The Dam at Otter Creek live, when? Options

[Joi]

NO, OK Computer had 2 songs that YOU LIKED. The entire album was excellent, amongst the best recorded over the past 20 years. Song by song the album is just fantastic, you're just not mature enough to appreciate it. Don't bother listening to them because its an insult to the band.

Go back to jerking of to your la da da da's of the shitty fucking river. The more shit I hear come from your mouth, the more I'm convinced that you're actually somewhat retarded. It's no wonder the world is as fucked as it is with brain dead zombie fucking morons walking around everywhere.

Radiohead kicks Live's fucking ass plain and simple. Their music is a trillion times more creative and progressive. They're more consistent, the music contains meaning and emotion to this day and is still relevant. While you're still convinced that Transmit Your Love is good guitar work. Go listen to Mystery and tell me how good it is, fucking retard. Jesus, just quit posting already. Your stupid fanboy ass is making me wanna puke.

Swearing and Brain Damage
A wide variety of neurological and emotional conditions can affect a person's ability to speak and lead to excessive swearing. For example, people with various forms of aphasia lose the ability to speak or to pronounce words because of damage or disease in parts of the brain that govern language. Many aphasics retain the ability to produce automatic speech, which often consists of conversational placeholders like "um" and "er." Aphasics' automatic speech can include swear words -- in some cases, patients can't create words or sentences, but they can swear. Also, the ability to pronounce other words can change and evolve during recovery, while pronunciation and use of swearwords remains unchanged.

Damage to any area of the brain can affect the way the brain functions. Damage to areas that process language can lead to aphasia.

In addition, the use of expletives can:

Establish a group identity
Establish membership in a group and maintain the group's boundaries
Express solidarity with other people
Express trust and intimacy (mostly when women swear in the presence of other women)
Add humor, emphasis or "shock value"
Attempt to camouflage a person's fear or insecurity
People also swear because they feel they are expected to or because swearing has become a habit. But just because swearing plays all these roles doesn't mean it's socially acceptable, or even legal.

-Tracy V. Wilson. "How Swearing Works". November 30, 2005 http://people.howstuffworks.com/swearing.htm (March 26, 2008)

[Badman]

There may be a few Zep songs that rank up there with it

Songs like High and Dry and Fake Plastic Trees are just gorgeous. The latter being one of the most emotion provoking songs I've ever come across, utterly beautiful. I love The Bends as an opener too with it's catch guitar and changes of pace.

I listened to The Bends and I think it blows OK Computer away. High and Dry, Just, and Nice Dream are my favourites but there is very little I disliked about The Bends... well... the cover is a little weird

We've been over this before, "Better" is entirely subjective. In terms of musical ability, Live and Radiohead are nothing. If musical ability is taken into account, classical music would still be at the forefront of pop culture. Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet Overture is awesome and shows alot more thought than what Live has done.

In my opinion, even classic rock musicians stomp Live and Radiohead for musical quality. "Kashmir" can whoop Lightning Crashes and "High and Dry" may be good but "Comfortably Numb" is much better in terms of musical ability. Even the sales support it... I know sales aren't everything, but longterm sales do prove that an artist has what it takes to survive the long run. Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, Pink Floyd... These artists kept making good stuff while Live and Radiohead have few commercially successful albums. That Fanboyism you hate so much is what drives you to say that Radiohead is better than music that is obviously superior.

And as a final word, don't accuse me of liking SFBM, please just insult with names like usual, some of them are pretty funny. I remember you called someone a tree monkey...

[Merica]

I remember you called someone a tree monkey...

I think it was Ex who called him a tree monkey.

Stupid name calling ass face motherfuckers...................................

[SJN1279]

Ed, don't even bother with him. It's entirely pointless trying to reason with a retard.

You'll always get the same response...." Blugh ach blech buh TIMMY! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only good thing about Radiohead is that Creep is one of the few songs on rock band that I can sing. Liverocks, are you even a fan of Live? All you do is run them down and compare them unfavorably to other bands? Maybe just a bad day at the office for you?

[l_oiseau_rouge]

OMG what have I done

How To Disappear Completely is probably the single best song I have ever heard. There may be a few Zep songs that rank up there with it but that's about it. Kid A, OK Computer, Amnesiac and The Bends are all masterpieces. They make Live look like Hansen or whatever the fuck those little faggot guys are called.

I prefer The Bends unlike most Radiohead fans. Actually, I wouldn't even call myself a fan because I don't listen to them that much really. More of an admirer. Their creativity and musical talent is unparalelled by anybody in the music industry over the past 25 years. Nine Inch Nails would have to be the closest followed by Tool(Thanks McPheezy).

Songs like High and Dry and Fake Plastic Trees are just gorgeous. The latter being one of the most emotion provoking songs I've ever come across, utterly beautiful. I love The Bends as an opener too with it's catch guitar and changes of pace. Bulletproof is a nice song but my favorite song off this cd and probably amonst the best of Radiohead is Black Star. I can listen to that song over and over and over and fucking over again. "Balme it on the black star, blame it on the fallin' sky, blame it on the satellite...." followed by the rhythmic guitars...is just utterly awesome and breathtaking. The whole album is pure and utter genius.

I am a much MUCH bigger fan of LIVE. But unlike most off the gay ass idiot fanboy's around here, I can easily admit that Radiohead is so much better than Live, it's not even comparable. Anybody who can't see that in my view is a retard, sorry.

Now I see your point slightly better... Peace!

This post has been edited by l_oiseau_rouge: Mar 26 2008, 7:51 pm

[LiveRoCkS77]

The only good thing about Radiohead is that Creep is one of the few songs on rock band that I can sing. Liverocks, are you even a fan of Live? All you do is run them down and compare them unfavorable to other bands? Maybe just a bad day at the office for you?

In case y'all can't read, LIVE is my favorite band.

Badman says that me being a fan of Radiohead is what makes me think they're superior. Just after saying that I'm not really a fan of the band.

Fact is, I'm just not biased. I can put my own personal preference aside and judge the objective side of a bands capability. I love LIVE so much more than any other band that it's not even worth it to try and explain.

But with that said, I can easily see that a band like Radiohead is far superior to LIVE in all the aspects I mentioned.

As for Floyd blowing away Radiohead in those categories? UMMMMMM, NO. Pink Floyd wrote better music lyrically than Radiohead and that's about it. As for the actual written music and creativity? They are par for the course. There are several songs Radiohead has done that are on par with Comfortably Numb with the exception of the guitar solo at the end.

Taste my be subjective, yes. But there are other aspects which are objective. Musical talent and creativity being a large part of that. You might not like how a band uses that ability but that doesn't make it subjective. Radiohead is the most creative band in the industry today and probably the most original too. Their music is far different than that of any other artist out there today. Their experimentation is very similar to that of Floyd in terms of sound and exploration.

In my opinion, Floyd is just slightly the better band. But don't overestimate them neither. Their commercial success went as far as The Wall and Dark Side Of The Moon really. Momentary Lapse Of Reason was fairly successful too. Comparing album sales of generation is completely irrelevant. In the seventies, they didn't have many computers and music wasn't accessible by any other means than the album itself.

In terms of musical ability, creativity and songwriting, my opinion is that Radiohead is the best band in the world today hands down. No contest with ANY other band. Call me a fan all you want, doesn't really mean shit to me. I'm just able to put bias aside and actually judge shit fairly instead of letting fanboyisms get in the way.

[Existentialist]

Swearing and Brain Damage
A wide variety of neurological and emotional conditions can affect a person's ability to speak and lead to excessive swearing. For example, people with various forms of aphasia lose the ability to speak or to pronounce words because of damage or disease in parts of the brain that govern language. Many aphasics retain the ability to produce automatic speech, which often consists of conversational placeholders like "um" and "er." Aphasics' automatic speech can include swear words -- in some cases, patients can't create words or sentences, but they can swear. Also, the ability to pronounce other words can change and evolve during recovery, while pronunciation and use of swearwords remains unchanged.

Damage to any area of the brain can affect the way the brain functions. Damage to areas that process language can lead to aphasia.

In addition, the use of expletives can:

Establish a group identity
Establish membership in a group and maintain the group's boundaries
Express solidarity with other people
Express trust and intimacy (mostly when women swear in the presence of other women)
Add humor, emphasis or "shock value"
Attempt to camouflage a person's fear or insecurity
People also swear because they feel they are expected to or because swearing has become a habit. But just because swearing plays all these roles doesn't mean it's socially acceptable, or even legal.

-Tracy V. Wilson. "How Swearing Works". November 30, 2005 http://people.howstuffworks.com/swearing.htm (March 26, 2008)

Wow it's neurology for super dummies. There are so many different types of aphasias you could fill thousands of books without properly describing the phenomena. I wouldn't put too much stock in an article on language and the brain that's written by someone with a fucking B.A. in literature.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Mar 26 2008, 8:47 pm

[Badman]

As for Floyd blowing away Radiohead in those categories? UMMMMMM, NO. Pink Floyd wrote better music lyrically than Radiohead and that's about it. As for the actual written music and creativity? They are par for the course. There are several songs Radiohead has done that are on par with Comfortably Numb with the exception of the guitar solo at the end.

Thanks for responding in the way you did, it got your point across I felt.

I consider myself a fan of the Floyd and I have heard so many crazy things come out of them... They considered making an album with kitchen objects as instruments at one time. The whole of the Zabrinske Point Sessions was Neo-Romanticism to me as it sounds REALLY similar to that style period. The use of voices in "several small species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave grooving with a pict" was awesome to say the least. The dissonance in "Jug Band Blues" is also a must

If there is any specific Radiohead I should listen to that can compete just gimme the names or whole albums and I would love to listen, I pride myself in Rock history.

Oh yeah, Wish you were here was also commercially successful and so was The Division Bell. It was Triple Platinum and Top album for a month in 1994. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Division_Bell

This post has been edited by Badman: Mar 26 2008, 11:06 pm

[Distance to Me]

Whoah, Ok. I guess I'm gonna have to throw my opinion in here. It has been said that Radiohead is superior lyrically to Live. Entirely opinion. Superior musically? No. Radioheads 3 guitars are all ok. Not great. Chad Taylor is slightly worse technically and doesn't create the emotion that they supposedly do (only emotion to me is boredom, sorry, not a huge fan). However, Dance With You has a guitar solo that drips with emotion in my opinion. Radiohead's bassist sucks. Listen to Dalheimer do the intro to Dolphin's Cry in concert, or they stood up for love, or Stage, or We Deal In Dreams, or OK?, or almost anything before SFBM really, and it dances all over Radiohead. I think Dalheimer is a very underrated bassists, and I play bass myself (honestly though, I'm not that great ). Radiohead's drummer has absolutely no game on Gracey. Gracey is actually a very good drummer. Radiohead more creative? Maybe. I think it's hard to argue that. But saying Radiohead is creative is not really true. More creative than Live? Yes. But Radiohead has R.E.M. written all over it, especially the old stuff. And just cuz' they have 3 guitars (and I can play everything I know by them) that each have a different pedal going on does not equal creative. It equals too much.

Just to throw in my 2 cents. Or whatever that saying is.

This post has been edited by Distance to Me: Mar 26 2008, 9:50 pm

[l_oiseau_rouge]

I don't feel like I'm on the right message board to argue , but it's interesting to read your opinions. It helps me to understand better those who stopped liking them after The Bends and even the RH haters!

Some early stuff = R.E.M. rip off = true, even recognized by themselves. Permanent Daylight is basically a tribute to Sonic Youth, but it

Bassist and drummer not the best musicians in the world = fact. In fact, only the lead guitarist had music lessons and can read music, and they started playing at school, just like Live, I think?

Though the drums on Pyramid Song are amazing.

And speaking of creativity... overall, the 3-guitar era isn't the most representative of them being very creative.

This post has been edited by l_oiseau_rouge: Mar 26 2008, 10:27 pm

[LiveRoCkS77]

Whoah, Ok. I guess I'm gonna have to throw my opinion in here. It has been said that Radiohead is superior lyrically to Live. Entirely opinion. Superior musically? No. Radioheads 3 guitars are all ok. Not great. Chad Taylor is slightly worse technically and doesn't create the emotion that they supposedly do (only emotion to me is boredom, sorry, not a huge fan). However, Dance With You has a guitar solo that drips with emotion in my opinion. Radiohead's bassist sucks. Listen to Dalheimer do the intro to Dolphin's Cry in concert, or they stood up for love, or Stage, or We Deal In Dreams, or OK?, or almost anything before SFBM really, and it dances all over Radiohead. I think Dalheimer is a very underrated bassists, and I play bass myself (honestly though, I'm not that great ). Radiohead's drummer has absolutely no game on Gracey. Gracey is actually a very good drummer. Radiohead more creative? Maybe. I think it's hard to argue that. But saying Radiohead is creative is not really true. More creative than Live? Yes. But Radiohead has R.E.M. written all over it, especially the old stuff. And just cuz' they have 3 guitars (and I can play everything I know by them) that each have a different pedal going on does not equal creative. It equals too much.

Just to throw in my 2 cents. Or whatever that saying is.

I'm not even going to bother arguing with any human being or animal who thinks it's hard to argue Radiohead being more creative than Live. Not wasting my breath for longer than a second on that one. Second...over, buh bye.

[LiveRoCkS77]

Thanks for responding in the way you did, it got your point across I felt.

I consider myself a fan of the Floyd and I have heard so many crazy things come out of them... They considered making an album with kitchen objects as instruments at one time. The whole of the More album was Neo-Romanticism to me as it sounds REALLY similar to that style period. The use of voices in "several small species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave grooving with a pict" was awesome to say the least. The dissonance in "Jug Band Blues" is also a must

If there is any specific Radiohead I should listen to that can compete just gimme the names or whole albums and I would love to listen, I pride myself in Rock history.

Oh yeah, Wish you were here was also commercially successful and so was The Division Bell. It was Triple Platinum and Top album for a month in 1994. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Division_Bell

Listen to anything off of Kid A. I wouldn't call division Bell nor Wish you were here comercially successful in the least.

Musicians talent doesn't just come from their technical ability. It comes from how the actual music is written and arranged. I don't think any of you are in a position to say that Grcey is the better drummer or Chad the better guitar player. You ever sat down with either bands musicians and listened to them play? FACT is, that Live's music is mostly all poorly structured and basic. Some good melodies and excellent songwriting make it pliable. The written music itself is average at best. The progression in Radioheads music exceeds that of Live's by a trillion times.

[l_oiseau_rouge]

Listen to anything off of Kid A.

I bet it could be a funny exercice to listen to Kid A having only listened to The Bends and try to remember that it's the same band 5 years later.

Some help : Optimistic is probably the most accessible thing on it. And maybe The National Anthem? But one shouldn't expect to like Kid A and In Limbo at the first listen. Everything in it's right place, it depends on the people! Personally, I disliked it incredibly much the 3 first times, then...

[Badman]

Listen to anything off of Kid A. I wouldn't call division Bell nor Wish you were here comercially successful in the least.
The progression in Radioheads music exceeds that of Live's by a trillion times.

Wish you were here sold 3 million more albums than Throwing copper for a total of over 12 million albums

More and Relics were the only albums I could find that did not mention if they sold over 500000 albums or gold status. Live has not made gold status since TDTH...

Also, it should be noted taht I wasn't arguing that RH is better than Live, I don't know RH enough, I am arguing that many other bands are probably better than RH or Live.

[l_oiseau_rouge]

Wish you were here sold 3 million more albums than Throwing copper for a total of over 12 million albums

But it had almost 20 more years to do that...