Ed Kowalczyk's new band lineup Options

[thefunkyredcaboose]

That is it caboose. I heard many a story from good sources.

About this situation specifically, or just in general?

[OutToDry]

About this situation specifically, or just in general?

Other situations. I know nothing of this situation other than what was offered by Chad and the rest of the guys. But what was said has a lot of simlilar stories to other bands who fracture.

[Senghe]

Adam seems a bit bitter to the actions of The Gracious Few. Check out some of his twitter comments and you can see what I mean. Maybe there is more to the story than TGF are letting on.

Oh yes, there is ALWAYS more than one side to any story. Which is why I won't take any of the TGF member's past bellyaching and bitching on face value as objective truth.

[Senghe]

Care to write them here? His Adam & the Weight page is no longer avail it seems.

Hence this may be another festering wound I believe....when Ed & the guys added Adam so Ed could 'focus' on singing........I accepted it at the time as a nice gesture.

If I remember correctly, it was Chad Taylor who was very keen for Adam to join, so carry on accepting it as a nice gesture and possiby Adam actually being a great musician with a lot to add to Live's onstage performances.

Can I also point out that most of the stuff about secret recording contracts and lead singer bonuses is hearsay with absolutely no concrete evidence to show so far, so until found otherwise should be treated as bullshit instead of being embroidered on. Honestly, a few of you on here are like a bunch of little girls hanging on every word Perez Hilton blogs. Grow up.

[Pokey]

Can I also point out that most of the stuff about secret recording contracts and lead singer bonuses is hearsay with absolutely no concrete evidence to show so far, so until found otherwise should be treated as bullshit instead of being embroidered on. Honestly, a few of you on here are like a bunch of little girls hanging on every word Perez Hilton blogs. Grow up.

I defintely think theres more to the story than what CT posted, to take one person's word as gospel is foolish. However I find it hard to believe he would come out and just post outright lies without them being based on something. Internally through mutual friends, legally or whatever, he'd be opening himself to a whole world of hurt by saying things which were 100% untrue (which is what Ed said they were, but wouldnt elaborate further). So it leads me to believe that the truth is somewhere in what CT said, so I wouldn't go as far to say its all bullshit.

[Senghe]

Pokey, when things are written by a person who feels they are the wounded party in a situation, they will inevitably skew it to their side of the story. I'm not saying anybody has blatantly lied, but the little that was written will be the truth as that side of the situation see it. It may be a whole world away from what has actually happened without anybody lying. But some of the little that has been said has been taken and ran out of the state, never mind the ball park by comments on here at times.

I'll believe it when we see it on official papers or court, not from pissing and moaning on the internet.

[OutToDry]

The letter to FOL stating the reasons (which seem to me pretty big reasons) and the real lack of reply from Ed is pretty damning. I think we've seen an alienation from Ed and the rest for quite some time. I think the split was inevitable. That being said. I accepted Adam as being in the band. He did add to the stage shows quite a bit. My more than a nice gesture comment relates to the band accepting him in anbd contributing, they could have said no. They were all friends and i didn't think there was much debate over it.

[Pokey]

Like I said, I don't think its the total truth because like you say one would tend to skew it to their side, but I believe somewhere within that is the truth.
Ed to me has just turned into a something laughable, and its so easy to take the piss out of him .. that's regardless of whether TGF had opened their mouth about any of this at all. If some of his music is good, then I'll listen to it and like it for sure. But while he's still acting as da EK, then he better put on his flak jacket.
Seeing CT and CG bag Ed totally sucks in some ways .. in another way I find it funny, in some ways I find it comforting because it reaffirms to me that for the past few years of Live's existance when I was wondering what the hell happend to the band I loved, at least 3 members of the band were asking the exact same thing.

Natural instinct tells me that if there were a black and white, right and wrong side to this, then I'd be leaning towards the view that TGF hold, as Ed hasn't really offered anything to the contrary. I know if I were him I'd certainly not want to get into an internet shit slinging match, but if untrue acusations were being made then I would damn sure want to stick up for myself and not have my name tarnished. Nick brought up the point that maybe there are legal reasons for him not saying anything ... possible. But if what TGF are saying is 100% not true as he stated, then I don't see how legally him telling what apparently is the truth to be, would be a bad thing for him? Whichever party is more in the wrong would be the ones you'd think getting the legal advice to shut the hell up.

[zmanpga]

Adam K. is one of the most "likeable" guys out there and anyone who has ever met him knows this...he is a true gentleman and is down to earth as it gets....nothing but the best for him!

[OutToDry]

Adam K. is one of the most "likeable" guys out there and anyone who has ever met him knows this...he is a true gentleman and is down to earth as it gets....nothing but the best for him!

I never met him zman other than a hello after a show, but he certainly does come across that way to me.

[Pokey]

completely agreed with that. When I've met Adam K he's come across as a genuinely really down to earth and great guy.

[LivesMeltdown]

Really, why should Ed have to defend himself on the internet? I think most people have made up their minds one way or the other. Nothing he says is going to change the minds of many people. I would say most would just call him a liar anyways. This whole situation has become childish. Between TGF "liking" every FB message that bashes Ed or Ed's lol's...it's getting kinda ridiculous.

I also don't think the Chad's bashing of the last few Live's albums reaffirms anything. It's pretty obvious reading the Live message boards that the consensus is the last few albums disappointed and Ed has "taken over" the band. Well, if you are mad at Ed and know all this stuff (since most blame Ed solely) what exactly would you say? It's all Ed's fault and we had nothing to do with it. Ed ruined our creativity. Blah blah blah. The truth is that in life we all have choices to make. Chad, Chad, and Pat don't seem like the people just to sit there with their mouths closed and say "Ed, please don't leave us...you can do whatever you want...just don't break up Live." Does that really seem logical? And for them to do that for 10 years, something just doesn't seem right with that situation. If that is the case, they have no one to blame but themselves. That was their choice. Maybe the other guys got lazy and Ed was creating the music to keep Live together. Who knows? Now Ed wanted to go solo and the other guys pretty much got angry and got their motivation again. I'm not saying that happened, but what do we really know about the last decade behind the scenes. All we know is what has been said about the breakup, obviously while emotions are still pretty high.

I don't know what happened, I really don't care. I wish Ed, Chad, Chad, Pat, and Adam the best in everything in the future. They have given me some of the greatest memories of my life and for that I am grateful to ALL OF THEM. I will buy all their albums, go see them in concert, and buy probably buy some merchandise from TGF and Ed (well maybe not Ed's pendant). I hope time really heals all wounds and they reconcile. Not to bring back Live, but to bring back their friendship. That is the most important thing!!

I'm looking forward to finally hearing some new music and going to concerts to see the guys from Live with their new projects. Keep rocking

This post has been edited by LivesMeltdown: Feb 28 2010, 10:15 am

[Pokey]

Ed doesn't have to defend himself .. I said that if I were in Ed's position that I would. If someone were saying things that were factually untrue about me then I would want to respond. I'm not saying Ed's silence total incriminates him, but it doesn't do any favours. If he were to actually mount a response to it then my automatic reaction wouldnt be to say its a lie, its entirely dependant upon what his response was.

As for CT, CG and PD, I always figured that they were probably unhappy with the last few efforts that the band but stuck together because of the friendship and supporting Ed. Maybe they thought he would come round and want to write as a group again .. who knows. I guess when Ed called it quits it gave them the kick in the ass the band needed. The whole drama of the secret contracts and what not seemed to come after that. When Live first announced the break it was called a hiatus and it seemed sure it was down to creative differences and Live would be back at some point. But later is when CT began saying stuff like he couldnt imagine being in the same room as Ed anymore. I'm guessing something happend in that time which lead to the discovery of the whole mess ... I doubt they knew about it whilst they were still working with Ed at any point.

Either way, I don't really care ... its not gonna effect my opinion on the music they bring out, I have my excitement and reservations about both projects and will judge them on musical merit alone.

To everyone though that dislikes Ed bashing ... keep in mind that a lot of us were still saying pretty unfavorable things about his music and performance long before the break started. We aren't letting TGF use their amazing mind control power to sway us in any way. In some ways the break up has kept me here a little longer. If Live had not broken up and they release another album together and it was balls, then I'd pretty much be totally done.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

It can be said over and over again that we only got one side of the story, etc. etc. The fact of the matter is that bad business dealings like this take place all the time in the music industry. While there may be more to the story, if it is all there is then it wouldn't be shocking in the slightest.

We may never know the outcome of the litigation that is surely taking place, but the way that goes would tell well enough what happened.

You guys seem to forget that Ed did respond. He said something to the effect of "None of it is true LOL." What a response!

[LivesMeltdown]

We may never know the outcome of the litigation that is surely taking place, but the way that goes would tell well enough what happened.

Well, we can always hope that the case is on Court TV.