Live 2005-2009, the beginning of the end, what exactly happened? Options

[OutToDry]

You seem to thrive on twisting people's words to fit your own agenda. I never said that this happened to U2. I never said *anything* happened to U2. What I said was that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

He's taking issue with what you replied to my post topic.



If this happened to U2, we'd hear about it and they'd be non existant today.

[Sakhmet2]

My own agenda? You make it sound like I'm trying to take over the world..
I know you didn't bring U2 into this, it was beau that brought it up ... but I was commenting on your 'you don't know what goes on behind the scenes' bit, which is true only to a certain point.

I should have said "line of reasoning" or "argument"

If this happened to U2, we'd hear about it and they'd be non existant today.

And I repeat
I NEVER SAID THAT THIS HAPPENED TO U2. This or *anything else specifically*. I'm saying we don't what goes on behind the scenes *with any band* that doesn't get out to the public via an unbiased source.
An unbiased source = someone outside the band and their inner circle

I wouldnt brag about the lawyer thing...te he!

Oh believe me! I'm not bragging. It's made me cynical and bitter and untrusting.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Dec 6 2009, 1:57 pm

[Sonic Tonic]

As much as I hate and despise U2 ... the issue here doesn't seem to be purely about Ed's ego, but about Ed doing underhanded things that hurt the others financially to money they were entitled too and also lots of lies and deciet. Bono has probably the biggest ego in the entire world and really needs to fuck right off. But as far as we know, he's just an arrogant ass and hasn't actually done anything underhanded to hurt his friends. Or maybe I'm wrong, i don't follow U2's history all that much..

plus Ed pushing his musical vision against what the others wanted. That's not how a band works. Don't know if that's what happened in U2 cause I don't care for them, but if it is then the other guys are there just to cash in without any creative thoughts of their own.

And if this beau person thinks they should suck it up and let ED take control (which they have done far too long) then well you just have no idea what being in a band is.

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This post has been edited by Sonic Tonic: Dec 6 2009, 4:33 pm

[Pokey]

And if this beau person thinks they should suck it up and let ED take control (which they have done far too long) then well you just have no idea what being in a band is.

Or even what standing up for yourself is and not letting yourself be taken advantage of or walked all over.

[Senghe]

Indeed, this is not about just someones ego. It is about not being able to trust someone within your business. Someone that legally bound the GROUP to a contract and cost the other 3 members financially.

So when you say "suck it up" Would you suck it up if someone took lets say 100 bucks out of your wallet. I am sure you would be pissed. Would you "Suck it up"
Now lets say that a person took 1000 from you. Still want to "suck it up" ok what about hundreds of thousand or millions?
All Chad did was hold ED accountable for his actions and ensure that all the members of the band are treated equally.

I personally didn't say suck it up. If what Chad says is correct and he has the proof that Ed screwed the rest of the band over and ostensibly stole money, he should definitely see him in court. If for no other reason than to be being able to draw a line under it and feel vindicated.

[sh4rpz]

hmm... do you guys think that all this stuff (Chad discovering the 'secret' contract etc) has come in the wake of Gary Kurfirst's passing? Was he still involved in LIVE's management up until recently?

Just a thought.

[jayda]

I'm sure there is more to it. Legally I can't see how Ed was able to screw the other band members over unless they gave permission for him to call the shots which would be with a Power of Attorney in Australia - surely there is something like that in the US. And how can it take 4 years to find out you've been screwed over anyway?

[Sakhmet2]

Legally I can't see how Ed was able to screw the other band members over unless they gave permission for him to call the shots which would be with a Power of Attorney in Australia

My question exactly.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Dec 7 2009, 8:26 pm

[The Thrill]

My question exactly.

Ummmm. When you say "legally, I cant see how Ed screwed them" No crap. Thats why he screwed them ILLEGALLY......

Legally you cant steal someones identitiy, but illegally you can.
Legally you cant cash a check written out to someone...but illegally you can.
Legally you cant sign a contract for a company when it requires 4 signatures and a majority vote, however illegally you can.

He willfully, knowingly and purposefully did just that. He knew it would result in added funds for him.

Obviously there is always more details to ever story, however those details will come out in the legal arena. Chad felt the fans deserved an explanation, instead of having people making up rumors on forums and message boards.

Would people rather he lied to everyone and say "everything is great, we are just doing some side projects and collaborations" just to appease you?

I know in any situtation, I would want the truth. As they say, sometimes the truth can hurt.

In this case it did. I can assure everyone, there isnt a fan alive that has been more hurt than CT. CG & PD. They were indead blind sided by this and it was never expected from someone that was their best friend and someone they trusted their life with.
All that happened to the fans was that a band you really liked stopped making music together.
And from what I read, most of you hated the last few albums anyway, so why would you want them to continue to put out stuff you wont like.

I can tell you this, with TGF, each member has an equal say in the creativity of the music. All 5 musicians and each one has contributed a huge amount. You are going to get an album that has the collective efforts of 5 very accomplished musicians. The fully understand what type of music real rock fans want and they are delivering.

[zmanpga]

alot of new peeps popping up

[Sakhmet2]

Ummmm. When you say "legally, I cant see how Ed screwed them" No crap. Thats why he screwed them ILLEGALLY......

That's not what jayda meant at all. (BTW you quote me, but you're replying to jayda). I'm not even going to try to explain why the sentences following that one do not constitute any form of rebuttal to anything she or I said.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Dec 7 2009, 8:52 pm

[OutToDry]

hmm... do you guys think that all this stuff (Chad discovering the 'secret' contract etc) has come in the wake of Gary Kurfirst's passing? Was he still involved in LIVE's management up until recently?

Just a thought.

Yes, I'd say that is a definite possibility. Whoever is the next in line managing their legal business probably found it for them and contacted the rest of them.



Kinda like, "hmm what's this.....No signatures of the other 3? Whoa, I better let them know asap? Chad mentioned once they found out they tried to get it rectified with Ed and his attorney to no avail. I can see why all the friction on stage since this past winter.





This post has been edited by OutToDry: Dec 7 2009, 9:06 pm

[The Thrill]

Yes, I'd say that is a definite possibility. Whoever is the next in line managing their legal business probably found it for them and contacted the rest of them.



Kinda like, "hmm what's this.....No signatures of the other 3? Whoa, I better let them know asap? Chad mentioned once they found out they tried to get it rectified with Ed and his attorney to no avail. I can see why all the friction on stage since this past winter.

I'd say this could be a possibility!

[jayda]

I'm not a new peep - been reading for a couple of years but just posting now. Joined awhile back. Wanna put my 2cents worth in as well

Actually, I loved their last two albums

Look, I'm speaking from an Australian perspective. I imagine that Live the band is a business entity - I can't imagine that they are operating from any other angle such as with Ed having the ability to do what he supposedly did. If so, that is just a plain dumb and ignorant of the 3 others whether they are best buds from school/brothers or whatever. So, as a business, unless the other three have given Ed permission to make legal decisions on their behalf, I can't see how he supposedly did this.

I'm not taking sides, I'm pretty pissed off with all of them to tell you the truth. Ed's been shitting me for a while with his declarations of (false) love for his fans...gag worthy. And I don't like how CT with CG and Pat's blessing disclosed this info.

This post has been edited by jayda: Dec 7 2009, 9:32 pm

[OutToDry]

The music industry congers up some dark stuff.....plenty of precedents out there to draw on.

If someone was with-holding pay from you that you rightfully were entitiled to and you discover monies were redirected dis-proportionally to someone else's account how would you feel? If the rumor mill was running rampant with dis-information and you wanted to set the record straight and had nothing to hide, why not tell your friends and family the truth?