Ed Campaigning for Barack Obama Options

[Distance to Me]

I'm not aiming that at Existentialist (or however you spell it), he just made a post that made me wanna talk. I see he doesn't like Bush either, which is good. The republican party as a whole is just in a rut, and they aren't going anywhere.

[Existentialist]

Wow, this actually roused me to response. I am not a huge democrat, but it's for reasons like this that I absolutely detest the majority of republicans. It would've been fine if you said you didn't agree with Obama's views. I mean, you have your right to agree with McCain. But no, because he spent 6 years in a war prison, he's more qualified as a president? I don't hate McCain, but I hate republicans who support him for shit like that. I mean, they're all for torture, are they trying to make an army of presidential candidates?
I live in southern Georgia, and am the only liberal in sight. If you wave a flag in front of my neighbors faces, tell them you're a Christian, and tell them you're gay if you don't vote for them, they will vote for you. It makes me sick. I'm not a huge Obama fan, but if you ask me his views simply make more sense than McCain. One of them is going to lead our country. I'd pick the less painful poison.

I'm actually a registered Democrat, not religious at all and support gay rights. I also support a reasonable economic plan, lower taxes and a responsible health care plan, none of which Obama offers. His economic "plan" in the short term is to use the federal reserve as a piggy bank and just blow through money to try to get things going. Great idea. Every other time we instituted government protection against economic failure, it worked out great! See social security and Medicaid/Medicare for good examples.

Obama's health care plan is also extremely unreasonable to providers. Reimbursement will be cut dramatically and there will be little done in the way of tort reform. Most of the population who are not providers probably think this is OK, but wait until you are lined up for life saving surgery and there isn't a surgeon there because his reimbursement is so low he does only elective procedures anymore. Do you really want your care provided by the guy willing to accept the lowest bid?

Obama's policies all reek of the same shit. Dump on the smart, hard working, prosperous citizens and fork over the saved money to the lower class. What ever happened to a world where people took responsibility for their lives and didn't expect the government to bail them out? That's what McCain's policies somewhat reflect. Lower taxes, equal reimbursement and tort reform for health care providers, and a balanced budget sound good to me. All I hear from Obama is "peace" and "come together" which do nothing but try to hide his bullshit policies.

[Merica]

I mean, you have your right to agree with McCain. But no, because he spent 6 years in a war prison, he's more qualified as a president?

I must admit that whilst I find McCain's POW past as very admirable, I do actually wonder whether it further informs or compromises his judgement.

This post has been edited by Merica: Sep 2 2008, 4:00 pm

[Distance to Me]

I'm actually a registered Democrat, not religious at all and support gay rights. I also support a reasonable economic plan, lower taxes and a responsible health care plan, none of which Obama offers. His economic "plan" in the short term is to use the federal reserve as a piggy bank and just blow through money to try to get things going. Great idea. Every other time we instituted government protection against economic failure, it worked out great! See social security and Medicaid/Medicare for good examples.

Obama's health care plan is also extremely unreasonable to providers. Reimbursement will be cut dramatically and there will be little done in the way of tort reform. Most of the population who are not providers probably think this is OK, but wait until you are lined up for life saving surgery and there isn't a surgeon there because his reimbursement is so low he does only elective procedures anymore. Do you really want your care provided by the guy willing to accept the lowest bid?

Obama's policies all reek of the same shit. Dump on the smart, hard working, prosperous citizens and fork over the saved money to the lower class. What ever happened to a world where people took responsibility for their lives and didn't expect the government to bail them out? That's what McCain's policies somewhat reflect. Lower taxes, equal reimbursement and tort reform for health care providers, and a balanced budget sound good to me. All I hear from Obama is "peace" and "come together" which do nothing but try to hide his bullshit policies.

That's much better. As I said, I don't know anything about you, so I wasn't directing it at you at all.

[Existentialist]

That's much better. As I said, I don't know anything about you, so I wasn't directing it at you at all.

Glad I lived up to your expectations.

[Pokey]

Guys, I'm very concerned about McCain's running mate's daughter .. she's having a baby and she ISN'T MARRIED! This paints a very poor picture of John McCain and because of this girl having a baby out of wedlock I don't think McCain is fit to run the US. I myself know a friend who's former school mate is having a baby out of wedlock, because of that I don't think my loan is going to be approved.

[Hoodstock]

Oh yes, I forgot, Hoodie, how you guarded the troops through to Iraq to devastate a country and "protect" your tremendous homeland. Sorry, sir. Yes, sir. Fuck off, sir.

I believe you are assuming I supported this war. That would be incorrect in every way.

Um, how does he have anything to do with destroying Iraq? Not many of us stand behind our "leader." Democracy is outdated and stupid... it leaves us with cowboy presidents because the inbred hicks of the south breed like the dogs they have around their trailers. It's only when we can get a wedge issue to convince the retards to vote one way that we can make any progress. Unfortunately, those retards are also religious and afraid so the Republicans have been doing a great job of exploiting them.

~My view of America

Wow, this actually roused me to response. I am not a huge democrat, but it's for reasons like this that I absolutely detest the majority of republicans. It would've been fine if you said you didn't agree with Obama's views. I mean, you have your right to agree with McCain. But no, because he spent 6 years in a war prison, he's more qualified as a president? I don't hate McCain, but I hate republicans who support him for shit like that.

Sadly, most people who vote Republican are economically Democrats that don't really know why they are voting for the other party. I have to believe many have been brainwashed from birth by their own families. Just an assumption.

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Sep 3 2008, 7:24 pm

[Hoodstock]

Guys, I'm very concerned about McCain's running mate's daughter .. she's having a baby and she ISN'T MARRIED! This paints a very poor picture of John McCain and because of this girl having a baby out of wedlock I don't think McCain is fit to run the US. I myself know a friend who's former school mate is having a baby out of wedlock, because of that I don't think my loan is going to be approved.

Here's all you really need to see about McCain's running mate (who will probably be the president within 4 years if McCain is actually elected):

What does the VP do?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=006axc2aELE&feature=related

Palin's History - (Fair story that points out her positives and negatives as mayor. She's a typical republican)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#26529131

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Sep 3 2008, 7:36 pm

[+Ed+]

I believe you are assuming I supported this war. That would be incorrect in every way.

Awright

[Badman]

Obama's health care plan is also extremely unreasonable to providers.

It makes perfect sense that your salient issue is the health care thing b/c it is in your industry and will affect you the most. I hate universal health care... imagine if the poor could get health care... our doctors would be even more overworked than they currently are and they would probably earn less. I really don't see any point in it.

My salient issue is internet control. Obama has stated he does not agree with regulating the internet and McCain doesn't understand the internet so he probably wouldn't veto the law. I love my internet so I will vote for him this time around. Regulating the internet means you can't go to certain pages the government doesn't allow. Censorship would also occur so people can't post a video on youtube of police brutality or anti-gov things.

Exist pointed out the democrat's economic plan... I say that stopping the war is the first step towards a healthy budget and Reps aren't going to provide that. Dems in the past have actually been pretty fiscally responsible.

I really HOPE you guys are being sarcastic about the VP bashing and POW status comments. Those things DO NOT MATTER. They are stupid ploys to move the lowest common denominator. How weak of an argument do you have when you have to poke at the weaknesses of those around the enemy?

[Existentialist]

It makes perfect sense that your salient issue is the health care thing b/c it is in your industry and will affect you the most. I hate universal health care... imagine if the poor could get health care... our doctors would be even more overworked than they currently are and they would probably earn less. I really don't see any point in it.

The poor do get health care. It's a federal law that all providers must provide care to people who present to emergency rooms, and there are loads of free clinics and government sponsored programs that help people get what they need. Granted, it's not even close to what they need, but it's not like they don't get health care when they really need it.

My issue is not with Obama's wanting to provide health care for everyone, but just cutting Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement across the board which all private insurance companies will surely follow. What this country really needs to solve the health care problem is to move to a single payer system. I've thoroughly read up on this subject and say with supreme confidence that Obama and McCain both have shitty, idealistic plans that won't accomplish much of anything, so I might as well vote for the one who wants to protect doctors.

Exist pointed out the democrat's economic plan... I say that stopping the war is the first step towards a healthy budget and Reps aren't going to provide that. Dems in the past have actually been pretty fiscally responsible.

The damage done by the war is done. The contracts have been handed out, the bonds have been sold, we fucked ourselves, and it's done. Regardless of who is president, this war fucked us. Think of the candidates as independent of their parties, because they essentially are. Bush has spent like a Democrat and taxed like a Republican, Clinton spent like a Republican and taxed like a Democrat. Who cares what party they're from, so long as they have the right ideas. Obama is the fucking epitome of a tax and spend Democrat, and that's not what we need.

[sogno]

The poor do get health care. It's a federal law that all providers must provide care to people who present to emergency rooms, and there are loads of free clinics and government sponsored programs that help people get what they need. Granted, it's not even close to what they need, but it's not like they don't get health care when they really need it.

My issue is not with Obama's wanting to provide health care for everyone, but just cutting Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement across the board which all private insurance companies will surely follow. What this country really needs to solve the health care problem is to move to a single payer system. I've thoroughly read up on this subject and say with supreme confidence that Obama and McCain both have shitty, idealistic plans that won't accomplish much of anything, so I might as well vote for the one who wants to protect doctors.
The damage done by the war is done. The contracts have been handed out, the bonds have been sold, we fucked ourselves, and it's done. Regardless of who is president, this war fucked us. Think of the candidates as independent of their parties, because they essentially are. Bush has spent like a Democrat and taxed like a Republican, Clinton spent like a Republican and taxed like a Democrat. Who cares what party they're from, so long as they have the right ideas. Obama is the fucking epitome of a tax and spend Democrat, and that's not what we need.

I thought this was a pretty good post. I saw Bill Clinton speak in campaign for Hillary and he was talking about the ONLY way universal health care would actually work is if EVERYONE was covered in order to eliminate the taxpayer costs of covering those w/out insurance.
Insurance aside, I used to hate looking at Obama's cheesy smile but I think (and the more I dissociate him from Ed) he's actually growing on me. I think maybe his reaction among the people is more than just his charisma and bullshit factor and is a response of the people's own reflection of what they want to be. I still like Hillary a lot better, and I'm hoping she somehow makes it back in 2012 even though that's never happened (if Obama gets presidency) because I think she has huge potential (more so than Obama). I might be wrong here . But if you look at human development more people are responding to OBama for a reason, and he might be a good answer for now. But I've had to fight the urge to vote for Mccain, I just went to a conference where a number of people are into this change, human advancement and integral ideas (something Ed has been associated with) and some people had that gag factor with me that Ed has had with me and Obama. Some didn't, but those that did I know that they mean well in their own way but it's still hard to stomach. One in particular was one of the conference organizers, who made my gag reflex work overtime in a panel and when he spoke. Someone else at the conference was talking about how he exuded this aura that just so "drew her in." I know these people mean well so maybe it's a human phase that needs to take place, so maybe Obama is good? I don't know. I'll probably vote for him.

[ShadowStormEK]

As an outsider looking in from South Africa.....I've watched CNN....I've listened to both sides of the story. democrats and republicans.....they both have good points and bad. I have very good friends in the states and I care deeply about them and what happends to them.
I hate politics. But this is important. Coz guess what, it impacts on the whole world ultimately.

South Africa is in deep shit as it is....and I'm supposed to care that the 'majority' in this country are soon to vote a would be rapist into power as President of my own country. Big shit everywhere. All over the planet. Look at Russia and Georgia. Look at the floods in India. The earthquakes in China. Famine in third world countries. Disease. War.

Thing is....there is a bigger picture.... None of this matters. this is all human stuff.

Whether you vote for Mcain or Obama....fact of the matter is....in 4 years time....the planet is screwed anyway. Al Gore is right. He should have whipped Bush's ass. No one is doing a damn thing about climate change and mother nature has had enough.

Heard the date December 21st, 2012??????? The planet is going to revolt. there will be a pole reversal and there will be mass extinction of the entire planet. Those who survive...well....it'll be like starting over again.

Ultimately, people need to be less concerned with politics and more concerned with trying to get us out of the shit we as a race of selfish human beings have caused.

Watch these video links....we're screwed.

The ancient Mayans had a phenomenal calender that stopped dead on the 21st of December 2012. The I ching was callebrated from the date of it's conception until to the present time. 64 hexagrams, repeated 64 times, and guess what. The last hexegram stops smack bang on the 21st of December 2012. These current new web bot technologies indicate the same thing.

In 4 years, we're stuffed anyway. So we should be less concerned about politics, more concerned about universal love and protecting what's left of the planet we screwed up.

Backed by science, there is proof now of the black holes found in the milky way. There is Nasa proof that the milky way black hole will align with the sun and the planet guess when....in 2012. On december 21st. Something that only happens every 25 800 years. This will cause a pole shit/reversal. The mantel of the earth will shift from the core in a matter of days, causing world wide disaster. Tsunamis, earthquakes. Magnetic currents will spin in opposite directions. hell even Albert einstein suggested this in 1955. Did you know that the noth pole once rested at the equator???

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Anyway, I reckon this stuff is fact. We have bigger things to worry about that who gets voted into power.

And for the record....I don't like Obama. I don't care if is he's black, white, purple or green, his slimey smile makes me shudder.

This post has been edited by ShadowStormEK: Sep 4 2008, 12:16 pm

[Existentialist]

The only pole reversal set to take place on December 21, 2012 is when Hoodie's wife decides to take the pole out of his ass that she put there six years ago!

[Pokey]

As an outsider looking in from South Africa.....I've watched CNN....I've listened to both sides of the story. democrats and republicans.....they both have good points and bad. I have very good friends in the states and I care deeply about them and what happends to them.
I hate politics. But this is important. Coz guess what, it impacts on the whole world ultimately.

South Africa is in deep shit as it is....and I'm supposed to care that the 'majority' in this country are soon to vote a would be rapist into power as President of my own country. Big shit everywhere. All over the planet. Look at Russia and Georgia. Look at the floods in India. The earthquakes in China. Famine in third world countries. Disease. War.

Thing is....there is a bigger picture.... None of this matters. this is all human stuff.

Whether you vote for Mcain or Obama....fact of the matter is....in 4 years time....the planet is screwed anyway. Al Gore is right. He should have whipped Bush's ass. No one is doing a damn thing about climate change and mother nature has had enough.

Heard the date December 21st, 2012??????? The planet is going to revolt. there will be a pole reversal and there will be mass extinction of the entire planet. Those who survive...well....it'll be like starting over again.

Ultimately, people need to be less concerned with politics and more concerned with trying to get us out of the shit we as a race of selfish human beings have caused.

Watch these video links....we're screwed.

The ancient Mayans had a phenomenal calender that stopped dead on the 21st of December 2012. The I ching was callebrated from the date of it's conception until to the present time. 64 hexagrams, repeated 64 times, and guess what. The last hexegram stops smack bang on the 21st of December 2012. These current new web bot technologies indicate the same thing.

In 4 years, we're stuffed anyway. So we should be less concerned about politics, more concerned about universal love and protecting what's left of the planet we screwed up.

Backed by science, there is proof now of the black holes found in the milky way. There is Nasa proof that the milky way black hole will align with the sun and the planet guess when....in 2012. On december 21st. Something that only happens every 25 800 years. This will cause a pole shit/reversal. The mantel of the earth will shift from the core in a matter of days, causing world wide disaster. Tsunamis, earthquakes. Magnetic currents will spin in opposite directions. hell even Albert einstein suggested this in 1955. Did you know that the noth pole once rested at the equator???

video1

video2

video3

video4

video5

video6
Anyway, I reckon this stuff is fact. We have bigger things to worry about that who gets voted into power.

And for the record....I don't like Obama. I don't care if is he's black, white, purple or green, his slimey smile makes me shudder.

So .. are you saying that had Gore been voted in instead of Bush that somehow in 12 years he could have stopped the entire planet from shitting itself?

The 21st december 2012 thing is bullshit, no doubt that planet isn't exactly in pristine condition but to put a date on what would be armageddon is pretty stupid. Days/weeks/months whatever were created by humans and to think that nature abides by that is a bit much. To think that any candidate now or in the past few years could alter something you believe will happen in 4 years is to believe they're Jesus, if its all over in 4 years then it's unavoidable and we may as well start the raping and pillaging now! That being said, I dont think we'll really see anything huge or life altering happen to the planet in our life time, im not saying we shouldn't and couldn't start doing things to prevent or slow down disaster, but the panic merchants are going to have egg on their face when 22nd of December rolls around and they realise they gotta get up for work.