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[SJN1279]

Dude, we are Live fans. I don't think we should be calling anyone gay for liking other bands. Unless, of course, we're talking about Nick's addition to SFBM.

I don't think there is anything wrong with someone being gay. I teach a ton of students with that sexual preference and they are good people. Additions aside.

[SinfulEyes]

I don't think there is anything wrong with someone being gay. I teach a ton of students with that sexual preference and they are good people. Additions aside.

You're right. There is definately nothing wrong with being gay, just ask Steve.

But that's beside the point. The point is Live has turned into a bunch of sell-outs trying to write music tailored to 45 year old women and homosexuals.

[SJN1279]

I just heard the other Coldplay single, the one for Hot A/C stations. That song isn't half bad.

[PurdueSteve]

You're right. There is definately nothing wrong with being gay, just ask Steve.

But that's beside the point. The point is Live has turned into a bunch of sell-outs trying to write music tailored to 45 year old women and homosexuals.

Writing music that is tailored for 18 year old frat boys like yourself isn't selling out though?

The guys are in their middle to upper 30s, I doubt they are tailoring their music to anyone. This isn't a new phenomena. Ignorant fuckwads like yourself were making he same complaints with Metallica and many other bands in the past.

People get older, their personalities, attitudes and demeanor change with time. A 40 year old Ed with the angst of a 20 year old wouldn't work well either. Live did what they did and it was great.

One day when your balls drop, you'll understand.

[PurdueSteve]

Dude, we are Live fans. I don't think we should be calling anyone gay for liking other bands. Unless, of course, we're talking about Nick's addition to SFBM.

Ex was quoting a movie dumbass.

You two are the only tag teaming butt buddies on this board but yet you call other people gay?

[LiveRoCkS77]

Writing music that is tailored for 18 year old frat boys like yourself isn't selling out though?

The guys are in their middle to upper 30s, I doubt they are tailoring their music to anyone. This isn't a new phenomena. Ignorant fuckwads like yourself were making he same complaints with Metallica and many other bands in the past.

People get older, their personalities, attitudes and demeanor change with time. A 40 year old Ed with the angst of a 20 year old wouldn't work well either. Live did what they did and it was great.

One day when your balls drop, you'll understand.

That's the biggest load of shit I've EVER heard. I don't give a fuck how old somebody gets, it has not a single thing to do with their creative abilities.

Because the guy has kids now means the band is no longer capable of writing good music? Lots of musicians age and their music is still creative and technically sound. Live resorting to 3 chord acoustic melodies is fucking ridiculous and there's no excuse for it. The music is uninspired and lazy. Nothing challenging or even decent sounding coming from ANY OF THEM. All boring 3 minute poor attempts at pop crap.

Getting older doesn't mean you completely stop trying to explore what you can do with your instruments.

[Existentialist]

Ex was quoting a movie dumbass.

You two are the only tag teaming butt buddies on this board but yet you call other people gay?

Go home to fatty!

[SinfulEyes]

Ex was quoting a movie dumbass.

You two are the only tag teaming butt buddies on this board but yet you call other people gay?

Settle down, faggot.

[Senghe]

You're right. There is definately nothing wrong with being gay, just ask Steve.

But that's beside the point. The point is Live has turned into a bunch of sell-outs trying to write music tailored to 45 year old women and homosexuals.

I thought proper homosexuals only liked disco, dance music and Cher?

I'm just gay as in happy. Which causes a bit of conflict with being Emo. I cut my wrists and laugh while I'm doing it.

By the way and gloriously off on a tangent, did anybody see that court case going on about the Greek island of Lesbos? The inhabitants complain it infringes their human rights that they can't call themselves Lesbians without being thought of as, well, lesbians. The men especially don't like toe be thought of as homosexual women. They need to get over themselves - you don't see the inhabitants of the Orkney town of Twatt getting upset at other people being called twats, do you?

[PurdueSteve]

That's the biggest load of shit I've EVER heard. I don't give a fuck how old somebody gets, it has not a single thing to do with their creative abilities.

Because the guy has kids now means the band is no longer capable of writing good music? Lots of musicians age and their music is still creative and technically sound. Live resorting to 3 chord acoustic melodies is fucking ridiculous and there's no excuse for it. The music is uninspired and lazy. Nothing challenging or even decent sounding coming from ANY OF THEM. All boring 3 minute poor attempts at pop crap.

Getting older doesn't mean you completely stop trying to explore what you can do with your instruments.

That's not what I meant. Getting older doesn't stop what you can do with your instruments, nor does it mean you're capable of writing good music. I'm just saying that it's natural for styles and attitudes to change as a person goes from being a teenager to an adult raising his own kids. Live was their best when they were in their early 20s. The guys can't be in their early 20's ever again. Their age, their experience, their lives up until that point made them what they were.

They may try to get "harder" or "crunchier" on a future album but it very well could be forced and come off as an album as bad as SFBM or BOP. [I personally think those two are lives worse albums but they really aren't bad, just Live's worst].

I don't think the music is uninspired in SFBM or other late work. The inspiration has changed greatly. I alone and Lightning Crashes are both 3-chord melodies among many other great Live songs that are "simple" melodies. SFBM/BOP are no different than any other Live album in terms of chord complexity.

This post has been edited by PurdueSteve: Jun 13 2008, 8:02 am

[LiveRoCkS77]

That's not what I meant. Getting older doesn't stop what you can do with your instruments, nor does it mean you're capable of writing good music. I'm just saying that it's natural for styles and attitudes to change as a person goes from being a teenager to an adult raising his own kids. Live was their best when they were in their early 20s. The guys can't be in their early 20's ever again. Their age, their experience, their lives up until that point made them what they were.

They may try to get "harder" or "crunchier" on a future album but it very well could be forced and come off as an album as bad as SFBM or BOP. [I personally think those two are lives worse albums but they really aren't bad, just Live's worst].

I don't think the music is uninspired in SFBM or other late work. The inspiration has changed greatly. I alone and Lightning Crashes are both 3-chord melodies among many other great Live songs that are "simple" melodies. SFBM/BOP are no different than any other Live album in terms of chord complexity.

Yes, yes they are. I understand your point, but I'm not going to argue chord complexity with you here. It's a waste of my time, it's like night and day so....

Has nothing to do with "forcing." It has to do with progression. The actual written construction of recent work is so poor it's laughable that anybody would actually agree to produce it. Nothing to do with being harder or crunchier neither. It's about jamming the fuck out and exploring new territory all around. It's about expanding on something they were working towards once with SS. CREATIVITY. SFBM has none of it. I could have written that music although I'd be embarassed by it. There is nothing inspiring about it whatsoever. To say it has changed is an excuse. It's lame and lazy is what it is.

Some of Live's music like the songs you mentioned have three chord melodies, but what you fail to recognize is that those melodies were good. Both songs contained great fucking bridges that drew people into the songs. Both songs explode into something MUCH better. Both songs were well written and both songs, Ed sings like a rock singer instead of like a guy who has been kicked in the nuts too many times. So please don't insult my intelligence with these two vastly different types of work. Next time you want to make that comparison, try including all of the important variables you forgot to mention. Like song structure maybe? LOOOOOOOOOL

This post has been edited by LiveRoCkS77: Jun 13 2008, 9:45 am

[Pokey]

You know i kinda likes that one coldplay songh tyou know the one that isnt shit .. oh yea thats rIGHT THEY ALL ARE shit"

[Pokey]

snd should i try to compose myself and actually read the thread .. musicians age has nothing to do with their creativity, or at least it shouldn't .... two bands i compare quite heavily are Live and Ween .. they're both from PA, both bands are about the same age and yet Ween manage to keep uping the ante every single albumb with interesting beats, they tour the world sdoing 3hr + shows a night with COMPLETELY different setlists each night, both bands are full of fathers now, yet somehow Ween stays one step ahead of live .. they never had that massive platform of succsess that Live had in the mid 90s the cling to and weirdly I see Ween as being the more relevant band now commercially, you cant blame live for neglecting the band due to extracuricular work, Ween's members run their own fishing show, run their own websites, play in numerous other bands (Moistboyz, Queens of the stone age etc..) etc..

Lets face it, live have just gotten lazy. There is no reason they cant be putting in the effort that other bands in their age and situation have done, it's got nothing to do with age, only attitude.

Whatever, im hungry now.

[LiveRoCkS77]

snd should i try to compose myself and actually read the thread .. musicians age has nothing to do with their creativity, or at least it shouldn't .... two bands i compare quite heavily are Live and Ween .. they're both from PA, both bands are about the same age and yet Ween manage to keep uping the ante every single albumb with interesting beats, they tour the world sdoing 3hr + shows a night with COMPLETELY different setlists each night, both bands are full of fathers now, yet somehow Ween stays one step ahead of live .. they never had that massive platform of succsess that Live had in the mid 90s the cling to and weirdly I see Ween as being the more relevant band now commercially, you cant blame live for neglecting the band due to extracuricular work, Ween's members run their own fishing show, run their own websites, play in numerous other bands (Moistboyz, Queens of the stone age etc..) etc..

Lets face it, live have just gotten lazy. There is no reason they cant be putting in the effort that other bands in their age and situation have done, it's got nothing to do with age, only attitude.

Whatever, im hungry now.

My point exactly, thank you.

By that reasoning, we would have never had great music from many aging musicians. I can start naming the artists and bands here if you'd like. I think the list would be long enough to fill about 50 pages in this thread.

[Pokey]

My point exactly, thank you.

Good! I'm glad im not the only one who's hungry around here!