Live 2005-2009, the beginning of the end, what exactly happened? Options

[beau99]

Personally I think Chad, Chad and Pat should just suck it up.

U2 have been friends since high school too and have had more spats than most people think and have nearly broken up many times, Bono's massive ego being just one of the reasons.

But they're still friends and are still making great music and playing fucking excellent live shows. I can attest to it as I saw them in October.

If U2 can survive Bono's ego, Live can survive Ed's.

Is it is right now; Chad, Chad and Pat are being assholes and I could care less about TGF until they and Ed can make amends.

[Pokey]

Personally I think Chad, Chad and Pat should just suck it up.

U2 have been friends since high school too and have had more spats than most people think and have nearly broken up many times, Bono's massive ego being just one of the reasons.

But they're still friends and are still making great music and playing fucking excellent live shows. I can attest to it as I saw them in October.

If U2 can survive Bono's ego, Live can survive Ed's.

Is it is right now; Chad, Chad and Pat are being assholes and I could care less about TGF until they and Ed can make amends.

As much as I hate and despise U2 ... the issue here doesn't seem to be purely about Ed's ego, but about Ed doing underhanded things that hurt the others financially to money they were entitled too and also lots of lies and deciet. Bono has probably the biggest ego in the entire world and really needs to fuck right off. But as far as we know, he's just an arrogant ass and hasn't actually done anything underhanded to hurt his friends. Or maybe I'm wrong, i don't follow U2's history all that much..

[Senghe]

Personally I think Chad, Chad and Pat should just suck it up.

U2 have been friends since high school too and have had more spats than most people think and have nearly broken up many times, Bono's massive ego being just one of the reasons.

But they're still friends and are still making great music and playing fucking excellent live shows. I can attest to it as I saw them in October.

If U2 can survive Bono's ego, Live can survive Ed's.

Is it is right now; Chad, Chad and Pat are being assholes and I could care less about TGF until they and Ed can make amends.

But U2 have fucking sucked since they nearly broke up the first time then came back to make The Joshua Tree.

Just my opinion.

I get the impression that The Edge, Adam Clayton and Lary Mullen Jr have pretty resilient egos too so they have strong enough characters to rein Bono in. Plus Bono's saving grace is he knows he's an asshole with an ego the size of a solar system - I'm not sure Ed does.

This post has been edited by Senghe: Dec 6 2009, 7:41 am

[The Thrill]

But U2 have fucking sucked since they nearly broke up the first time then came back to make The Joshua Tree.

Just my opinion.

I get the impression that The Edge, Adam Clayton and Lary Mullen Jr have pretty resilient egos too so they have strong enough characters to rein Bono in. Plus Bono's saving grace is he knows he's an asshole with an ego the size of a solar system - I'm not sure Ed does.

Indeed, this is not about just someones ego. It is about not being able to trust someone within your business. Someone that legally bound the GROUP to a contract and cost the other 3 members financially.

So when you say "suck it up" Would you suck it up if someone took lets say 100 bucks out of your wallet. I am sure you would be pissed. Would you "Suck it up"
Now lets say that a person took 1000 from you. Still want to "suck it up" ok what about hundreds of thousand or millions?
All Chad did was hold ED accountable for his actions and ensure that all the members of the band are treated equally.

[OutToDry]

Personally I think Chad, Chad and Pat should just suck it up.

U2 have been friends since high school too and have had more spats than most people think and have nearly broken up many times, Bono's massive ego being just one of the reasons.

But they're still friends and are still making great music and playing fucking excellent live shows. I can attest to it as I saw them in October.

If U2 can survive Bono's ego, Live can survive Ed's.

Is it is right now; Chad, Chad and Pat are being assholes and I could care less about TGF until they and Ed can make amends.

I highly doubt Bono, signed a secret publishing deal behind the other 3 members backs. If he did and Adam, Larry and Edge found out about it, it would be huge news and they'd be finished too unless it was recified.

[Sakhmet2]

I highly doubt Bono, signed a secret publishing deal behind the other 3 members backs. If he did and Adam, Larry and Edge found out about it, it would be huge news and they'd be finished too unless it was recified.

But you don't know this. In fact, most of the time we really know nothing about what goes in behind the scenes in any band.

[OutToDry]

True, I don't but I think with the 100x more popularity of U2, that would grounds for U2 not to exist anymore.

attesting to "If he did...."

[Pokey]

But you don't know this. In fact, most of the time we really know nothing about what goes in behind the scenes in any band.

so basically we should assume all bands screw each other over financially with secret publishing deals until we hear otherwise?

[Sakhmet2]

so basically we should assume all bands screw each other over financially with secret publishing deals until we hear otherwise?

Don't twist my words. I said that in most cases we know nothing about what really goes on, not even what really happened in this case. We usually only find out when things go to litigation and court documents get out.

And band members screw each other over all the time. Why? Because they're human and there are always leeches around who will try to split them up by telling one or two members that they are better than the others and luring them to sign deals. Deals that will benefit the leech even more than the band member. Look at some of the stuff that went on with the Beatles and the Doors.

So let me repeat: a band is like a marriage. No one knows what the relationship really was, except the people in the relationship. *All* of them.

[Pokey]

So you're saying that a band like U2 could have had the exact same thing happen to them that has happend to live where Bono signed a secret publishing deal screwing the rest of the band out of lots of money, and they could potentially just put it behind them, keep it totally secret from everybody and never have the info leak out, and then continue on as a cohesive unit making more albums for years?

I really doubt it... What happend to Live is what destroys bands, it's done it to many bands before them. U2 have probably had major clashes with each other, creative differences (or lack thereof in their case), personality clashes etc.. but if something like Bono screwing over the rest of the band were to happen it would be found out and it would finish them. Hell I'm sure Live have had fights all through their career ... Ed says he always wished they played Face and Ghost more on tour ... maybe they had spats over setlists, creative recording processes ... whatever ... I'm sure they've had those fights and like you said they worked it out and moved on.
This is totally different to ego's and the like.

[Sakhmet2]

So you're saying that a band like U2 could have had the exact same thing happen to them that has happend to live where Bono signed a secret publishing deal screwing the rest of the band out of lots of money, and they could potentially just put it behind them, keep it totally secret from everybody and never have the info leak out, and then continue on as a cohesive unit making more albums for years?

You seem to thrive on twisting people's words to fit your own agenda. I never said that this happened to U2. I never said *anything* happened to U2. What I said was that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

[The Thrill]

You seem to thrive on twisting people's words to fit your own agenda. I never said that this happened to U2. I never said *anything* happened to U2. What I said was that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

In this case you do know what went on behind the scenes....Chad told everyone and he told the truth. That is why you will not see further explanation from Ed. He has no other defense.

Maybe he can say he is not guilty for reasons of insanity. You have to be insane in order to screw over the 3 friends that came up to you in middle school, invited you into THEIR band and made something great!

[Sakhmet2]

In this case you do know what went on behind the scenes....Chad told everyone and he told the truth. That is why you will not see further explanation from Ed. He has no other defense.

We know one side of the story - as I know at least half a dozen other people have pointed out. I come from a family of lawyers and I don't believe anything said by or about anyone anytime anywhere until I see original documents.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Dec 6 2009, 12:27 pm

[dgreen1]

We know one side of the story - as I know at least half a dozen other people have pointed out. I come from a family of lawyers and I don't believe anything said by or about anyone anytime anywhere until I see original documents.

I wouldnt brag about the lawyer thing...te he!

I think he made his point as did everyone else who are dissapointed that ed didnt say more and i think gracey and patrick would have sided with the truthful person. afterall if chad taylor was the wrong person couldnt ed, gracey and patrick replace a guitar player and still have the same sound as live with no real noticeable difference?
but all three are together and its just doubtful that the three of them would make something up about ed.
it sure points that ed is guilty, guilty, guilty.

[Pokey]

You seem to thrive on twisting people's words to fit your own agenda. I never said that this happened to U2. I never said *anything* happened to U2. What I said was that we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

My own agenda? You make it sound like I'm trying to take over the world..
All I'm saying is you can't compared fights a band like U2 might have with what's happend with Live. Of course we'll never know about what sort of things go on behind the scenes with bands in most cases .. I agree with you there ... but thats smaller things, disagreements etc... When it comes to something as major or as significant as something like this, with bands on the scale of U2 and the like then you can bet your ass it will be uncovered. Remember before Chad said anything, Jon P came on here and spilled the beans ... you dont think something like that would happen with other bands when things of this magnitude happen? I know you didn't bring U2 into this, it was beau that brought it up ... but I was commenting on your 'you don't know what goes on behind the scenes' bit, which is true only to a certain point.