The End of Live, (at least for the forseeable future) Options

[flyersfan62379]

Denial rules this site, it's unreal.

[Infrequent Poster]

Denial rules this site, it's unreal.

A small hand full of people disagreeing with you does not constitute a ruling of the site, yeesh. Regardless, I'm not sure what you expected from a Live fan site.

Sunday will be a bittersweet night, for sure. While I do hope they get back together with renewed energy and enthusiasm for the music I have plenty of memories to last me a life time if they do not. Plus I'm totally digging what I'm hearing from Chad's new group.

[LiveRoCkS77]

You do realize that is subjective
I disagree, the later 3 pale in comparison to the first 4, but V and BOP had some instrumental intricacies. Most of Live's albums feature simple chord progressions, however some of their biggest songs feature simple 2-chord and 3-chord progressions. From a rythm guitar perspective, one could learn and play most songs on Throwing Copper much easier than songs on V. SFBM did fall significantly in arrangement. Many songs didn't have a bridge [or the used the same basic verse-riff as the bridge with high pitched "climatic" vocals] and the lyric was just blah!! I do like Sofia though, I think the song is unique lyrically in it's inspiration from Gnosticism.
Again, it is opinion. V and BOP weren't just thrown together like SFBM was. You may not have liked the direction they went with those albums [I too believe it was negative direction than the previous 4 albums] but plenty of work went into the arrangement and development of those albums.
Music talent is a moot point from a technical perspective. It's more about that connection. I could care less how awesome PJ's guitar solo's are if the music itself doesn't grab me. Live grabbed me, and I assume grabbed many people here. There are a lot of technical bands out there, System of a Down comes to mind. While I personally like System of a Down I could see many Live fans not liking the more aggressive style of rock. They don't have that connection even though I'd wager to say from an instrument perspective System of a Down has more talented musicians.

Live has a great catalog. It's not about popularity and record sales. Most here can probably listen to Mental Jewelry on up to Distance to Here without skipping a song and love every minute of it [I personally do not like Stage and that would be the one song I skip]. When you can do that with 4 straight albums, that makes an impressive catalog.

I disagree with just about every single thing you said and every single point you made. I'll get into some of it a little later, just can't be bothered right now.

Wasn't surprised after all that nonsense that you singled out STAGE as the one song you dislike. Because it is the one song that took the most creativity to make. The bassline in that song is 10,000 times more complex than that of any other Live tune including PLOTR. The vocals are explosive and the bridge is well timed, exploding into a hair raising "COME ON MOTHERFUCKER!" The drumming is far more creative and alternative than anything off the past 4 albums and the song is too.

Live's catalogue may be ok for the first 4, but it comes nowhere near that of any of the 90's talented artists and PJ is one of those. Would I rather listen to LIVE's? Of course. But I'm not bias enough to come out and say their catalogue is any better or even close to that of a PJ, Radiohead, STP, Tool or many many others. From a musical perspective, Live are lucky to have average talent. Many many people would argue that they're not even that.

Music doesn't have to grab you for it to be good technically and that's basically what I'm talking about here. I'd rather listen to Live than PJ any day, but saying their music is anywhere near as good is fucking idiotic and asinine. That's what I was saying to Nick.

Also, BOP and V, although not thrown together, were fucking garbage. The harmonies are simple and juvenile. The chord progression is weak as fuck, basslines absent, drum parts amateur. The lyrics sucked balls far worse than I imagined anything Live capable of. Comparable to Brittney Spears garbage. Absolute sewer sludge. Argue all you want. The music from those albums is technically weak and poorly written. The structure sucks and almost all of it is absent of bridge and of Live's anthemic sound. WEAK, plain and simple.

[Merica]

Wasn't surprised after all that nonsense that you singled out STAGE as the one song you dislike. Because it is the one song that took the most creativity to make. The bassline in that song is 10,000 times more complex than that of any other Live tune including PLOTR. The vocals are explosive and the bridge is well timed, exploding into a hair raising "COME ON MOTHERFUCKER!" The drumming is far more creative and alternative than anything off the past 4 albums and the song is too.

WAAAKE MEEEE UP TOONIIIIIIIGHT! COME ON COME ON COME ON MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

Awesome song. "Hair raising" is a very good description for the bridge.

[Lebanon Corvalis]

I thought this site was called "fans of Live" Bunch +Live+ Haters!


LC

[LiveRoCkS77]

I thought this site was called "fans of Live" Bunch +Live+ Haters!
LC

Not about being a Live hater man, it's about calling a spade a spade. I love this band. But I'm not going to let that stand in front of logic, like a lot of the little fanboy douche bags around here do.

The music since TDTH has sucked gorilla squirts. Technically, musically, harmonically, lyrically...whatever way you want to slice it. It sucks more than Michael Jackson at a daycare.

People still like it, that's their perogative. Anybody who knows anything about music will tell you there's nothing redeeming about almost all of it. Garbage.

[Existentialist]

Yeah, Luke's dead on. I still follow Live because their first 4 were so incredible and their concerts are still good. But the last 3 albums really have been embarrassing. Simply mindblowing how in a period of two years they could go from writing songs like Deeper and Change (which were unreleased!) to releasing shit like Call Me a Fool and Nobody Knows.

[SJN1279]

Yeah, Luke's dead on. I still follow Live because their first 4 were so incredible and their concerts are still good. But the last 3 albums really have been embarrassing. Simply mindblowing how in a period of two years they could go from writing songs like Deeper and Change (which were unreleased!) to releasing shit like Call Me a Fool and Nobody Knows.

I actually like the last 3 albums quite a bit:

V was an experiment, but we got some killer songs from it(Simple Creed, Deep Enough, FMNBLE etc), not to mention Overcome with all its emotion. Was the album perfect? No, I could do without some of the rapping and cursing. But for me, its still a solid album.

BOP was a very strong rock album. Like I Do, Lighthouse, and She are some of the best rockers the band has ever done. Heaven was also a really emotional tune and awesome single. TDTH is a beloved album, but it was severely lacking in the rocking department, and I feel BOP really made up for it. The only complaint I have is that the album needed a greater balance between up tempo and ballad songs. Otherwise, I really like this album!

SFBM was a solid Hot A/C album. I understand the hatred for it by certain hardcores, but for me it was a good mellow album. Surprisingly if you go to artistdirect.com it is tied for the highest reviewed Live album with Throwing Copper. Its all perspective.

While I also love the first four albums, they are all far from perfect. Mental Jewelery has some very memorable tunes, but also quite a few clunkers. On TC has probably some of the band's best work, but I always skip TDAOC, Stage, and Horse. SS is a solid album, despite some weird ass lyrics. TDTH is probably my favorite Live album, but as I said earlier it really could have used a few rockers. Vine Street should have made the album and been the second single!

I know I'll be ripped apart, but its just how I feel.

[Existentialist]

Well, some people have to be deaf.

[Ian]

I say we all better get our asses to at least one of the four announced shows in July.

Wow. I think I have heard Eds voice in my ears more than anyone with the exception of my family and closest friends, this is like loosing a friend. But we always have our boots eh boys! I am lucky enough to have backstage passes for the show in cleveland and i have an extra, i was going to take my girlfriend but in the current circumstances maybe it would be better if i could possibly hook up with another diehard, she wont mind. So if you are heading to the cleveland show, let me know and i will see if i cant work something out.

love and peace

Ian

[Ian]

Yeah, Luke's dead on. I still follow Live because their first 4 were so incredible and their concerts are still good. But the last 3 albums really have been embarrassing. Simply mindblowing how in a period of two years they could go from writing songs like Deeper and Change (which were unreleased!) to releasing shit like Call Me a Fool and Nobody Knows.

Nobody knows was not shit.

[Ian]

Or someone tweeted him regarding the thread. I created a thread on SOY, as well.

I sent it to chad

[PurdueSteve]

I disagree with just about every single thing you said and every single point you made. I'll get into some of it a little later, just can't be bothered right now.

It's cool to disagree, or else this site would be SOY.

Wasn't surprised after all that nonsense that you singled out STAGE as the one song you dislike. Because it is the one song that took the most creativity to make. The bassline in that song is 10,000 times more complex than that of any other Live tune including PLOTR. The vocals are explosive and the bridge is well timed, exploding into a hair raising "COME ON MOTHERFUCKER!" The drumming is far more creative and alternative than anything off the past 4 albums and the song is too.

Again, it looks like you are defining quality music by musical intricacy. Do you define Pat's best basslines by the one's that would be most complicated to play or do you define the best part as one that is the fastest. I happen to think that Freaks features some of CG's best drumming, it's not fast or even intricate, it just helps define the song, which is the point to any musician.

Live's catalogue may be ok for the first 4, but it comes nowhere near that of any of the 90's talented artists and PJ is one of those. Would I rather listen to LIVE's? Of course. But I'm not bias enough to come out and say their catalogue is any better or even close to that of a PJ, Radiohead, STP, Tool or many many others. From a musical perspective, Live are lucky to have average talent. Many many people would argue that they're not even that.

I don't know how you can really say that. What criteria do you use to establish that. If you compare a diehard live fan to a diehard Pearl Jam fan both have solid catalogs that the fanbase adores. From a non-diehard fan perspective, each band seems to have a handful of titles from one major album that still sees the light of radio airplay [for live it's Throwing Copper with LC, I Alone and STD] for PJ it seems to be Ten era with Even Flow, Jeremy and perhaps Yellow Ledbetter which was huge. Each of these bands memorable history rests in their breakthrough album. So, they seem comparable to me from both the diehard fan perspective and from the radio airplay perspective.

Music doesn't have to grab you for it to be good technically and that's basically what I'm talking about here. I'd rather listen to Live than PJ any day, but saying their music is anywhere near as good is fucking idiotic and asinine. That's what I was saying to Nick.

If you're going to make definitive statements such as this, you need to at least define the criteria. So far we know it isn't based upon grabbing the listener. What the fuck is it based upon then? Perhaps studio production costs? Please, I'm interested in knowing what defines certain music as better than another? Record sales? If so, the Jonas brothers and Miley Cyrus are better than both bands.

Also, BOP and V, although not thrown together, were fucking garbage. The harmonies are simple and juvenile. The chord progression is weak as fuck, basslines absent, drum parts amateur. The lyrics sucked balls far worse than I imagined anything Live capable of. Comparable to Brittney Spears garbage. Absolute sewer sludge. Argue all you want. The music from those albums is technically weak and poorly written. The structure sucks and almost all of it is absent of bridge and of Live's anthemic sound. WEAK, plain and simple.

That's your opinion. I'm trying to think of most songs on those albums and most do have a bridge, you just don't like it/them. Which is fine. I think they suck in comparison to the first 4 but as standalone albums I like them enough to listen to them over other albums from other bands. I like BOP and V way more than I like the Smashing Pumpkins' late efforts. I like those albums more than I like Metallica's Reload or St. Anger. I like V and BOP much more than I like Nickelbacks commercialized garbage [I liked old Nickelback like Leader of Man]. Pearl Jam's late albums didn't cause any rifts in time, I doubt I could think of a single song that I know from those albums, and I think the general population would be in the same position. Only the diehards know it.

[Senghe]

I find myself not caring either way if Live are on hiatus or have split for good.

10 years ago I'd have been absolutely gutted, but all I feel today is indifferent.

I wish them all luck in their musical ventures and will keep an ear out for both Ed and Chad, Chad and Pat's new band. If Live get back together at a later date so be it. If not, it's hardly the end of the world for anybody.

p.s. *deliberately gets the wooden spoon out because I only come for the ill feeling and arguments*

*drum roll*

Pearl Jam are shit.

[Pokey]

The thing that I'm not too fussed about is that to me personally with a tour only once in a blue moon and no new album since 2006's best forgotten album, so really besides Purifier, Live hasn't released anything I've truely loved since 2003, so to me it's almost like Live has been on hiatus for a long time .. maybe it's why im not too fussed. I know they'll come back and I think they'll be better for the break.