Ed Campaigning for Barack Obama Options

[Badman]

Very interesting. Could work, too, but it's a big radical change - unlikely to be made by anyone, purely because they wouldn't get voted in if they were rooting to do that stuff. And although I don't jump to agree with the legalization of all drugs, I certainly don't curl my toes at the thought, it's an intruiging proposition, especially with the notion of taxing legalized drug sales.

Merica, He is basically preaching the main points of a congressman who was trying to win the nomination named Ron Paul. All the ideas exist just said are fine ideas but they are ideals. You are right about the not getting voted in, he failed to gain support. This was foolish of the republicans because Economics was all Ron Paul had and he STOMPS McCain in that department. I still agree with everything exist says but I have moved on past Ron Paul to the next best thing.

Unrelated but...

Europe Powers mock Palin as a laughable candidate.

Still don't know why I am even posting in here...

Cnn.com has Obama at 277 Electoral Votes and McCain at 174, you need 270 to win.

Florida is polling 49% Obama, 45% McCain 6% Unsure, just like last time when Bush won there.

McCain has spent 230 Million while Obama is at 454 Million. Nearly twice as much. More spending means victory most of the time.

And Finally, National poll at Cnn.com

Poll

Obama 50% McCain 42%

Go ahead, get in the lines with the christians and vote for "God's only Party" I'm sure McCain will win in 19 days anyway.

[Existentialist]

Unfortunately Badman is incapable of seeing beyond party politics and just can't understand why someone might vote for McCain even though he doesn't believe in most of what McCain stands for. I still think McCain is going to win thanks to my friends at Diebold.

As for preaching what Ron Paul thinks, perhaps I just have somewhat similar ideas to the guy? Ron Paul isn't about to legalize all drugs, just end the war on drugs. It's not like he has crazy ideas as he merely wants to follow what our constitution calls for, so if these ideas seem crazy to you then that should indicate how much we've gone off the course laid out for us by our founding fathers.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Oct 16 2008, 6:12 pm

[Hoodstock]

I'm interested in this wild liberal agenda of yours; care to share it, Ex?

It starts with pretty much abolishing most federal programs except for those related to national defense.

Wow! That's so far left I think you'd go all the way around to the right side.

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Oct 16 2008, 7:27 pm

[swami]

You know...it's strange...I'm a bit torn here. Ex has been something of a dick to me, and has been a fully certified dick to many others. He's proven himself AS A PERSON to be extremely cold-hearted, rude, uncaring, inconsiderate, and generally dislikeable. HOWEVER.....I partly agree with him on his political standpoints. First of all, I should make it clear that I support Obama, even though I'm a Canadian and will only be a spectator on voting day. So, right off the bat, Ex is McCain and I'm Obama. But, even though he's voting for the bad guy, I have to give him props for some of his views. I've only read the last 3 pages of this thread, so I don't know if what he's been saying over the past day or two is entirely contradictory to the earlier posts, or if it's genuine.

I would like to see the war on drugs ended. A person's body is THEIR FUCKING BODY, and if they want to do something to it, then they should be able to do that. Provided, of course, that what they're doing isn't having a negative impact on those who care for them. I strongly believe in responsible drug use. There are users and there are abusers. A conscious, reasonably intelligent person can CHOOSE to engage in occasional, or even frequent recreational use of psychoactive substances without it crossing the line and becoming a problem. I'm not advocating being able to drop hits of LSD at work or anything, but outside of an environment where you have a certain responsibility that would otherwise be inhibited... I say it's your choice. Frankly, if I want to go into the wilderness and collect psilocybin-containing mushrooms, bring them home, dry them, bring them to an outdoor folk music festival, eat them, and have an exciting and spiritually stimulating time, all the while not bothering a SOUL, I think the government and the police and the law ought not to have a fucking say in the process. Next they'll be criminalizing Wii Sports because it's fun and people get hurt when you're not careful about your backswing. Yes, I support legalizing drugs. Not so that they're easier to obtain, but so that responsible users don't have to dodge ridiculous laws that disallow them from making a choice that should already be free to begin with.

Other things, which I'll only touch on briefly:

-The War in Iraq: Pointless. War at all, in any form: Pointless. Get the fuck out of land that isn't yours, stop killing them and yourselves. Go home. Don't fuck up again. Assholes.

-Health care: Not too sure what to think of it in terms of the US. All I know is that I'm far better off up here.

-Guns: Hire competent law enforcement. No civilian needs a gun. Period. It's impossible to get guns out of the hands of a criminal, simply because the technology isn't all the difficult. But, EVERY GUN-OWNING CITIZEN IS SIMPLY A CITIZEN UNTIL THEY INTENTIONALLY KILL SOMEONE! If we could ALL own guns, we would NOT be safer. Guns can be a complicated issue to tackle, because yes, of course they CAN be used usefully to stop something from getting out of hand. We've read about stories of mall shootings where the gunman kills off two people, but then gets a bullet to the head by a citizen with a concealed gun. So, we've prevented a bigger tragedy by not allowing the spree shooter to take out more people. But, this shit wouldn't have happened in the first place if we didn't sensationalize and glorify THE GUN! Simply put, some people out there are fucked up enough to go kill a bunch of highschool students and then fire that final shot into their own head. But....these types of incidents have SKYROCKETED since we started making them the big headline. Everytime some lonely motherfucker walks into an exam room and kills 20 or so people, we have to make him the top story. Naturally, the other terminally screwed up people out there will see this as an opportunity to be the big story. It's contagious. Sadly, the American public LOVES getting gruesome stories. Well, start reporting something of love and of human acts of kindness. I know in my heart that love is more infectious than hatred. Let's start glorifying some of THAT.

-Miracle by Stuart Davis is really good.

Did I get off topic?

This post has been edited by swami: Oct 16 2008, 8:20 pm

[Existentialist]

Wow! That's so far left I think you'd go all the way around to the right side.

I said it depends on how you define liberal. If you define being "liberal" as voting for a good old boy party as big as the republicans known as the democrats, then I pity you. That is liberal only in name, not in thought. Liberal in thought is being willing to abolish all federal programs, abolish all federal income tax, and legalize all drugs, three things that would be massively huge benefits to this country.

[Existentialist]

As for Swami, I am too lazy to quote and pick apart your post, but in general I find it difficult to believe you have the ideals you say yet you support Obama. Maybe you should check out their websites because I think your ideas align more with McCain's.

I'm glad you pointed out that your health care is better than ours, because most people here think ours is far superior. It's a forgone conclusion that we have better and more cutting edge technology here, but thanks to your single payer system, yours is not the cocksucking financial mess ours is and care is just as, if not more available. It's what we need to do, and neither Obama or McCain has ideas even close to it.

[Badman]

I think your ideas align more with McCain's.

... McCain is Pro War, Anti-drug, Pro gun, and would prefer to keep our health care system the same but give us more help financially. How is that anything like what Swami said??

I do agree with all the issues Swami brought up except guns, Until we get a constitutional amendment on guns we should be able to keep guns. I don't own a gun, never used one, don't plan to.

[Existentialist]

He described views on two points, one on the war and one on guns. You guys do realize that the vast majority of the spending and damage from this war is done right? It doesn't really matter who we elect in terms of the war. McCain's views on guns are much more like Swami's on guns.

[Distance to Me]

It starts with pretty much abolishing most federal programs except for those related to national defense. The rest can and should be handled by the states. Our income tax should be abolished and replaced with a heavy consumption tax. All drugs should be legalized, the war on drugs ended, and all that money plus tax on legalized drug sales dumped into rehab programs. Just for starters.

We should hang out more.

[Distance to Me]

House, like most other medical shows, is generally full of shit. None of the cases is true to real life and it's bogus. His bedside manner is horrible, too!
Doctors stay in school until they finish medical school. There are some people in my class who will be over age 35 when they graduate. Fortunately, I will turn 26 two days before I graduate.

Yea we should definitely hang out more

[Existentialist]

Hmm, well you're not too far if you're in southern Ga.

[Wambangalang]

is there something gay happening here right now?

[swami]

is there something gay happening here right now?

Nope. McCain wouldn't allow that.

[Existentialist]

I think there definitely is, thankfully I live across state lines.

[Badman]

I think there definitely is, thankfully I live across state lines.

If McCain gets elected will we not be able to be gay across state lines?