The End of Live, (at least for the forseeable future) Options

[Sonic Tonic]

Hasn't Live been living off of their 90's fame also. How many times can you hear Lightning Crashes, Selling the Drama and I alone in concert.

Pearl Jam's last album was better than anything Live has released this decade.

See I am a fan of both bands and musically Pearl Jam released better music this decade. But that is my opinion.

And surprise, surprise that Nick brings out album sales to judge quality of music. Dude you gotta rethink how you perceive music. It's not about who sells more. But anyways these commercial success and album sale topics have been done to death with you.

So lets get back to anticipating the new music that CT PD CG are cooking up.

This post has been edited by Sonic Tonic: Jul 14 2009, 4:30 pm

[alexou]

Commercial sales.... no no no! No way it can be a way to compare the quality of the music. I'm sure you all know that.

Pearl Jam 2006's release was their best in a while. Go take a listen. The first 4 songs are rocking. It came out about at the same time than SFBM and well in every aspects PJ just stated that they survived way better than Live did in the 2000's. It is true that PJ put out less records, but don't forget the quality of PJ's setlists at their shows. I like more Ed K' voice, but musically always Pearl jam over Live.

[SJN1279]

Commercial sales.... no no no! No way it can be a way to compare the quality of the music. I'm sure you all know that.

Pearl Jam 2006's release was their best in a while. Go take a listen. The first 4 songs are rocking. It came out about at the same time than SFBM and well in every aspects PJ just stated that they survived way better than Live did in the 2000's. It is true that PJ put out less records, but don't forget the quality of PJ's setlists at their shows. I like more Ed K' voice, but musically always Pearl jam over Live.

I personally thought that Pearl Jam's last album was very good at all. That said, its a matter of opinion. I actually liked Live's last three albums quite a bit.

I was never a fan of Pearl Jam's stage show. Its one thing to play different songs in concert, its another to play them well. I'd take a Live show over a Pearl Jam show anyday.

[SJN1279]

Either way, enough about Pearl Jam. Live's last show(possibly ever) is in under a week. I'm hoping they go out in style. I wish it wasn't happening in that Westbury spinning theater, but what can you do?

[alexou]

I don't think that any of the Ed can sing as they used to. Lakini's Juice for Live and State of Love and trust for PJ are good examples. I enjoy watching concerts from both band and can't decide which one I like the most. Maybe PJ because of the surprise of the song that will come after. But still Live has always delivered onstage and yes they are more energic. Another point for PJ is the musical skills that they show.

As for Live I enjoyed V more than the 2 last albums, but some songs has always made me keeping hope like "Like I do", " Lighthouse", "Sophia" and others, but songs like "all I need" and "home" well...just show that SFBM was produced fastly and that ED did it all alone almost.

[flyersfan62379]

Pearl Jam was always a way bigger band than Live ever could dream of. That still holds true today. However the fact is, after three tries, Pearl Jam has yet to have a platinum album this decade. Also for a band who railed against commercialsm, they quickly signed a deal with Target in order to try and stay relevant in today's marketplace.

They are a huge band who lives off of their 90's success. They are much larger than Live, but they aren't on the level of Coldplay, U2, the Chili Peppers, or even Nickelback this decade. Daughtry's last album sold twice as much as Pearl Jam's entire post 1990's catalogue.

Just the facts.

WHAT? Do you try to convince yourself this crap? Pearl Jam isn't on the same level as Nickelback or the other bands you've mentioned? Are you friggin' serious? Do you have a hatred for them or just jealousy?

V, Birds of Pray and Songs From Black Mountain combined cannot equal two tracks from Pearl Jam's last disc.

You need to put the Live flag down, dude. It's sort of embarrassing how much you defend them.

You want to talk about commercialism? Check out Live's appearance on AMERICAN IDOL or how "Runaway" comes on Sirius' easy-listening station when I'm grocery shopping or getting my teeth cleaned.

Pearl Jam is one of the BEST bands of our generation. Period.

While they're packing outdoor venues and arenas, Live is relying on Counting Crows and Collective Soul to fill minor league ballparks for their shows, playing the same tired, downtrodden set-lists.

Those are the facts.

[Sonic Tonic]

Your turn Nick. Let's hear the rundown of record sales. For that is all you have.

[Distance to Me]

I don't like Binaural much at all, and Riot Act has only a few good songs (namely Can't Keep, Save You, and I Am Mine), in my opinion, which puts it on the level of Birds of Pray for me (my least favorite album by Live). But Pearl Jam's latest eponymous album kicks some serious ass, and Severed Hand is quickly becoming one of my favorites. That album blows everything Live has done this decade away.

On the other hand, I don't think Pearl Jam is the better band. Individually, I think Vedder is a much better vocalist than Ed, and McCready has shown more skill than Taylor (though I have a hunch Taylor is about to kick some ass with this new band), but Gracey is comparable to Cameron, and Dalheimer is probably better than Ament, when he puts his mind to it. And, way back in the nineties, Ed wrote much better lyrics than Vedder overall.

What sets the bands apart is Pearl Jam's creativity, and Live's intensity. Even Flow and Severed Hand rock, but they lack the intensity that, say, The Dam at Otter Creek or Heropsychodreamer has. On the flipside, Live hasn't really pushed their creative potential. Live has nothing as artsy as No Code (one of my favorites). The Distance to Here and Throwing Copper in particular are examples of Live being creative and succeeding (and those are two of the most popular albums among fans), but they can branch off much more than that.

Bottom line is, Live needs to push their creative potential in the future (hopefully, there will be a future), and get some of their intensity back. Like I Do, Lighthouse, and Purifier are some of the more popular recent songs, and they are pretty intense. Let's bring some intensity back.

Sorry about ranting and typing too much, I'm up way too late.

This post has been edited by Distance to Me: Jul 15 2009, 2:59 am

[SJN1279]

Live ends on Sunday. Its partly my fault, let's try to get this on topic. We could start a Pearl Jam vs. the World thread in off topic and argue to our fingers are sore, if we like

[flyersfan62379]

Live ends on Sunday. Its partly my fault, let's try to get this on topic. We could start a Pearl Jam vs. the World thread in off topic and argue to our fingers are sore, if we like

Yeah, that's what I thought. You have nothing.

[SecretInsomnia]

I don't like Binaural much at all, and Riot Act has only a few good songs (namely Can't Keep, Save You, and I Am Mine), in my opinion, which puts it on the level of Birds of Pray for me (my least favorite album by Live). But Pearl Jam's latest eponymous album kicks some serious ass, and Severed Hand is quickly becoming one of my favorites. That album blows everything Live has done this decade away.

On the other hand, I don't think Pearl Jam is the better band. Individually, I think Vedder is a much better vocalist than Ed, and McCready has shown more skill than Taylor (though I have a hunch Taylor is about to kick some ass with this new band), but Gracey is comparable to Cameron, and Dalheimer is probably better than Ament, when he puts his mind to it. And, way back in the nineties, Ed wrote much better lyrics than Vedder overall.

What sets the bands apart is Pearl Jam's creativity, and Live's intensity. Even Flow and Severed Hand rock, but they lack the intensity that, say, The Dam at Otter Creek or Heropsychodreamer has. On the flipside, Live hasn't really pushed their creative potential. Live has nothing as artsy as No Code (one of my favorites). The Distance to Here and Throwing Copper in particular are examples of Live being creative and succeeding (and those are two of the most popular albums among fans), but they can branch off much more than that.

Bottom line is, Live needs to push their creative potential in the future (hopefully, there will be a future), and get some of their intensity back. Like I Do, Lighthouse, and Purifier are some of the more popular recent songs, and they are pretty intense. Let's bring some intensity back.

Sorry about ranting and typing too much, I'm up way too late.

Although I consider Purifier (probably) as the most rocking Live song of the 2000s, I think Like I do and Lighthouse are musically more intense and deep. Purifier rocks, but I think of it as a fun song. A rocking fun song.

This post has been edited by SecretInsomnia: Jul 15 2009, 10:19 am

[SJN1279]

Yeah, that's what I thought. You have nothing.

Your last post was basically all your opinion. I don't agree with most of it, but you are entitled to it just the same.

[phungi]

I have been a fan of Live since 1987 and Pearl Jam since 1991. Saw them both nearly every time I could in the first 5-6 years of their existence, and continue to see Pearl Jam every chance I get.

Live, while I love their earlier music, simply does not "bring it" to the stage. Their set lists are scripted, and there is little variation from day-to-day. It is an orchestrated show, but the music and quality of that show is very good.

Pearl Jam, on the other hand, customizes their set every night. They are, for me, the pre-eminent touring band of our time.

I will miss Live, or at least the promise of a re-energized Live that will tour on its catalog of songs... then again, I have missed the live of 1987-1992 for over a decade already.

[LiveRoCkS77]

I personally thought that Pearl Jam's last album was very good at all. That said, its a matter of opinion. I actually liked Live's last three albums quite a bit.

I was never a fan of Pearl Jam's stage show. Its one thing to play different songs in concert, its another to play them well. I'd take a Live show over a Pearl Jam show anyday.

Pearl Jams last album was very good musically. I'm not a big fan of PJ at all either.

Nick, you can like Lives last 3 albums all you want. Musically, they were complete garbage. Two chord guitar for the most part, u7ncreative drum and bass parts and lyrically? Utter and complete garbage. That's not opinion dude sorry. Bad writing is bad writing, no matter how you slice it. It is repetitive bullshit that I would honestly expect out of a ten year old who hasn't quite learned to develop his ideas yet.

The music recently is just crap. Whether you like it or not is subjective....I don't fault you for that. But it really tells me something about you, when you try and argue about the quality of the music from the 2 bands. From start to finish, Live's catalogue comes nowhere near the work of Pearl Jam when it comes down to musical talent and creativity. Argue it all you want, it only makes you look like an unbelieveable moron and idiot.

[PurdueSteve]

Pearl Jams last album was very good musically. I'm not a big fan of PJ at all either.

You do realize that is subjective

Nick, you can like Lives last 3 albums all you want. Musically, they were complete garbage. Two chord guitar for the most part, u7ncreative drum and bass parts and lyrically? Utter and complete garbage.

I disagree, the later 3 pale in comparison to the first 4, but V and BOP had some instrumental intricacies. Most of Live's albums feature simple chord progressions, however some of their biggest songs feature simple 2-chord and 3-chord progressions. From a rythm guitar perspective, one could learn and play most songs on Throwing Copper much easier than songs on V. SFBM did fall significantly in arrangement. Many songs didn't have a bridge [or the used the same basic verse-riff as the bridge with high pitched "climatic" vocals] and the lyric was just blah!! I do like Sofia though, I think the song is unique lyrically in it's inspiration from Gnosticism.

That's not opinion dude sorry. Bad writing is bad writing, no matter how you slice it. It is repetitive bullshit that I would honestly expect out of a ten year old who hasn't quite learned to develop his ideas yet.

Again, it is opinion. V and BOP weren't just thrown together like SFBM was. You may not have liked the direction they went with those albums [I too believe it was negative direction than the previous 4 albums] but plenty of work went into the arrangement and development of those albums.

The music recently is just crap. Whether you like it or not is subjective....I don't fault you for that. But it really tells me something about you, when you try and argue about the quality of the music from the 2 bands. From start to finish, Live's catalogue comes nowhere near the work of Pearl Jam when it comes down to musical talent and creativity. Argue it all you want, it only makes you look like an unbelieveable moron and idiot.

Music talent is a moot point from a technical perspective. It's more about that connection. I could care less how awesome PJ's guitar solo's are if the music itself doesn't grab me. Live grabbed me, and I assume grabbed many people here. There are a lot of technical bands out there, System of a Down comes to mind. While I personally like System of a Down I could see many Live fans not liking the more aggressive style of rock. They don't have that connection even though I'd wager to say from an instrument perspective System of a Down has more talented musicians.

Live has a great catalog. It's not about popularity and record sales. Most here can probably listen to Mental Jewelry on up to Distance to Here without skipping a song and love every minute of it [I personally do not like Stage and that would be the one song I skip]. When you can do that with 4 straight albums, that makes an impressive catalog.