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[+Ed+]

Ed, don't even bother with him. It's entirely pointless trying to reason with a retard.

You'll always get the same response...." Blugh ach blech buh TIMMY! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still hope for the best... But heaven sees it is pointless


Guys, you are having such a discussion here, while I doubt that in a musical manner you can hardly compare the two bands. Different music styles, different topics, different countries, different audiences. It is hardly possible to compare them. I mean it.

For those who wonder, I find Radiohead one of the most creative and brilliant bands of our times. And no. I do not listen to them.

[Badman]

For those who wonder, I find Radiohead one of the most creative and brilliant bands of our times. And no. I do not listen to them.

That's how I feel about NIN... The only albums I bought were pretty hate machine, Ghosts, and I borrowed Fragile Left for 2 songs. They are creative... but not in the way I like a band to be.

[Joi]

Wow it's neurology for super dummies. There are so many different types of aphasias you could fill thousands of books without properly describing the phenomena. I wouldn't put too much stock in an article on language and the brain that's written by someone with a fucking B.A. in literature.

"A wide variety of neurological and emotional conditions can affect a person's ability to speak and lead to excessive swearing. For example, people with various forms of aphasia lose the ability to speak or to pronounce words because of damage or disease in parts of the brain that govern language."


You'll notice it was not claimed the author was a neurologist, psychologist, or sociologist for that matter. The article was about swearing in communication and how brain damage can affect swearing in communication; using aphasia as one example, not the causes of aphasia. Nor is it claimed that aphasia is the only neurological or EMOTIONAL condition that contributes to swearing in communication. An non-fictional article would be within the scope of a B.A. in Literature.

[Pokey]

"A wide variety of neurological and emotional conditions can affect a person's ability to speak and lead to excessive swearing. For example, people with various forms of aphasia lose the ability to speak or to pronounce words because of damage or disease in parts of the brain that govern language."
You'll notice it was not claimed the author was a neurologist, psychologist, or sociologist for that matter. The article was about swearing in communication and how brain damage can affect swearing in communication; using aphasia as one example, not the causes of aphasia. Nor is it claimed that aphasia is the only neurological or EMOTIONAL condition that contributes to swearing in communication. An non-fictional article would be within the scope of a B.A. in Literature.

FUCK!

[Joi]

FUCK!

I think the key word was "excessive". Damnit.

[Pokey]

I think the key word was "excessive". Damnit.

FUCKIN' FUCK IT!

[Joi]

[Existentialist]

You'll notice it was not claimed the author was a neurologist, psychologist, or sociologist for that matter. The article was about swearing in communication and how brain damage can affect swearing in communication; using aphasia as one example, not the causes of aphasia. Nor is it claimed that aphasia is the only neurological or EMOTIONAL condition that contributes to swearing in communication. An non-fictional article would be within the scope of a B.A. in Literature.

I never said she claimed to be anything, just that she has no business writing about language and the brain. Non fiction can be within the scope of someone with a BA in literature, but since all of medicine is non fiction, is she qualified to be a doctor? I've never heard of swearing being a symptom of any type of aphasia and a quick literature search revealed nothing. I suspect she found some bullshit article somewhere that mentioned it and took it as gospel, which is not surprising since her degree in no way qualifies her to review scientific literature. So swear on, fuckfaces!

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Mar 27 2008, 12:26 pm

[Joi]

I never said she claimed to be anything, just that she has no business writing about language and the brain. Non fiction can be within the scope of someone with a BA in literature, but since of all of medicine is non fiction, is she qualified to be a doctor? I've never heard of swearing being a symptom of any type of aphasia and a quick literature search revealed nothing. I suspect she found some bullshit article somewhere that mentioned it and took it as gospel, which is not surprising since her degree in no way qualifies her to review scientific literature. So swear on, fuckfaces!

That's odd, I go to the National Aphasia Association website and they mention it here: http://www.aphasia.org/naa_materials/when_...pts_speech.html Maybe you should do your research properly before condemning other people's research.

"Non fiction can be within the scope of someone with a BA in literature, but since of all of medicine is non fiction, is she qualified to be a doctor?"

No, and I did not imply that it did. But it does make her qualified to WRITE an article of non-fiction, whether you agree with her or not.

This post has been edited by Joi: Mar 27 2008, 12:36 pm

[Existentialist]

I hardly call a Google search and subsequent finding of the National Aphasia Association's website "proper research." They refer to aphasias as "aphasia" as if it's one disorder! There are so many types of aphasias that anyone with a clue would know that the article is dumbed down to a degree that distorts the real meaning of the collection of disorders they refer to as "aphasia." Then again, I wouldn't expect more of you since you think the first article is proper. Multiple searches I ran through PubMed and the NIH revealed nothing.

Dementia, on the other hand, does often cause people to say inappropriate things, and aphasias can be secondary to dementias. However, no true aphasia causes it.

Having a BA in literature also does not qualify someone to write about medicine, just like having an MD does not qualify someone to write about the intricacies of a novel. If you want to write about medicine and be taken seriously, you should have extensive training in medicine, and she has none.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Mar 27 2008, 12:48 pm

[Badman]

Listen to anything off of Kid A.

Kid A was The best album album I have listened to this year since Arcade Fire's Neon Bible. I have probably consumed 20 albums this year so it's a big thing.

Kid A is like "The Wall" for our generation. Off the first listen, The Wall is still better, but in the future who knows? How to disappear completely and Idioteque were epic, Idioteque was the closest thing to a progressive song that one could dance to which NEVER happens. Not one bad song on the album, the song I like the least would be... um... Motion picture soundtrack? That song still kicks ass though


Thanks for pointing me to this album, it is truly art.

[Joi]

I hardly call a Google search and subsequent finding of the National Aphasia Association's website "proper research." They refer to aphasias as "aphasia" as if it's one disorder! There are so many types of aphasias that anyone with a clue would know that the article is dumbed down to a degree that distorts the real meaning of the collection of disorders they refer to as "aphasia."

If you move beyond the page I directed you to, and read more on the website, they mention several different types of aphasia, as well as multiple other conditions it may be confused with or accompanied by. And she did not claim aphasia was the ONLY condition that could be accompanied by excessive swearing, it was the one she used as an EXAMPLE.

Then again, I wouldn't expect more of you since you think the first article is proper. Multiple searches I ran through PubMed and the NIH revealed nothing. Dementia, on the other hand, does often cause people to say inappropriate things, and aphasias can be secondary to dementias. However, no true aphasia causes it.

PubMed search brought up this article: Automatic or non-propositional speech, which includes not only song lyrics but also prayers and swearing, is usually preserved in non-fluent aphasia (Ryding, et al., 1987; Speedie et al., 1993; Blank et al., 2002; Van Lancker-Sidtis, 2004).
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/129/10/2571


So, again, NO aphasia is not the only condition that can be accompanied by excessive swearing, she is not a doctor, and try to research better before you pick on other people's research.


Oh, apologies to l_oiseau_rouge for hijacking the thread.

This post has been edited by Joi: Mar 27 2008, 1:46 pm

[Existentialist]

If you move beyond the page I directed you to, and read more on the website, they mention several different types of aphasia, as well as multiple other conditions it may be confused with or accompanied by. And she did not claim aphasia was the ONLY condition that could be accompanied by excessive swearing, it was the one she used as an EXAMPLE.
PubMed search brought up this article: Automatic or non-propositional speech, which includes not only song lyrics but also prayers and swearing, is usually preserved in non-fluent aphasia (Ryding, et al., 1987; Speedie et al., 1993; Blank et al., 2002; Van Lancker-Sidtis, 2004).
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/129/10/2571
So, again, NO aphasia is not the only condition that can be accompanied by excessive swearing, she is not a doctor, and try to research better before you pick on other people's research.

Nice try. I mean that sincerely, too. However, I never argued that aphasics don't have the ability to swear, which is all the article you reference says. Sure the ability to swear can be preserved, but where does it say that any aphasia leads to "excessive swearing" that you and the original article mentioned? You're right that aphasics can retain the ability to swear, but that wasn't your original argument.

[Merica]

Ex; you're completely wrong, absolutely and totally incorrect. I know this because I got an A in Maths....

[Joi]

Nice try. I mean that sincerely, too. However, I never argued that aphasics don't have the ability to swear, which is all the article you reference says. Sure the ability to swear can be preserved, but where does it say that any aphasia leads to "excessive swearing" that you and the original article mentioned? You're right that aphasics can retain the ability to swear, but that wasn't your original argument.

My original point was that there was excessive swearing in the post I was quoting. Excessive - exceeding what is usual, proper, necessary. The article I originally quoted used aphasia as ONE example of a condition that could cause or be accompanied by "excessive" swearing. So I guess the real argument would be what's "excessive"? If an aphasiac wouldn't normally swear, wouldn't any swearing be "excessive"? Aphasics' automatic speech can include swear words, numbers, lyrics, "um", "er" and other placeholders (from multiple articles I read today, more than I ever thought I would). So they could also excessively be repeating numbers.

The part of the article I originally quoted and found most amusing was this:
"In addition, the use of expletives can:
Express trust and intimacy (mostly when women swear in the presence of other women)"

Oh, yeah me and my girlfriends run around swearing at each other all the time.

As an aside- good debating skills.

This post has been edited by Joi: Mar 27 2008, 3:05 pm