New song from Ed (and Karsh Kale) Options

[SJN1279]

Right, and because those people like it, doesn't make it good neither. It's trash. Not because I think so, but because it's boring and uncreative. It takes NO MUSICAL TALENT to make sewer shit like that. It is FACT that it's bad music for that reason. Same goes for most pop music nowadays. It's lyrically uninspired and the music itself can be made my a ten year old on a yamaha beat maker.

The lyrics are most all the same and again, could be written by a child in elementary school. You want to like that music?? Good for you. But FACT is, on an artistic scale, it's fucking garbage. Argue it all you want buddy, you're just flat out wrong.

Everything you said in your above post is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But just because you capitalize FACT, doesn't make it anymore the case.

[Merica]

To be fair, though the lyrics might be simple to come up with, I like them moreso than a lot of SFBM stuff because, at first listen at least, they're slightly more obscure and artsy like.

[swami]

Everything you said in your above post is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But just because you capitalize FACT, doesn't make it anymore the case.

100% agree with Nick here.

I would never be caught listening to Garth Brooks or Lady Gaga or any number of artists, because they don't turn my crank, and...in my opinion, they are garbage. But I'd sooner listen to them than declare that it's a FACT that they're untalented. Music (see: art) is not black or white. It's not off or on. It's not 0 or 1. I LOVE Underworld, The Mars Volta, Portishead, Hawksley Workman, and many others. However....some would say that it's a FACT these bands SUCK!!!!111one

Grow a pair and step outside for a moment.

[swami]

Also, Prince released an album a few months back called LOtUSFLOW3R.

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[thefunkyredcaboose]

Objective reasons that this song is subpar:

1. You can find music of similar quality in the demo databases of many modern keyboards.
2. The song is very repetitive and nearly 5 minutes.
3. Ed has used many of these lyrical themes before, and the chorus of "rise up" is far from original.

Oh and Swami, anyone that says The Mars Volta "sucks" knows absolutely nothing about playing music. Not saying everyone has to like them, though.

[swami]

Oh and Swami, anyone that says The Mars Volta "sucks" knows absolutely nothing about playing music.

Trudat.

This post has been edited by swami: Jul 30 2009, 4:04 pm

[Infrequent Poster]

Right, and because those people like it, doesn't make it good neither. It's trash. Not because I think so, but because it's boring and uncreative. It takes NO MUSICAL TALENT to make sewer shit like that. It is FACT that it's bad music for that reason. Same goes for most pop music nowadays. It's lyrically uninspired and the music itself can be made my a ten year old on a yamaha beat maker.

The lyrics are most all the same and again, could be written by a child in elementary school. You want to like that music?? Good for you. But FACT is, on an artistic scale, it's fucking garbage. Argue it all you want buddy, you're just flat out wrong.

Fact: The preceding rant was made up of opinions.

Music is subjective. You hate it, that's cool. Some people don't, no big deal. I realize these are internet forums and its totally hip to be abrasive but still, if people like the song they like the song. No amount of ranting could possibly change that.

[Sonic Tonic]

Objective reasons that this song is subpar:

1. You can find music of similar quality in the demo databases of many modern keyboards.
2. The song is very repetitive and nearly 5 minutes.
3. Ed has used many of these lyrical themes before, and the chorus of "rise up" is far from original.

Here are FACTS Nick, and not just because I capitalized the word fact.

[SJN1279]

Objective reasons that this song is subpar:

1. You can find music of similar quality in the demo databases of many modern keyboards.
2. The song is very repetitive and nearly 5 minutes.
3. Ed has used many of these lyrical themes before, and the chorus of "rise up" is far from original.

Oh and Swami, anyone that says The Mars Volta "sucks" knows absolutely nothing about playing music. Not saying everyone has to like them, though.

I still think your reasons are still subjective.

Karsh Kale has a large following and people tend to like his work. Just because it is not your style of music, doesn't mean it isn't quality.

Ghost, Lightning Crashes, Pillar of Davidson are also very repetitive songs and all over 5 minutes in length. Without LC, Eddie K or Live probably would not have lasted until now.

I personally think the "Rise Up" chorus is very insprining and will be awesome in concert. Plus, the song is more original than most of Live's entire work.

[swami]

I personally think the "Rise Up" chorus is very insprining and will be awesome in concert.

Again, I have to agree.

"Rise Up!" as a theme is just fine. Would people prefer Ed to team up with Insane Clown Posse for a glorious chorus of "Fuck love!!!!! FUCK LOVE!!!"?

This song is beautiful.....musically simple, to some degree, sure...but beautiful.

RISE UP!

This post has been edited by swami: Jul 30 2009, 4:47 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I still think your reasons are still subjective.

Karsh Kale has a large following and people tend to like his work. Just because it is not your style of music, doesn't mean it isn't quality.

Ghost, Lightning Crashes, Pillar of Davidson are also very repetitive songs and all over 5 minutes in length. Without LC, Eddie K or Live probably would not have lasted until now.

I personally think the "Rise Up" chorus is very insprining and will be awesome in concert. Plus, the song is more original than most of Live's entire work.

Problems with your argument:

1. I actually listen to a lot of techno-esque music. Like rock, it is possible to distinguish quality from crap. I can see where someone who doesn't listen to a lot of similar music would think this is original, but it simply isn't.

2. Ghost, Lightning Crashes, and Pillar of Davidson have dynamics, lots of dynamics. Sure the chord progressions (especially in LC) are repetitive but the song form isn't at all. Are you seriously comparing this song to Ghost? Seriously??

3. If you really think this is more original than most of Live's entire work then you have absolutely lost all credibility.

[Distance to Me]

3. If you really think this is more original than most of Live's entire work then you have absolutely lost all credibility.

No, it's not a completely new kind of music, but it is fairly different from Live (other than the sort of Eastern flavor). Does that make it a good song? No, I don't like it very much. But it does excite me that Ed is trying new things musically (if not lyrically). His lyrics are kind of in a rut, anyway, Purifier was acceptable (before Zion was in every single song), but that's it.

My AP language teacher would kill me for using so many parenthesis...

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Not seeing the great originality leap from the rest of Live's catalog here, Sun (loop remix) and Forever May Not Be Long enough both had similar elements and were much better executed.

Live's sound (especially the first two albums) in the realm of rock was pretty damn original, and they have also put out some really unique songs in their heyday. Saying this song is more original than most of Live's music just because it is a middle eastern dance beat is absolutely absurd.

[Existentialist]

Not seeing the great originality leap from the rest of Live's catalog here, Sun (loop remix) and Forever May Not Be Long enough both had similar elements and were much better executed.

Live's sound (especially the first two albums) in the realm of rock was pretty damn original, and they have also put out some really unique songs in their heyday. Saying this song is more original than most of Live's music just because it is a middle eastern dance beat is absolutely absurd.

Agreed.

[VoodooLady]

Not seeing the great originality leap from the rest of Live's catalog here, Sun (loop remix) and Forever May Not Be Long enough both had similar elements and were much better executed.

we never heard early versions of Sun and Forever on youtube either-- who knows.. if we had.. we might be saying the same thing.. and we dont know what THIS song will sound like after work in the studio

i cant believe i'm even posting again about this song.. i dont care for it. or atleast the youtube version EK posted-- and i can tell you what i dont like about it..

BUT what many have spewed here is infact OPINION.. all entirely subjective. i think its totally fine and cool to say you like or dont like the song for whatever reason.. but this pseudo intellectual BS about what MAKES good music is a load of crap. there is no objective TEST for music.. beauty is in the eye (ears) of the beholder..

would it just be easier if we all unzipped and laid it out on the table? maybe we can then move on?