The origin of Live recordings Options

[SecretInsomnia]

By discussing many songs in many threads on this forum lately, much of Live's work is known for us (in terms of when it was recorded). Album tracks are mostly just recorded in the period they spent recording that album. Some outtakes are a lill more difficult to judge.

Some of the most recent discoveries of origins of Live songs are BI and RS: they turned out to be b-sides?

I have a new question: We Deal In Dreams.
Before 2004 it was known by fans as Dealin' Dreams. It is said to be a TC outtake (you can hear the basic version of the song on the old TC alternate tape). But I remember reading about the song at the end of 2004, with the release of Awake (don't know where I read it, I think someone from the Dutch fanclub wrote it), and read it was re-recorded? When I first heard We Deal in Dreams in okt.2004, I must say (compared to ' Dealin' Dreams), I thought it sounded much more like a recent recording than most of the tracks on TC. Does anybody that had a connection with universal or Radioactive around that time, can confirm it was re-recorded to release. Or was it already made in this awesome quality in 1994? (if so, it would be strange that nobody knew this... just like nobody ever heard of BI and RS before...)

[Wambangalang]

if that was recorded in 04 then maybe live isnt done for just yet. But im willing to bet it was recorded during the throwing copper recording sessions. in fact im sure i read that somewhere

[dangum]

The version of We Deal in Dreams that appears on the Awake CD was recorded during the Throwing Copper sessions.

Beautiful Invisible and Radiant Sea were recorded during the V sessions. A band member recently confirmed this.

[SecretInsomnia]

The version of We Deal in Dreams that appears on the Awake CD was recorded during the Throwing Copper sessions.

Beautiful Invisible and Radiant Sea were recorded during the V sessions. A band member recently confirmed this.

Oke tnx I'll track the source I read it in tonight, and see if I can find out what caused this thinking about a re-recording of the song.

[SecretInsomnia]

Next!


Born Branded... was it recorded together with the Mental Jewelry album tracks? (it seems to be a MJ outtake). But if so, it would be the only outtake from MJ we know. I don't think it's an early TC outtake, but I used to think so because of the atmosphere in the song and the voice of Ed, cuz those are both comparable with voice and atmosphere Susquehanna (which is TC). But it appeared on an MTV-cd release in 1993, if I remember correctly?

was it really the only leftover from MJ ?

[dangum]

But it appeared on an MTV-cd release in 1993, if I remember correctly?

Born Branded appeared on a Radioactive Records promo disc in 1993.
http://www.livediscography.com/lcr_sec5_bb.html

To me, it certainly sounds like something that was left over from Mental Jewelry. But it's strange that it was put on a promo CD so long after MJ was released...

[Hoodstock]

Beautiful Invisible and Radiant Sea were recorded during the V sessions. A band member recently confirmed this.

I guessed that but did not know it as fact. Is it safe to assume then that Tricky is the artist on Radiant Sea?

They should have put both of these songs on V with Simple Creed and made the rest of the album b-sides. That would have been a good place to start.

BI and RS are way better than anything else on that album.

[+Ed+]

I bet it is not Tricky. I still think it is Chad.

[SecretInsomnia]

I bet it is not Tricky. I still think it is Chad.

...might sound weird, but yeah, I also think it's Chad. He did the 'odd' voice in We Deal in Dreams as well, didn't he?

If it was Tricky, than:
1. we would have heard (from him, for example) he contributed more on Live songs in that period, than only Simple Creed.
2. Live were obliged to mention that name in the RS cd-credits. They didn't, so...

[SecretInsomnia]

ohw and Hoodstock, I agree with you: it's kinda strange they never used these songs as album tracks
- maybe they don't fit between those songs (any thoughts?) I think BI would, and RS doesn't (more TDTHish), although I think RS is better.
- or maybe the 2 songs didn't sound like these versions by than... and have been remixed, or finished after V?

[Hoodstock]

I bet it is not Tricky. I still think it is Chad.

Could be

I agree with you: it's kinda strange they never used these songs as album tracks
- maybe they don't fit between those songs (any thoughts?) I think BI would, and RS doesn't (more TDTHish), although I think RS is better.

I think they should have been released on an album. If they were outtakes for V they don't fit with the album (which in my opinion is a good thing because I don't care for it at all) which is probably why they were held back.

I actually think they might have been planning to release them as the holiday gift but since there was a lot of expectation from their core fan base for new material (which I'm sure they're at least aware of) they put together Radiant Sea and added these songs.

I really think this theory is true because they gave it to homespun members for free (plus shipping) and they didn't offer music for the holiday gift this time.