog post to me.

I started out calling this a hoax, but I don't want to hang on that word now. I'm going to just suggest the reasons for the breakup are "very questionable". I've gone through all of your rebuttals and systematically made an argument against them.

Meanwhile, you have hardly made specific references to the points I've made. It seems that you are persistent in saying that the breakup is not questionable at all, and its completely true without a shadow of a doubt.

In the end we agree, let's anticipate what TGF will give us and enjoy it.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Mar 9 2010, 7:55 pm

[Bremang]

Given the information we have, yes, this or he managed somehow to change the terms of the old contract without them knowing. It won't ever make sense without all of the information, which we won't ever have.

Given the nature of the recording business all I can add is that none of this is far-fetched in the slightest. That is how it is out there.

I just don't know. Maybe its true maybe its not. I have some faith in Chad and the rest of Live and all their management, as they've been so agile on the business side of things for so long.

I'd also say the music business has this reputation largely because they take advantage of naive artists.

[Bremang]

I guess things can go unnoticed, I think if Ed went to the trouble to do what he did, he'd also have gone to the trouble to keep it from the rest of them ... I doubt he would have done it if he believed he'd just have been discovered the very next day.

On that note, I can see why that would be another reason Ed would not want to sign a secret contract.

Ed made the contract in 2005, before SFBM. If anyone found out about the contract, he would be putting his whole entire tour at risk. I imagine he stands to make more money on a grand scale tour than the money he would make off his catalog in the years he got away with a secret contract. If anything, why risk all the money he would make by having a tour canceled. I just don't think he would have risked it. Especially with his label contracts almost coming to a close, and all the other opportunities that would come being off a label: Paradiso, Radiant Sea.

[Bremang]

I don't think it's a hoax, at all, because it's all fucking retarded and has done nobody any good at all. They've gained NO attention from this, at all. Nobody gives a shit about any of them right now - or any "squabbles" between them.

So, it's real, or a terribly backwards "plan" for attention that's failed in the most epic of ways.

I'm not sure you really have anything to back this up.

[Bremang]

Also, if it were a hoax, dont you think both parties would be out talking about it in interviews and getting the word out about it? Ed refuses to even acknowledge it and CT is communicating through blogs and facebook to people who would have already friended him before Live even broke up. If this was all for publicity they'd be shouting it from the rooftops and making a big deal about it through any type of media they could. Instead its all been really contained.

Well, it could be true that promotion has nothing to do with the reasons given for the breakup.

It could just be that the real reasons for the breakup wouldn't go over well with the fans. If Ed wanted to tone down his live shows because he is mellowing out as a performer, this would not be a good reason to declare to the fans because Ed probably still wants to keep his alternative rock image for a particular fanbase.

I would have to disagree that the breakup has been really contained. You can see Chad talking about it in an interview right here. Ed has acknowledged that the bands statements are completely untrue. You don't need to be friends with the band on facebook to follow their facebook page. Its on facebook, twitter, google, myspace, official websites, many music blogs. I'd say they're using outlets. What other media do you expect, TV? Radio? They might be on the radio soon when their album release dates are available.

They were already on hiatus, and the fans had accepted Ed and the band going in separate directions. If not for promotion, then you might wonder- what was the point then of all the public announcements?

[OutToDry]

As Goldmember once said, "then there is no pleasing you"

[Bremang]

I think Black Coffee Publishing Inc is a secret contract.

Every Live record has in the liner notes with the exception (of the online mp3 record 'Radiant Sea')

Loco De Amor Music Inc is listed on all liner notes as the music publising company of record. (even the cd singles)

Nothing is mentioned of BCP anywhere in print on any record.

Makes me think that the secret contract is true.

Good and valid points Pokey. This is not uncommon. 2005 was when Radioactive was all but kaput and when their record contract was up. SFBM was on the Sony label, when bands have to switch to new contracts, there are always segways for shenangians to happen.

http://www.radioactive.com/publishing.html Loco De Amor was for Live and only Live.

there is no mention of Black Coffee. You can't even find it on the interweb.

Black Coffee is not a secret contract. Black Coffee Inc. is a publishing company. It was created in 1990. The idea of Black Coffee has been alive in some form while the band was Public Affection and the boys were merely teenagers.

I'm not too sure what you mean by interweb...
But sites like Wikipedia and Linkedin (Chad Taylor's Linkedin page) both have some pretty obvious mentions of Black Coffee.

Chad has a profile listed on Linkedin.com (which he probably pays monthly dues for and keeps current). It says that he is currently Vice Presedent of Black Coffee Inc, and that it has been in existence from 1990 to the present. Wikipedia mentions how Public Affection had a Black Coffee mailing list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_(band)

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chad-taylor/3/b8b/161

The secret contract would have been written for Ed to join a majority ruling in control over a certain aspect of the company.

There are many questions here:

Who the hell are the other people in the company and why would the band be in a company where they can be outnumbered by non-band members if only one band member digresses from the other 3?

What do the other people in the company have to gain from getting Ed's signature, and how much does Ed actually gain by joining a majority? What was good for Ed was good for the majority, so the goods would be split at least 4 ways.

There are at least 7 people in the company as is it would have to be for Chad Chad and Pat to be outnumbered. This means that three other people conspired against the band. At least 3 other people in the company that the band may have trusted had also betrayed Chad, Chad and Pat. Who, how and why? Does this make sense to happen?

Ed is supposedly the only signature on a contract. How does that determine majority? Do the 3 other people sign separate contracts or what? Sounds strange to not have all signatures on the same document.

If Ed signed a contract, and Chad and the band have not even spoken to him about it, then how can they be so positive about all the circumstances regarding Ed's signature? They are assuming that Ed meant the worst. They have stated that Ed was not available for comment on this.

Nor was Ed available when the band was asked by the band's management to give Ed a $100,000 singers bonus. Is a $100,000 even a realistic number for a lead singer at a festival with multiple bands? Who knows if Ed really even requested this if nobody spoke with Ed about it?? This would be on top of Ed's regular cut I'm sure. If the band is making money anywhere near these figures, than what is the big deal over money issues? Who knows?

This post has been edited by Bremang: Mar 9 2010, 9:49 pm

[Bremang]

As Goldmember once said, "then there is no pleasing you"

Well, I just felt like bringing up some points about the breakup there, hadn't really divulged my feelings to ya, i'm fine with it though.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Mar 9 2010, 10:06 pm

[OutToDry]

I'm not too sure what you mean by interweb...
But sites like Wikipedia and Linkedin (Chad Taylor's Linkedin page) both have some pretty obvious mentions of Black Coffee.

Chad has a profile listed on Linkedin.com (which he probably pays monthly dues for and keeps current). It says that he is currently Vice Presedent of Black Coffee Inc, and that it has been in existence from 1990 to the present. Wikipedia mentions how Public Affection had a Black Coffee mailing list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_(band)

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chad-taylor/3/b8b/161

The secret contract would have been written for Ed to join a majority ruling in control over a certain aspect of the company.

I know it's a publishing company Bremag. Those are the only 2 places it's listed. And 'Linked In' may not count...there are no dues to keep on that....it's simply a free business directory search page for contacts. Anyone can put anything in that website. Wikipedia only mentions what Chad stated.

Have you found any other thing regarding it? Why do all of the records cite Loco De Amor Music Inc/Audible Sun Music Inc? This to me is the publishing company of record. I could be way off here, but I don't think so.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Mar 10 2010, 12:59 pm