New TGF samples Options

[Pokey]

The lyrics to Believe v1.0 just didn't sound like they were written for the music, it was awkward and didn't flow. I can totally see both Ed and CT having completely different ideas for the song ... I'm sure that if Live continued on and we saw Believe on an album that CT would have been credited with the music, something that's not happend in a long time ... I guess he finally got the passion back and wanted to push it hard (hence it surviving to TGF sessions) and Ed squashed it. Although that's pure speculation, just a theory.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Feb 25 2010, 9:31 am

[OutToDry]

The shackles of staleness are no longer there........We may all be giddy when we witness the shows and experience the record.

Anyone catch Kevin Martin practicing on the harmonica?? (facebook)........it was there for a glimmer, then poof.

[boxhead]

Please tell me where TGF said they would be sounding like Live???? I think this band's purpose is to rock out, incorporate many classic elements into something new and fresh. I hear that. I am not going to bash those who don't like it.

Those who are under 25 years old, you're from another generation where music is not pure and basic and raw, it's manufactured, overproduced and cheap. I can understand your point of view on why it doesn't resonate. We didn't get Jimmy Page & Robert Plant in the States after the mini 07 reunion..........they were done and gone by the time I was old enough to really hear them & get it on the radio.

Kevin, Chad, Sean, Pat & Chad, bring me some Out on the Tiles, Four Sticks...... and some new generation Robert Johnson / John Lee Hooker rip at your soul riffs !!!!

Thank you. These people whining that they can't hear the "Live" sound are driving me crazy. Last I checked, Live wasn't recording music right now. I hear sounds from a lot of different bands fused into some kickass sounding songs.

[FishOutaWater]

I listened to Believe on youtube again and compared it to Believe 2.0. I understand that Kevin wrote the lyrics for the new version and Ed wrote the lyrics for Believe. The difference is striking. The new version compared to the old version is like listening to the work of a trained professional verses an amateur. The new version is so much more creative.

I am not an Ed hater. But I am finally getting the guts to start telling it like I honestly see it. For some reason, up until recently, I have kept my criticisms to myself, as if it would be some sort of sacrilege or heresy to say anything negative about Live or Ed.

The difference between those two versions really highlights somthing that has been bothering me for years. Ed's melody in Believe sounds a little like River Town at the begining, and then the lyrics start to go into that "believe", "my friend", "point of no return" stuff that has been appearing in so many recent songs. Ed's music and lyrics have really become rehashed copies of the same themes and melodies over and over again. Maybe he has been like that for a really long time. There is so much -- water, fish, river, "oh lord, child", "ooh ooohs", dreams and now laterly it is "Zion" and "take my hand" and "make it through" and "believe". It's like he is stuck in a creative hole and he can't get out. And what's more, it seems that musically and instrumentally, he can't seem to be able to make a leap from where he is into some really original-sounding music, like everything before the V album. What happened to the 17 year old Ed who had so much more creativity? I can't even imagine Ed writing a song like White Discussion or Rattlesnake or Negation at this time. We just got to hear Mall Rat and Photograph and I am sure that I am not the only one who said to himself "Holy sh*t, where did the magic those 4 guys had go?!?!" I listened to Death of a Dictionary the other night and I was so blown away by what those guys did. There is such a great version of Good Pain on there and it is cool to see how they improved and evolved the sound when it made it onto Four Songs and MJ. The song Libra is epic. That song stays in your head for a long time. That was an Ed Kowalczyk who was practically just a child! It almost seems like Ed himself is frustrated and trying very hard to dig up some new creativity and he is overcompensating with over the top self-promotion and he comes across like he is trying too hard. It is coming across to me as sort of wierd. This is a guy that I practically worshiped as an enlighted inspiration and now I frequently cringe.

This has bothered me for a while. Then when you add on top of that the bizaar behavior, and unanswered questions about Live, I just don't know how to deal with it. I want to love Ed for the first 4 Live albums he helped create. I just can't get over it. I'll buy his albums and see his shows. I can't quit Ed. But I feel like I can't be the same huge fan of his until he starts acting cool and laid back and normal and starts demonstrating some creative range. I'm stuck somewhere in the middle.

[OutToDry]

Perhaps too much esctasy Fish. Very insightful post. I've experienced the wane of Live's strength first hand at shows.......the records post TDTH, and hearing too much AC format into Live's songs.

When you sell your soul to the mainstream, you get sapped like a rotting fish

Here's to the TGF!!! Let's keep talking TGF here.

[SJN1279]

The lyrics to Believe v1.0 just didn't sound like they were written for the music, it was awkward and didn't flow. I can totally see both Ed and CT having completely different ideas for the song ... I'm sure that if Live continued on and we saw Believe on an album that CT would have been credited with the music, something that's not happend in a long time ... I guess he finally got the passion back and wanted to push it hard (hence it surviving to TGF sessions) and Ed squashed it. Although that's pure speculation, just a theory.

Chad Taylor was credited on Purifier just last year.

As for Kevin Martin having creative lyrics, I can't tell. All I hear is screeching.....

[OutToDry]

how did I come up with lyrics to the last clip, they aren't that bad.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

It all sounds a bit like Candlebox when they go louder, a song like Arrow for example.

But man I'm loving Believe v2.0 ... it is such a kick ass riff and I'm glad CT did something with it. Just can't help but wonder what Ed cira 1997 backed by this sort of music would sound like.

Much of it actually sounds more like the Hiwatts, Kevin's side project, but there are some really nice rhythmic twists in there that Live, Candlebox and the Hiwatts never had. There are some distinctly Live elements in there too, especially the syncopated drum beats.

Vocally, you can even tell Kevin is trying to do different things that he hasn't done before. Obviously he can't change his voice, but his approach seems different on several tracks here. Its hard to ask much more than that from a vocalist. Also keep in mind that he wasn't the sole melody or lyric writer on the album.

The sound of the record, as in the overall production, is different than either band. Its a nice raw rock sound with a modern twist. I am really liking that especially in the guitars. I do have to say I'm not crazy about the bass and drum sounds thus far, but since these aren't mixed yet that doesn't really mean much!

EDIT: This whole thing isn't a reply to the one post!

This post has been edited by thefunkyredcaboose: Feb 25 2010, 4:42 pm

[TheBeacon]

I cant tell you where they said they would sound like Live nor did I say they did. All Ive said is after listening to the samples I dont hear any Live related sounds that Ive grown up with the past 15 years. I am warming up to the samples. As I said in my post earlier I like some of the guitar parts but its hard getting used to the voice. Never was crazy about Candlebox music alot because of the voice of Kevin Martin. Just saying as of now my opinion is that Im still not digging the voice yet. Just my opinion. btw....Im not in the under 25 generation. People on hear get too emotional when someone voices thier opionion. Deal with it. You can agree or disagree, thats what makes this board fun along with the fact we all have one thing in common and thats we are or were at one time big Live fans. I still am even if they are not recording. No need to call people crazy and make smart ass comments. People just need to learn how to voice thier opinion without bashing others. Just my 2 cents again!

This post has been edited by TheBeacon: Feb 25 2010, 5:08 pm

[crazy1]

I had to start already....

Can you stitch it up?
Scars are the wounds that cut....
Are we so broken and bruied that we can't feel the love?
We can't feel The Love.
The love started with you, me, an a degree
and everything made it seem
like you and me are supposed to be
and the envy of most everything.

I like what I hear so far. Especially the song above...Can't wait until the cd comes out!

[Existentialist]

If Live had kept songs like Vine Street, Don't Wait, Change, etc on TDTH, and released an album like this to follow it up, they'd probably still be very relevant in rock today. Way to go, Ed, you fucker.

[FishOutaWater]

One thing that these clips did to me was motivate me to purchase the TGF T-shirt. I can't wait to get it. I guess I might be one of very few people walking around this planet wearing a TGF T-shirt for a while.

The thing that I keep thinking about is that the sound is so unique and authentic, that this album may really turn on some rock music aficionados at real rock radio stations. There isn't very much rock n roll out there like this right now. I could definitely see Piere Robert on WMMR in Philadelphia getting turned on to this, interviewing them, promoting them. This could turn into a performance on Letterman, and then who knows what. It could go either way. It might not make a splash. But it could get big. That would be cool.

About the vocals - this thing still needs to be mixed and produced. Half the vocalists out there can't even be heard in public without auto tune. The vocals might sound different on the album. But I like that they sounds crazy and diverse.

I don't know anything about Kevin Martin, but based on his blog entries and some youtube video interviews, he sounds like a mad man. He seems like the kind of guy who shows up at your dinner party and takes a leak in the punch bowl, vomits on the dinner table, gropes your wife and then leaves with your wallet and a bottle of your finest whiskey to go to a strip club. I kind of like that in my rock front men.

[SJN1279]

If Live had kept songs like Vine Street, Don't Wait, Change, etc on TDTH, and released an album like this to follow it up, they'd probably still be very relevant in rock today. Way to go, Ed, you fucker.

The Gracious Few's sound would not have picked up in 2001. It definitely has a early 80's hair band vibe. The early 2000's were Linkin Park, Limp Biscuit heavy.

[OutToDry]

I cant tell you where they said they would sound like Live nor did I say they did. All Ive said is after listening to the samples I dont hear any Live related sounds that Ive grown up with the past 15 years. I am warming up to the samples. As I said in my post earlier I like some of the guitar parts but its hard getting used to the voice. Never was crazy about Candlebox music alot because of the voice of Kevin Martin. Just saying as of now my opinion is that Im still not digging the voice yet. Just my opinion. btw....Im not in the under 25 generation. People on hear get too emotional when someone voices thier opionion. Deal with it. You can agree or disagree, thats what makes this board fun along with the fact we all have one thing in common and thats we are or were at one time big Live fans. I still am even if they are not recording. No need to call people crazy and make smart ass comments. People just need to learn how to voice thier opinion without bashing others. Just my 2 cents again!

We're human & emotional. .....We can agree to disagree. My comments aren't really smart assed. Music industry has ruined many good things. When the artists start taking the bull by the horns and do it their way.......this is when we see genius I can respect that you're not warmed up to this idea of TGF. I care not to hear Live sound in this band.........when Live returns, we'll hear it.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Feb 25 2010, 9:47 pm

[Wambangalang]

everytime i hear the last clip i hear bono...is it just me?

also, is it sample 3 that people are labeling believe 2.0? coz i cant tell. it is the best of the lot imo