New song from Ed (and Karsh Kale) Options

[Pokey]

no, it was a RT from "loriwoehler".

Cool that he's a member here though

Hello Janine

[thefunkyredcaboose]

no, it was a RT from "loriwoehler".

Cool that he's a member here though

Could just be a coincidence, either way its funny!

[LiveRoCkS77]

100% agree with Nick here.

I would never be caught listening to Garth Brooks or Lady Gaga or any number of artists, because they don't turn my crank, and...in my opinion, they are garbage. But I'd sooner listen to them than declare that it's a FACT that they're untalented. Music (see: art) is not black or white. It's not off or on. It's not 0 or 1. I LOVE Underworld, The Mars Volta, Portishead, Hawksley Workman, and many others. However....some would say that it's a FACT these bands SUCK!!!!111one

Grow a pair and step outside for a moment.

Don't make me laugh, the art of music may not be black or white, true. But it's not difficult to point out pieces of work that lack talent and integrity.

I don't give a flying fuck what you people think, this music sucks ass from every artistic standpoint conceiveable. It's not subjective, sorry.

You want to talk about growing a pair, I suggest you step right up pal.

[LiveRoCkS77]

Fact: The preceding rant was made up of opinions.

Music is subjective. You hate it, that's cool. Some people don't, no big deal. I realize these are internet forums and its totally hip to be abrasive but still, if people like the song they like the song. No amount of ranting could possibly change that.

WRONG, sorry. In some aspects as far as likes and dislikes go, it may be. But when it comes to useless crap like this? Sorry buddy, argue all fucking day til you're blue in the face, you're wrong.

[Sonic Tonic]

What I still can't figure out is why people who haven't liked anything Live has done since 1998 are here on this board in the year 2009 complaining about Ed's solo work not being what *they* want it to be. I have to imagine you have something else to do with your lives, right? If you hate the band and the lead singer this much, why are you even here? And why does it infuriate you so much that someone else might like the new music? Is it some kind of weird insecurity thing?

Do you just go on the net to agree with everything/anything/anyone and never debate anything? I would imagine your have something else to do with you life.

This post has been edited by Sonic Tonic: Jul 31 2009, 12:01 am

[LiveRoCkS77]

we never heard early versions of Sun and Forever on youtube either-- who knows.. if we had.. we might be saying the same thing.. and we dont know what THIS song will sound like after work in the studio

i cant believe i'm even posting again about this song.. i dont care for it. or atleast the youtube version EK posted-- and i can tell you what i dont like about it..

BUT what many have spewed here is infact OPINION.. all entirely subjective. i think its totally fine and cool to say you like or dont like the song for whatever reason.. but this pseudo intellectual BS about what MAKES good music is a load of crap. there is no objective TEST for music.. beauty is in the eye (ears) of the beholder..

would it just be easier if we all unzipped and laid it out on the table? maybe we can then move on?

Sorry, I can't agree with that whatsoever. Peoples taste...likes, dislikes, may be subjective.

I know a few musicians who've been playing for a long time. Musicians with an appreciation for all kinds of music. Musicians who can admit that some of the catchy music they have guilty pleasures for is absolute technical fucking garbage.

Again, argue it all you want. A basic fucking requisition for good music is that it takes some talent on some level. Meaning not simpleton bullshit that can be played and arranged on a childs yamaha keyboard. Not lyrics that sound as if they are written by a 9 year old learning to write poetry.

You gonna tell me that a teacher grading literature is being subjective in his grading?? LMFROFLMAO!!!!!!!! Bad fucking writing is just that, there's nothing subjective about it. Intelligent people can recognise good writng while their being subjected to it. Just as those same people can tell when something was written by someone bordering retardation. Nothing subjective about it.

Same goes for music. Simple songs with simple prgressions on guitar and drums can be catchy...people can like them....but in the realm of good music? They have no fucking place. I can name you several pieces of work and several artists who I despise, yet can recognize that their music is technically sound, well structured and takes a lot of talent to create and play. I just don't like it. Still good music that the average musician would have no hope of ever creating.

You people arguing this subjective bullshit seriously make me laugh. Talking about beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that nonsense? Hilarious, wow.

This post has been edited by LiveRoCkS77: Jul 31 2009, 12:12 am

[Pokey]

Same goes for music. Simple songs with simple prgressions on guitar and drums can be catchy...people can like them....but in the realm of good music? They have no fucking place. I can name you several pieces of work and several artists who I despise, yet can recognize that their music is technically sound, well structured and takes a lot of talent to create and play. I just don't like it. Still good music that the average musician would have no hope of ever creating.

What the bigger problem/tragedy is, is when people have talent and they are creative and it seems they either run dry or just are not putting in the effort. People capable of amazing compilations/lyrics just put their talents to waste.

[swami]

"Peoples taste...likes, dislikes, may be subjective."

"Don't make me laugh, the art of music may not be black or white, true."

"In some aspects as far as likes and dislikes go, it may be."

"You people arguing this subjective bullshit seriously make me laugh. Talking about beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that nonsense? Hilarious, wow."

...I don't think you know what side of this debate you're on. Did you think any of this through before you wrote it?

This post has been edited by swami: Jul 31 2009, 1:39 am

[Merica]

I agree with LiveRocks in that I don't think the song took much talent to compose, but the fact that it has been released to YouTube makes me think it's just an experiment and/or favour. He's just messing with techniques or other such stuff - importantly - he doesn't hold this song in the higest regard, otherwise, he'd have held onto it for his album?

People are talking about how this song isn't marketable and it's not going to sell well etc, which I kind of agree with. But that's not Ed's goal, I don't think, his goal is just to excercise his new found freedom and make his own record (he hasn't cared for big sales popularity in years?). BUT, saying that, I'm sure he still wants to sell enough to cover his costs at the LEAST - so he'd hold onto his best work for the album, surely?

So it's a bit of guff from a musical standpoint maybe, lyrically I don't mind it, it's interesting to listen to (the delivery helps), but as explained I don't think it's a major piece from Ed, due to the way he released it. So you can take or leave this, in my opinion.

[+Ed+]

OK, now I get why people kept on whining when the author of Jesus Christ Pose released an album with Justin Timberlake and Timbaland. Boogoga.

[Pokey]

I agree with LiveRocks in that I don't think the song took much talent to compose, but the fact that it has been released to YouTube makes me think it's just an experiment and/or favour.

Exactgly, with the rate Ed has been flogging shit off (bootlegs with the same setlist, coffee even), the fact he put this up for free leads me to believe it's not exactly the torch song of his new solo career.

[Senghe]

Exactgly, with the rate Ed has been flogging shit off (bootlegs with the same setlist, coffee even), the fact he put this up for free leads me to believe it's not exactly the torch song of his new solo career.

He's been selling coffee?

As in fresh ground and vacuum packed for your convenience or is he a barista in his spare time?

[flyersfan62379]

Ed's vocals are very cool. The techno is a bit weird and the song a bit too long. But I like it...

Would love to hear the vocals with just an acoustic guitar.....

Kowalczyk or Live could stamp their name on a piece of shit and you'd rave about it.

[flyersfan62379]

My prediction is this time next year, Nick is talking up Ed's newest "song" to himself.

[Infrequent Poster]

WRONG, sorry. In some aspects as far as likes and dislikes go, it may be. But when it comes to useless crap like this? Sorry buddy, argue all fucking day til you're blue in the face, you're wrong.

Repetition always makes for a sterling replacement to logic. Reasons be damned, you're right and so long as you keep talking it's got to be true!

Everything you've stated has been an opinion. Random citings of imaginary musicians does not equate to fact. You don't like the song. That's great. I'm not a big fan either. You think its musical crap. Wonderful, glad for you. However, just because you think that doesn't make it anymore true to anyone else then what I think about the song. Music is subjective. There is no real technical basis for how you can judge pop songs other then each individual deciding what they think sucks and what they think doesn't suck.

You're setting arbitrary standards for comparison. You're "bad music" is not someone else's bad music. The "realm of good music" is not an ironclad standard everyone follows (beyond of course simple things like staying in meter and not playing bum notes everywhere). I'm going to randomly say the "realm of good music" is set by Chopin. By extension everything not written to his level complexity for any instrument is crap. Sorry, Springsteen, you don't make the cut!

An absurd example, yes, but it is how you are approaching this argument. You've set arbitrary standards and claimed them as objective facts.