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[sogno]

Ultimately, people need to be less concerned with politics and more concerned with trying to get us out of the shit we as a race of selfish human beings have caused.

Anyway, I reckon this stuff is fact. We have bigger things to worry about that who gets voted into power.

And for the record....I don't like Obama. I don't care if is he's black, white, purple or green, his slimey smile makes me shudder.

I agree with you, but it seems to me politics are more important than ever. People seem to focus on all the bad stuff about politics- but there is so much organization and layers of organization that are necessary to live in the world with the global market and if we didn't have already placed systems the world would be chaos. As the globe becomes more interconnected we need even better interconnected government to reflect and organize this. A lot of people are starting to recognize this and care which is good. It seems if we were to turn things around it would be due to a largely more effective political system(s) that span the world. It would help relieve tensions between groups of people that inhibit their ability to get along.

[Hoodstock]

I agree with you, but it seems to me politics are more important than ever. People seem to focus on all the bad stuff about politics- but there is so much organization and layers of organization that are necessary to live in the world with the global market and if we didn't have already placed systems the world would be chaos. As the globe becomes more interconnected we need even better interconnected government to reflect and organize this. A lot of people are starting to recognize this and care which is good. It seems if we were to turn things around it would be due to a largely more effective political system(s) that span the world. It would help relieve tensions between groups of people that inhibit their ability to get along.

It's understandable that people state they don't like politics and don't care for people running but the fact is that politics exists and politicians control how our world operates, relates, and functions. I feel that it's a shamed that so many people simply disregard something that directly effects their lives and the lives of everyone around the world.

Regardless of what you think about either candidate, or both, it is extremely important that you do your research and make an informed decision on who you vote for.

I'm a firm believer in the fact that if you do not vote for the candidate you feel will do the better job you are actually casting a vote for the other.

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Sep 7 2008, 9:46 am

[Existentialist]

It's understandable that people state they don't like politics and don't care for people running but the fact is that politics exists and politicians control how our world operates, relates, and functions. I feel that it's a shamed that so many people simply disregard something that directly effects their lives and the lives of everyone around the world.

Regardless of what you think about either candidate, or both, it is extremely important that you do your research and make an informed decision on who you vote for.

I'm a firm believer in the fact that if you do not vote for the candidate you feel will do the better job you are actually casting a vote for the other.

Politics is a complete waste of time. I find it somewhat interesting, as most people do, but by no means do I think that my thoughts or my votes count for anything. Most people have absolutely no idea how the government operates, have no idea what the candidates really believe in, and have no concept that it's all just a show. Look at the last eight years of U.S. history. We had two stolen elections, the first of which revealed unbelievable, criminal actions on the part of numerous government officials and an unconstitutional, completely bogus ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court, and the second of which revealed how easy it is to avoid such a mess by just manipulating the votes electronically. Neither caused any significant protest. We engaged in a war that is completely unconstitutional, was not protested by most until years after the damage was done, and have seen the economy tank and the cost of living soar without any demonstrable protest whatsoever. If you think the American people are more than sheep who are forced to love Big Brother, I pity you. Your vote is likely completely misinformed and counts for nothing. I guarantee you the election has already been decided.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Sep 7 2008, 11:13 am

[Badman]

If you think the American people are more than sheep who are forced to love Big Brother, I pity you.

Exactly... the average person is so drowned in football and reality television that they don't even know who their representative is. I have a real dismal view of the average american as does the rest of the world. Everyone around me says I am a nut but it's good to see some people see the truth.

[Hoodstock]

Your vote is likely completely misinformed and counts for nothing.

I agree with you on many accounts but in this statement you are sadly mistaken.

By the way, politics is only a waste of time if you prioritize it as so. Sadly, most of the population does - which was my point. It is actually extremely important.

[Existentialist]

Great argument?

[Distance to Me]

Politics is a complete waste of time. I find it somewhat interesting, as most people do, but by no means do I think that my thoughts or my votes count for anything. Most people have absolutely no idea how the government operates, have no idea what the candidates really believe in, and have no concept that it's all just a show. Look at the last eight years of U.S. history. We had two stolen elections, the first of which revealed unbelievable, criminal actions on the part of numerous government officials and an unconstitutional, completely bogus ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court, and the second of which revealed how easy it is to avoid such a mess by just manipulating the votes electronically. Neither caused any significant protest. We engaged in a war that is completely unconstitutional, was not protested by most until years after the damage was done, and have seen the economy tank and the cost of living soar without any demonstrable protest whatsoever. If you think the American people are more than sheep who are forced to love Big Brother, I pity you. Your vote is likely completely misinformed and counts for nothing. I guarantee you the election has already been decided.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. But I disagree with your statement on voting, to an extent. If people vote, it (most likely) can't hurt your chances of getting the candidate you want. Unfortunately, I can't vote yet. But whatever.

This post has been edited by Distance to Me: Sep 9 2008, 3:17 pm

[Hoodstock]

Great debate last night. McCain is a tool!

[Existentialist]

I had better things to do than watch those two tards go at it, but from what I heard McCain pretty much dominated. Obama is undoubtedly a smart person, probably smarter than McCain, but his policies are just completely misguided. In this time of severe economic crisis, the last thing on Earth we need is the cocksucking epitome of a tax and spend Democrat, which is what Obama is.

[Badman]

a tax and spend Democrat

I used to think like that but then I actually looked to see how much Obama was going to tax. Tae a look at this graph...


Obama actually has lower taxes then Bush (.2 percent) which isn't much but puts him at the same as a pretty hardlined republican. McCain's plan looks horrible for the average person because he gives tax breaks to the richest brackets and save the lowest one 19 dollars. Rich people don't spend money, they invest outside the country in currencies that don't fall.

Cutting taxes for poor people is sound because they will buy Tvs, Rims, rap albums, and lotto tickets thus stimulating the american economy. I dunno about you guys but I think McCain has to cut more taxes to keep up with the Dems on this one.

[Existentialist]

The graph illustrates a great point -- that Obama's tax plan cuts taxes for everyone except the top 5% of the country. What it does not illustrate is what that top 5% represents. It represents the wealthiest American individuals, but mostly American small businesses set up as S corporations which represent 75% of the top 5%. So while Obama will indeed be soaking the rich, he'll mostly be soaking the most profitable small businesses, which create 75% of the new jobs in this country. Cutting taxes for the middle class doesn't do a whole lot of good when you rape the ones giving them jobs.

Also, I really disagree with you about the richest Americans investing overseas. What data do you have to support that? But then again, I'm arguing with a guy who thinks that the American economy will be stimulated by people buying rims and rap albums. If only everyone in this country had a credit card and the values of Master P -- we'd have averted this crisis altogether! I have smarter things to do, game over.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Sep 27 2008, 10:32 pm

[Badman]

Heh, thanks for giving a detailed response... timely too. I bet you would have gone pretty harsh on other board members had they posted.

I base my assumption that our richest spend outside the country because When money loses value the rich get hit the heaviest. They at least have their money in Euros or they are idiots. They may not be buying with those euros but when they aren't trading Euros for US dollars they are lowering the value even more.

It also seems to me that any big company would be foolish not to support McCain. I mean, they could spend 500000 dollars to get a Rep into office and they will still make more than they would lose on taxes under Obama. I know they can't give over a certain amount but Rich people can find ways to give money to sources if they want. I don't want my government under the thumb of corporations, they should do what is right for the average man instead of for the well off man.

Also, I may be jumping ship from this sinking boat soon... I think I want a bigger check come next year and maybe even free healthcare before I leave. I know it sounds short-sighted but voting with your feet works in this day and age.

[Existentialist]

Don't get me started on Obama's health care plan. It is single handedly the most unfair plan to doctors ever proposed. If he's elected, most people will be shocked by how many doctors move to cash only businesses and how insanely difficult it will be for people to find good health care. Obama's plan works when you make one assumption, that doctors are willing to work for whatever the government says. $100 says it's a bad assumption.

As for wealthy people either "having their money in Euros or being idiots," how about having money invested in real estate or gold? Money is so trivial -- it's just paper with ink on it ever since we abandoned the gold standard. It has no intrinsic value. Anyone entirely invested in things with no intrinsic value is an idiot.

I think it's pretty clear that I feel pretty strongly about Obama. I honestly don't like McCain, I hate Bush, and I don't like voting for Republicans, and as smart as I think Obama is as an individual, his policies won't help us at all.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Sep 27 2008, 11:22 pm

[Merica]

From what I can gather, both candidtates have certain policies that are good, but I don't support everything about them. They should merge to become one SUPER CANDIDATE! Jorrack McPain! Well, not really, but I'm serious about each candidate having good points.

I'm not the strongest on policits, so go easy on me if this is bull....BUT....the idea of tax cuts all around (by McCain) seems good to me because in this struggling econmy if people get taxed less, they have more money to spend, thus feeding back into the system? And that's good right? See I like that from McCain, it's good for the people he's supposed to be serving, BUT THEN he also has the backwards idea of banning abortion (save for special circumstances), which for me puts us back int he dark age. Not to mention the guy loves war, you know, those big expensive things that makes everybody else hate the US and results in lots of deaths lolz.

This post has been edited by Merica: Sep 28 2008, 3:58 am

[Badman]

I think Exist would agree with me that the evangelical social policies that the current republican party holds high are bringing them down. Sure, the evangelical vote is huge and the vote like sheep but they are against so many things...

Gay marriage
Stem Cells (!)
Abortions
Sex Education in school
Cloning
Marijuana

These things are backward to be against esp stem cells. To be fair, McCain is a fairly central dude so he always supports stem cell research which I actually like

This post has been edited by Badman: Sep 28 2008, 10:23 am