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[turkish101]

Thats what I still dont get .. they play to a loyal and small fan base yet play the same things over and over .. we dont need that stagnant setlist still, if they've given up and popularity and the charts then sacrifice some of the big hits and experiment with new stuff and dig out more and more from the past ... if all they have left is a loyal fanbase then surely we're not gonna be complaining if we go to a gig and get Unsheathed or Good Pain instead of All over you and TSUFL

Well, most of the people at a Live concert today are probably hardcore fans (i.e. the kind of people who post on fan websites, like us), but there's still probably a good % of fans who show up, thinking, 'hey, I used to listen to Throwing Copper all the time in 8th grade. I hope they play that placenta song!' Gotta make your green somehow, I guess.

This is why bands like Dave Matthews Band have such rabid fanbases- like their music or not (I personally love it, but I understand why others don't) - they keep their setlists fresh. No two concerts are alike with them.

Like should really bring back some older stuff. Or hell, even their newer stuff! Even on the SFBM tour, they didn't play too many new songs. There are probably more than a few songs that they've never played live at all.

(Before you say the reason for this is because SFBM sucks, don't. that's besides the point).

I mean, I hate the song, but who wouldn't love to hear "Forever May Not Be Long Enough" one night in 2009?

[+Ed+]

Like should really bring back some older stuff.

It's LiVe, mate.

[Pokey]

Well, most of the people at a Live concert today are probably hardcore fans (i.e. the kind of people who post on fan websites, like us), but there's still probably a good % of fans who show up, thinking, 'hey, I used to listen to Throwing Copper all the time in 8th grade. I hope they play that placenta song!' Gotta make your green somehow, I guess.

This is why bands like Dave Matthews Band have such rabid fanbases- like their music or not (I personally love it, but I understand why others don't) - they keep their setlists fresh. No two concerts are alike with them.

Like should really bring back some older stuff. Or hell, even their newer stuff! Even on the SFBM tour, they didn't play too many new songs. There are probably more than a few songs that they've never played live at all.

(Before you say the reason for this is because SFBM sucks, don't. that's besides the point).

I mean, I hate the song, but who wouldn't love to hear "Forever May Not Be Long Enough" one night in 2009?

I agree, why pander to a certain audience ... if you go there only being a so/so fan of the band and all you know are the hits then wouldnt you want to be exposed to more stuff you hadn't heard. If I go and see a band that I like for 7-8 songs I want to hear what else they have on offer ... I dont understand people like Nick who seem to think if Live don't play Lightning Crashes ever gig or I Alone that the universe will end and Live will lose all their fans and not get any new ones .... news flash is that isn't happening now anyways so...

[SJN1279]

I agree, why pander to a certain audience ... if you go there only being a so/so fan of the band and all you know are the hits then wouldnt you want to be exposed to more stuff you hadn't heard. If I go and see a band that I like for 7-8 songs I want to hear what else they have on offer ... I dont understand people like Nick who seem to think if Live don't play Lightning Crashes ever gig or I Alone that the universe will end and Live will lose all their fans and not get any new ones .... news flash is that isn't happening now anyways so...

Lightning Crashes almost always gets the biggest reaction out of a crowd during a show, why should Liveremove it? The hits keep the general fans of the crowd into a show, without Live playing them, we'd be complaining of a lame crowd.

Also, 90 percent of the general population will only see a band once or twice in concert. If I go to a concert, I fully expect to hear the band play their biggest hit, because hit songs are what bring the majority of fans into a concert.

Live has brought old favorites back into the setlist in recent years. It makes the hardcore fans happy, but the rest of the crowd could care less. Case in point, when the band played "Mother Earth is a Vicious Crowd" in NJ in 2007, the reaction was of indifference. The reaction was no better than any SFBM track. A show of rare songs would fall flat.

[SecretInsomnia]

Thats what I still dont get .. they play to a loyal and small fan base yet play the same things over and over .. we dont need that stagnant setlist still, if they've given up and popularity and the charts then sacrifice some of the big hits and experiment with new stuff and dig out more and more from the past ... if all they have left is a loyal fanbase then surely we're not gonna be complaining if we go to a gig and get Unsheathed or Good Pain instead of All over you and TSUFL

I agree with you, Live has now more than ever the cahnce to play some of their alternative stuff. But if you're hinting to LATP with your post, I can understand the band's choice very good. I mean the concert was for the hardcore fans, but the dvd was for the whole wide world!

[Pokey]

Lightning Crashes almost always gets the biggest reaction out of a crowd during a show, why should Liveremove it? The hits keep the general fans of the crowd into a show, without Live playing them, we'd be complaining of a lame crowd.

Also, 90 percent of the general population will only see a band once or twice in concert. If I go to a concert, I fully expect to hear the band play their biggest hit, because hit songs are what bring the majority of fans into a concert.

Live has brought old favorites back into the setlist in recent years. It makes the hardcore fans happy, but the rest of the crowd could care less. Case in point, when the band played "Mother Earth is a Vicious Crowd" in NJ in 2007, the reaction was of indifference. The reaction was no better than any SFBM track. A show of rare songs would fall flat.

You mean you'd be complaining about a lame crowd ... you always seem to care more about what other people think of Live then you yourself do ... the radio play, commercial success etc..
The old favorites being maybe one or two tracks here and there ... not really good enough. You have the most warped way of seeing this, I can't understand it. So many other bands out there have hits which are their best known songs and get away with not playing them at gigs to make way for other things and the fans are absolutely thrilled because the gig they're seeing is just so different to any previous time they've seen them ... you seem to have absolutely no faith in Live to be able to wow fans with songs that wern't promoted on the radio.
Your argument falls flat on its face by the number of bands who really do overhaul their setlists completely on a regular basis and the fanbase (bigger than lives in many cases) see this as an awesome thing ... there's still just no reason for Live to replace 4-5 songs with each other every tour. It reeks of laziness.
I think of a band like Ween, seeing them back to back nights where they played over 30 songs each night and only one of them were played on both nights. They have their hits which the general population would come to see them for, they spread them over the 2 nights ... but they put in such amazing performances that no one cared what was being played because of how undenyabley good the gigs were .. and Live have the ability to do that too but they don't.
Then there is how they keep their sanity, im sure they love their songs and are proud of them but god it would drive me insane not constantly swapping the material up and playing different things and keeping it fresh.

I can just honestly say that if the set list remains as is on the next Australian tour then I am sadly not going, it's like watching the same movie over and over. Which is sad but it's to the point where the $80 is more precious in my pocket.

And to the above, not really complaining about the DVD setlist specifically (besides leaving out the best songs of the setlist completely ... THAT is inexcuseable) .. more just a statement in general.

[SJN1279]

Over the past four years of touring, Live has mixed up their setlist and added old favorites back in:

Simple Creed
The Distance
Mirror Song
The Dam At Otter Creek
Iris
Mirror Song
and that is just to name a few

I'm not saying that they aren't bands with a more diverse setlist, but Live has improved a great deal in that respect since 2003. Live hasn't hit Australia since 2006, I'm sure the setlist will be a bit different in 2009.

[Pokey]

Over the past four years of touring, Live has mixed up their setlist and added old favorites back in:

Simple Creed
The Distance
Mirror Song
The Dam At Otter Creek
Iris
Mirror Song
and that is just to name a few

Pretty unimpressive really .. dont get me wrong they're good changes but not nearly enough, and some seem to just replace each other for example Simple Creed/TDAOC

[SJN1279]

Pretty unimpressive really .. dont get me wrong they're good changes but not nearly enough, and some seem to just replace each other for example Simple Creed/TDAOC

If new songs didn't rotate out of the set, you'd be getting bored of them as well. Rattlesnake was a cool opener, but changing to TDAOC and then Simple Creed was a nice change.

I'm excited to hear Forever and Purifier this March(hoping that they do in fact play both).

[SJN1279]

Australia Update:

The DVD debuted at #13 on the Aria Chart. I thought it was released next week?

[Pokey]

So did I, but it's been in the stores for a couple of weeks now.

[Pokey]

If new songs didn't rotate out of the set, you'd be getting bored of them as well. Rattlesnake was a cool opener, but changing to TDAOC and then Simple Creed was a nice change.

I'm excited to hear Forever and Purifier this March(hoping that they do in fact play both).

Of course we would, but they were changing them before you got a chance to really enjoy them or give them a good run .. I doubt I'll see TDAOC in concert ever again now. I mean how many plays did it actually get?


Let's look at what Live could do:

I suppose there are a few songs they just gotta play each night, these could be Lightning Crashes, I Alone, Lakini's Juice and The Dolphin's Cry ... that should satisfy the casual fan .. then maybe throw in another 4 songs on the tour that are "hits" that alternate on different nights only 2 per night lets say TSUFL, All over you, Selling the Drama and Heaven. Then you got the songs that are "hits" to the hardcore fans, lets add another 4 that only 2 get played per night that alternate ... White Discussion, Overcome, Iris, Shite Towne.
Then you've got new material, lets say they're promoting an album .. you should at least play half your album in a setlist to promote it, so another 6 songs. (A good idea to maybe half way through a tour alternate to the other remaining songs .. dont see the point in releasing an album and not playing everything from it throughout a tour .. makes it seem as if what you dont play is seen as filler by the band).

So far we have a total of 14 songs in a night .. then lets say they play a 20 song setlist .. that's a further 6 songs that every single tour they bring out 12 songs from the past that will surprise everyone and have fans in a real buzz and excitement to see what they will bring out but only 6 per night ... the end result could be that you get a really interesting and varied setlist with something for everyone. Using this format if they did 2 back to back shows it could look something like this:

1. Where Fishes Go
2. All Over You
3. *New Song* (purifier?)
4. *New Song* (Forever?)
5. Shit Towne
6. Iris
7. *New Song*
8. *New Song*
9. Ghost
10. The Dolphin's Cry
11. Everytime I see your face
12. Lakini's Juice
13. *New Song*
14. Tired of Me
15. Supernatural
16. Night of Nights
17. Heaven
18. *New Song*
19. Lightning Crashes
20. I Alone

1. The Dolphin's Cry
2. *New Song*
3. *New Song*
4. Selling The Drama
5. Walk The Line
6. I Alone
7. *New Song*
8. Sun
9. *New Song*
10. Lightning Crashes
11. She
12. TSUFL
13. *New Song*
14. Lakini's Juice
15. Pain Lies on the Riverside
16. Unsheathed
17. *New Song*
18. Overcome
19. Pillar of Davidson
20. White, Discussion

If they came out with something like that people would shit a brick with excitement. And the best part if the next tour would then have brand new songs from another new album, plus the 6 that they dug up from the past would all be different as well.
If I could whip that up in a couple of minutes there is no reason they can't too. Unfortunatly 2 back to back Live shows produce pretty much the exact same setlists in a different order that remain that way throughout a whole tour and then even into the next tour with maybe 1 or 2 songs that just interchange with each other.

[Liveman94]

Using this format if they did 2 back to back shows it could look something like this:

1. Where Fishes Go
2. All Over You
3. *New Song* (purifier?)
4. *New Song* (Forever?)
5. Shit Towne
6. Iris
7. *New Song*
8. *New Song*
9. Ghost
10. The Dolphin's Cry
11. Everytime I see your face
12. Lakini's Juice
13. *New Song*
14. Tired of Me
15. Supernatural
16. Night of Nights
17. Heaven
18. *New Song*
19. Lightning Crashes
20. I Alone

1. The Dolphin's Cry
2. *New Song*
3. *New Song*
4. Selling The Drama
5. Walk The Line
6. I Alone
7. *New Song*
8. Sun
9. *New Song*
10. Lightning Crashes
11. She
12. TSUFL
13. *New Song*
14. Lakini's Juice
15. Pain Lies on the Riverside
16. Unsheathed
17. *New Song*
18. Overcome
19. Pillar of Davidson
20. White, Discussion

If they came out with something like that people would shit a brick with excitement.

...

You stole my brain - - I do agree with Nick that they HAVE to play some songs:

Lightning Crashes, White Discussion, Lakini's Juice, Operation Spirit, Dolphin's Cry, Overcome & Heaven.

I believe that All Over You and Selling the drama should be interchangeable - we don't need both every night 20 years on from throwing copper! Probly TSUFL/RTTW/Walk the line are too. So those and you have 9 certainties - why can't they play songs like Sun, Sparkle, Century, Ghost, Pillar of Davidson, Out to dry, Night of Nights, Take my anthem/good pain??? Its not like they are hard to play???

And with a new CD I agree that they should play as much new material as possible - using concerts to advertise the new stuff, are they not proud to play their new material???

Lastly, with Ed. Acoustically, he could easily play any song from PLOTR to Century to dance with you to everytime I see your face to 'mystery/Get ready' to 'call me a fool' or 'the distance' why not TRY a DIFFERENT ONE EACH NIGHT FOR CRYING OUT LOUD - you know how cool that would be!!! Who cares if he stuffs up - it makes sense to USE the HUGE catalogue of songs that LIVE has - unless songs like SUN are too much of a challenge...

[Pokey]

And the fact that they have such a huge catalogue of songs and just dont dip into them always gives me off the vibe that they don't like them/aren't proud of them etc ... it's sad really, so many good songs going to waste.

[Badman]

14. Tired of Me

I don't think Ed can sing Tired of Me anymore.. he doesn't have the voice for it.

Very good post Pokey... Sparkle, She, and Where Fishes Go would be fantastic live. I think Bring the People together, Lighthouse, and The Ride are cool additions too and would be more welcome than Mirror song, Lightning Crashes, and Overcome for the fan. Those songs, while really good in studio, fall flat on stage. Especially Mirror song... gah.