gotigrz's - 'Jesus is the only way to heaven' thread, split from "Is Ed... a Christian Again?" Options

[gotigrz]

Only Christian hell...
I think gotigrzs is just so happy that he can listen to Live now without going to hell! Right?!

listening to LIVE was never going to send me to hell... just like not listening to them wont get me into heaven, either.

[Badman]

listening to LIVE was never going to send me to hell... just like not listening to them wont get me into heaven, either.

What are you talking about? If you listen to the whole catalog eventually around the 6th album you will reach Heaven.

[gotigrz]

What are you talking about? If you listen to the whole catalog eventually around the 6th album you will reach Heaven.

actually, around the 6th is when everything starts going to crap... LOL!!!! musically, that is.... lyrically, for me, it's been getting better.

This post has been edited by gotigrz: May 14 2009, 3:54 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

nice try on the "set up" question, but i'm gonna answer anyway. i'm a Christian, i believe that the bible is God's inspired word. i believe in Jesus and everything He taught. Jesus said, ....not me, not tom, nor dick nor harry,..... John 14:6 - 6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." and, i, being a Christian, am suppose to try to be like Jesus as much as i can. and, Jesus said John 3:17 - 17"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved".

all i know is that, according to God, Jesus, and the written inspired word of God... you must accept Christ as your saviour in order to be saved.

sooo... are you going to hell.... i don't know.. that'll be for God to decide.

But, as you said yourself, I must accept Christ as my savior. So if I HAVE to accept Christ, I am the one deciding, not God. Am I right?

Believing that the Bible is the written and inspired word of God is a large assumption. Which translation exactly? And why couldn't God get the facts straight throughout the four gospel accounts?

[gotigrz]

But, as you said yourself, I must accept Christ as my savior. So if I HAVE to accept Christ, I am the one deciding, not God. Am I right?

Believing that the Bible is the written and inspired word of God is a large assumption. Which translation exactly? And why couldn't God get the facts straight throughout the four gospel accounts?

i'll be back tomorrow... i'll get to these questions then... hold my calls... LOL!!!

[Pokey]

Oh well in the end I know that there is no such thing as hell so he can say I'm going to hell all he wants, all thats gonna happen is I'll rot in the ground in a box. We have proof that happens at least.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Oh well in the end I know that there is no such thing as hell so he can say I'm going to hell all he wants, all thats gonna happen is I'll rot in the ground in a box. We have proof that happens at least.

If you get cremated I guess it is kinda like Hell. Ya know, fire and ashes and all. Guess I am headed there after all!

[Pokey]

I think I'd actually prefer to be cremated, dont really wanna rot in the ground. And man would I be pissed off if I woke up later trapped in the coffin. I know theres also a service where you can be shot into the sky with a gun, that'd be kinda cool.

[Sonic Tonic]

As far as where my body goes after death? Burn it , dump the ashes anywhere. No fancy anything. Funerals and coffins are a big scam. People pay thousands of dollars to shove a corpse into a wooden box that will get buried and rot away. WHY!?? Not to mention wasting land to bury corpses.

[Wambangalang]

as far as im concerned, even scientists dont know everything. I think that to actually believe that after this life we simply rot in the ground is as silly and depressing as believing in an afterlife that unfolds in the christian manner. It is still blind belief, and something that you could not possibly know.

There are billions of people who have lived and died, taught and conditioned in environments that are completely removed from christian influence. Meaning, people who were never exposed to christianity, the bible or the teachings of jesus christ. Are these people, who didnt even have a chance to decide to follow him because they didnt know he existed, dammed? If not (because the implication is that god is merciful) are we who have had some kind of introduction to christ but chose to ignore it because the institution or manner in which the message was delivered was somehow incomplete or perverted now dammed to eternal pain?

Its so completely obvious that this is nonsense. I think that to say "THIS is god" or "this is NOT god" is absurd. If there is such a thing as god, whatever that means, then surely it is something that can be reached by every single human being. The christian path, or any organized path, is a perversion of what is holy. The brain does not what to end. It wants continuity, so it will grasp at anything that gives it that. "God" is beyond all of the words, books and imagery that the brain, more specifically the human mind, has cultivated and organized and ritualised for the last 50,000 years or more and passed down through the generations. These images we can not leave behind (see how i did that) are the cause of all our internal suffering.

Anyway, krishnamurti talks about all this stuff in Beyond Violence my favourite one of his teachings...

[gotigrz]

about the ones who have never heard of Jesus. honestly, i don't know how God would handle such cases. but, this world is corrupt because of our doings, not His. we decided that we would devide into different religions, Gods, whatever.... so, in my opinion, it's not that those people never had a chance to know Jesus... their ancestors decided that Jesus wasn't gonna be their "way" and, if they're wrong(which i believe they are) then they and their descendants will all suffer. but, i hope and pray, first and foremost that the word of the true God will reach these places. but, in the meantime, i hope that God has mercy on their souls.

[Merica]

God doesn't sound very nice if he'll make people suffer because with the free will he gave them they corrupted the world and made it difficult to "see the light". It's like giving a kid a lollypop and smacking them for getting it on their tshirt.... or something like that.

For me it's all really hypocritical and interwoven with so many get out clauses like "God has a plan" or "we just have to believe" etc. The main thing is that people have different defitions of God. Like, what is your God? Did he give us free will? Does he not what we'll do before we do it? Is he omnipresent or omniscience or all those other omnis? What is GOD?

[gotigrz]

God doesn't sound very nice if he'll make people suffer because with the free will he gave them they corrupted the world and made it difficult to "see the light". It's like giving a kid a lollypop and smacking them for getting it on their tshirt.... or something like that.

For me it's all really hypocritical and interwoven with so many get out clauses like "God has a plan" or "we just have to believe" etc. The main thing is that people have different defitions of God. Like, what is your God? Did he give us free will? Does he not what we'll do before we do it? Is he omnipresent or omniscience or all those other omnis? What is GOD?

i believe that God is a spirit, and all knowing spirit. God knows what we'll choose before we choose it. we're not puppets on strings. God made us free thinkers. that's why so many choose not to believe, today. if you loved someone so much and all you wanted was for them to love you, equally... wouldn't you want them to "choose" to love you more than anything else, rather than be "forced" to? cause if they are forced to love you, then you don't know if they REALLY love you at all. well, i believe that's the way God sees us. that's why we're His children and some of us decide to smear that lollypop on our shirt, and some of us decide to eat it and throw the stick away in the trash, and then go wash our hands.... like we were told to do by the One that we believe loves us more than anything. that is what God is, to me.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

If God knows what we are going to do before we do it then it isn't free will.

[gotigrz]

If God knows what we are going to do before we do it then it isn't free will.

way to skew my words there. there's a big difference in knowing what someone will do and knowing what someone will choose. if you put a bowl of ice cream and a bowl of human feces in front of someone and tell them to choose which one they want to eat. you know they're gonna choose the ice cream... all though they do have the choice to eat the crap. that's kinda the way i see God as knowing what we'll choose with our free will. it may be a poor annology, but it's relevant.