WOW... Ed actually IS selling coffee Options

[PillarOfDavidson]

Damn... I was certain people were being facetious about that shit. I'm poking around his website... and BAM, there the shit is staring me in the face:







TGF





This post has been edited by pho3nixtar: Dec 19 2009, 4:01 am

[jaybb]

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This post has been edited by jaybb: Dec 19 2009, 2:49 pm

[OutToDry]

Hey, Ed can sell stuff. He's taking a page from Gene Simmons. If he really wants to make a lot of cash he'll need to get more products and varieties. Perhaps the coffee is a test
marketing of this concept. We know the pendant is surely phase 2 in the EK brand crush

Not sure he's going to have the same type of success

[thefunkyredcaboose]

The coffee doesn't bother me nearly as much as the hundred dollar pendant.

Although the coffee with his kids on it is really creepy.

[Pokey]

"Ahhh, to be a kid again!!! The wonder, the joy, the seemingly infinite energy of children is pretty amazing. And there you have the inspiration behind the Eddie's Coffee "Wild Child" Blend! This superior whole bean coffee is a mix of organic and fair trade Mexican and Ethiopian beans. I drink it every morning and it is super delicious! Grind it up and head for the playground, I'll meet you there. lol Enjoy, Eddie K"


creepy....

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[Sakhmet2]

Hey, Ed can sell stuff. He's taking a page from Gene Simmons. If he really wants to make a lot of cash he'll need to get more products and varieties. Perhaps the coffee is a test
marketing of this concept. We know the pendant is surely phase 2 in the EK brand crush

Not sure he's going to have the same type of success

Yeah, Gene for sure, but is it his own stuff or a sub-category of KISS merchandise? And KISS does sell coffee -- and jalapeno ketchup?!
http://www.kisscoffeehouse.com/coffee.htm#coffees
and Paul McCartney sells coffee - in a way. He signed with Starbucks' label. (Doesn't get any coffee-er than that IMO)

I think people are just making asses of themselves complaining about Ed selling stuff - although the prices he's charging are another matter entirely - because Live sold merchandise. Every freaking band and artist with a website sells merchandise off their official website.
Check out the massive U2 store at u2.com, or Rage Against the Machine at ratm.com and see. Or basically google the name of any band or artist and the word "merchandise". The difference is that for most of other artists the merchandise is stuff like tshirts, hats, posters. (Rage Against the Machine sells holiday ornaments, though. I did not expect *that*)

The problem I have is Ed's prices.

[Senghe]

The problem I have is Ed's prices.

Especially when TGF charged us nothing for the sour grapes both Chads have shared with us.

I know... terrible aren't I. Let's hope they tread it into wine.

This post has been edited by Senghe: Dec 19 2009, 1:36 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I think people are just making asses of themselves complaining about Ed selling stuff - although the prices he's charging are another matter entirely - because Live sold merchandise. Every freaking band and artist with a website sells merchandise off their official website.
Check out the massive U2 store at u2.com, or Rage Against the Machine at ratm.com and see. Or basically google the name of any band or artist and the word "merchandise". The difference is that for most of other artists the merchandise is stuff like tshirts, hats, posters. (Rage Against the Machine sells holiday ornaments, though. I did not expect *that*)

The problem I have is Ed's prices.

It is true that musicians make a lot of their money from merchandise. It isn't the merchandise, it is the kind of merchandise he is selling. Music, shirts, etc., great! Coffee and pendants is just moving into a whole other realm of selling out.

Maybe I've always misunderstood Ed's lyrics, but what is frustrating to me is that he used to write lyrics that were counter-cultural and often anti-materialistic. That is a message I always related to, but it seems he'd become the guy he used to sing against. I can deal with the religion thing, but his "Christianity" seems to have more to do with selling shit than anything else.

[Senghe]

Maybe I've always misunderstood Ed's lyrics, but what is frustrating to me is that he used to write lyrics that were counter-cultural and often anti-materialistic. That is a message I always related to, but it seems he'd become the guy he used to sing against. I can deal with the religion thing, but his "Christianity" seems to have more to do with selling shit than anything else.

I doubt you did, not at the beginning anyway. But people change and often turn into the person they most hated or dreaded becoming. if he's a good dad, his daughters will be the centre of his universe now and providing for them will be more important than his former beliefs either spiritual or political.

But the preachy aspect of his Christianity thing does stick in the craw somewhat, I agree.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I doubt you did, not at the beginning anyway. But people change and often turn into the person they most hated or dreaded becoming. if he's a good dad, his daughters will be the centre of his universe now and providing for them will be more important than his former beliefs either spiritual or political.

So it is okay for someone to dismiss their previously held values just because they have kids? Sorry, I just don't buy it.

Obviously people change, but Ed's lyrics were never just the teenage angst of the grunge era. I always thought they had a lot to say about religion and society that wasn't just about "being young and angry."

I've not always agreed with his stances on those issues, mind you, but it can't be denied that the current Ed just seems shallow in comparison. The coffee and pendants are a reflection of that.

[Senghe]

So it is okay for someone to dismiss their previously held values just because they have kids? Sorry, I just don't buy it.

Obviously people change, but Ed's lyrics were never just the teenage angst of the grunge era. I always thought they had a lot to say about religion and society that wasn't just about "being young and angry."

I've not always agreed with his stances on those issues, mind you, but it can't be denied that the current Ed just seems shallow in comparison. The coffee and pendants are a reflection of that.

But it's not just happened, it's been a slow slide for the last 3 albums/10 years. At least for me. I do know where you're coming from as I've found it increasingly more difficult to connect with Live's new songs. The new, improved Eddie K's Zion just makes me go meh. Live, musically, became more of a mild treading on the toes than a punch in the heart. But hey ho, that's life. I didn't mean to suggest Live's early stuff was navel gazing Nirvanaesque angst (sorry to the Cobain fans). You're right, it had more layers to it and intelligence than that. But the angry Ed full of questions and opnions seemed to have found what he was looking for (you only have to listen to Heaven) and slipped into feeling content with his lot in life. Or disappeared up his own ego. Or a bit of both. I don't think he woke up one morning after the birth of his first daughter and thought "Fuck all that stuff I've been singing about for the last 10 years, I'm a dad now and what matters is making moolah". As you experience life more, it kind of shapes bits of you into someone your younger you wouldn't recognise.

And it doesn't matter if it's okay or not, it's happened and you're just going to have to face the fact that someone you once had faith in has fell off his pedestal.

This post has been edited by Senghe: Dec 19 2009, 3:28 pm

[OutToDry]

Good discussion above, good points there!!

To me, he's become what I am speaking of in the other thread. To paraphrase here:

Crazy Eddie is the name of a consumer electronics retailer conducting business through the internet and by telephone. The venture is the most recent to be doing business under the Crazy Eddie name, with the most well known (and later infamous) being a chain of retail stores that operated throughout New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Connecticut for nearly twenty years

Crazy Eddie was started in 1971 in Brooklyn, New York by businessmen Eddie and Sam M. Antar as ERS Electronics, named after Eddie, his cousin Ronnie (Ronnie Gindi, a partner), and his father Sam. The chain rose to prominence throughout the Tri-State Region as much for its prices as for its memorable radio and television commercials, featuring a frenetic, "crazy" character played by radio DJ Jerry Carroll (who copied most of his shtick from early TV-commercial pioneer, used car and electronics salesman Earl "Madman" Muntz). At its peak, Crazy Eddie had 43 stores in the chain, and earned more than $300 million in sales.[1]

In February 1987, the U.S. Attorney for the District of New Jersey commenced a federal grand jury investigation into the warranty billing practices of Crazy Eddie. In September of that year, the United States Securities and Exchange Commission initiated an investigation into alleged violations of federal securities laws by certain Crazy Eddie officers and employees. Eddie Antar was eventually charged with a series of crimes.

Unable to sustain his fraudulent business practices, co-founder Eddie Antar cashed in millions of dollars worth of stock and resigned from the company in December 1986. Crazy Eddie's board of directors lost control of the company in November 1987 after a proxy battle with a group led by Elias Zinn and Victor Palmieri, known as the Oppenheimer-Palmieri Group. The entire Antar family was immediately removed from the business. The new owners quickly discovered the true extent of the Antar family's fraud, but were unable to turn around Crazy Eddie's quickly declining fortunes. In 1989, the company declared bankruptcy and was liquidated.

Antar fled to Israel in February 1990, but was returned to the United States in January 1993 to stand trial. His 1993 conviction on fraud charges was overturned, but he eventually pleaded guilty in 1996. In 1997, Antar was sentenced to eight years in prison and paid large fines. He was released from prison in 1999.[2]

An essential part of Crazy Eddie's success was its advertising campaign. In 1972, WPIX-FM late-night disc jockey Jerry "Dr. Jerry" Carroll ended a live commercial with the now-famous slogan, "Crazy Eddie, his prices are IN-SA-A-A-A-A-ANE!" Antar called in and told Carroll to say the line the same way every time.[3]

[Sakhmet2]

Good discussion above, good points there!!

To me, he's become what I am speaking of in the other thread. To paraphrase here:

Which other thread? This just seems like a random story you picked because the guy has the same name as Ed, did something illegal and you want to make some kind of parallel.

And on the subject of kids: it's not just about money for your kids, it's about protecting them.
It kind of disturbs that Ed lives in Ojai, although I wasn't too thrilled about the Hollywood house either, because of why he moved there. It was a reaction to 9/11: "take my kids and go into the country because ain't no terrorists gonna find us there". In other words, it smacked of survivalism. Maybe I'm out to lunch on this connection, but I always associate stuff like survivalism with fundamentalism and some other undesirable -isms.

Whatever was going on at the end of the 90s that was leading Ed to Christianity, really got a big boost from 9/11 IMO.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Dec 19 2009, 5:05 pm

[OutToDry]

Which other thread? This just seems like a random story you picked because the guy has the same name as Ed, did something illegal and you want to make some kind of parallel.

And on the subject of kids: it's not just about money for your kids, it's about protecting them.
It kind of disturbs that Ed lives in Ojai, although I wasn't too thrilled about the Hollywood house either, because of why he moved there. It was a reaction to 9/11: "take my kids and go into the country because ain't no terrorists gonna find us there". In other words, it smacked of survivalism. Maybe I'm out to lunch on this connection, but I always associate stuff like survivalism with fundamentalism and some other undesirable -isms.

Whatever was going on at the end of the 90s that was leading Ed to Christianity, really got a big boost from 9/11 IMO.

I'd it to poke fun (the ed's its weird thead). Those who remember this guy will laugh at my attempt to be funny, It wasn't meant for the Canadian folks to understand eh?

[Sakhmet2]

I'd it to poke fun (the ed's its weird thead). Those who remember this guy will laugh at my attempt to be funny, It wasn't meant for the Canadian folks to understand eh?

We Canuckistanis know of him too. We get tv amerikanski and besides, he was parodied on every comedy skit show when I was growing up.

And more on the subject of kids: this urge is not just about money for your kids, it's about protecting them. People will literally kill for their kids, so a bit of sell-out isn't much in a lot of people's minds. There was a story in the paper a few years ago about a woman who defrauded welfare for thousands of dollars which she used to send her kid to ballet school. Most of her co-workers thought she had done nothing wrong -- and probably wouldn't have changed their opinions if it had been the company they worked for instead of the government (which is you and me, you dumb fuckers at her workplace!). Now obviously I don't know if she betrayed what were supposed to be her own code of ethics when she did this, but she obviously thought she had to this.
I have no clue what Ed is thinking, but I suppose he thinks it's perfectly okay.

It is true that musicians make a lot of their money from merchandise. It isn't the merchandise, it is the kind of merchandise he is selling. Music, shirts, etc., great! Coffee and pendants is just moving into a whole other realm of selling out.

Does it matter what they sell? And really, what have hats and shirts got to do with music? The Stones sell baby clothes, pet gear and lingerie. How does a dog collar relate to the music? As a personal choice, I'd rather have the chance to drink my KISS coffee from my Bruce Springsteen coffee mug than another freakin' hat.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Dec 19 2009, 5:24 pm