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[LiveRoCkS77]

Nice list of bands that have improved pheezy. I enjoy all the bands that you mentioned there except Coil. (because I haven't heard any of their music).

And liverocks, what the fuck? Pablo Honey was radiohead's FIRST album you fucking plonker. And HTTT is a fantastic album. It's not OKC, but it's still great.

Sorry big bad tough guy from New Zealand, wasn't paying attention. Meant HTTF and Amnesiac, although some do consider Amnesiac to be progressive for the band. Never said HTTF wasn't a good album but it doesn't compare at all to anything previous...it is so much weaker it's obvious.

And god Mcpheezy you make me laugh out loud with your nonsense. Really? WTF are you talking about? I think you're so confused in your weed filled haze that you are literally lost.

POINT 1....So I didn't mention the words mainstream. But all the bands I named were just that. If you were remotely capable of putting two and two together, you would have noticed that.

POINT 2.... As per your first statement, simply put NO. Little known artists don't face nearly as much pressure or critique from neither their fans or from critics. That's how I can say what I said without feeling like a moron. Most of the pressure put on most bands comes from their fans. Less fans, less pressure plain and fucking simple. Fans buy records and contribute to the financial livlihood of most artists. Lose them and they lose money, which seems to be what it's all about these days. Little known bands can still easily survive with small and loyal fanbases. Sure they need to keep that fanbase, but that seems easier for a band that isn't mainstream. They still have small venue gigs to play no matter what and their well being financially is non dependent on whether they get torched by mainsteam media in various forms. A band that gets blackballed by the mainstream media is basically fucked, a factor absent from bands not exposed to it. I could go on and fucking on but I honestly don't think you're bright enough to see anything but what you wanna see.

Also, never said anything whatsoever about little known artists not wanting to improve or having that set as a goal. I'd love to know what the fuck you are talking about really. Because the way you talk, you honestly sound like some stoned out young punk who thinks he knows everything. Pretty sad.

[mrmcpheezy]

POINT 1....So I didn't mention the words mainstream. But all the bands I named were just that. If you were remotely capable of putting two and two together, you would have noticed that.

I noticed all the bands you mentioned were mainstream...I just didn't know i was supposed to limit my opinions of musicians to those in mainstream bands. Sorry.

POINT 2.... As per your first statement, simply put NO. Little known artists don't face nearly as much pressure or critique from neither their fans or from critics. That's how I can say what I said without feeling like a moron. Most of the pressure put on most bands comes from their fans. Less fans, less pressure plain and fucking simple.

What pressure is put on people by fans? I mean, I'm not in a band, but fuck, I've been writing and performing music for quite a while. I never felt any desire to work hard because of the people watching - the desire to work hard came from within myself. I don't give a fuck how many fans you have, that should never be asent.

Fans buy records and contribute to the financial livlihood of most artists. Lose them and they lose money, which seems to be what it's all about these days for mainstream artists.

Fixed.

Little known bands can still easily survive with small and loyal fanbases. Sure they need to keep that fanbase, but that seems easier for a band that isn't mainstream. They still have small venue gigs to play no matter what and their well being financially is non dependent on whether they get torched by mainsteam media in various forms. A band that gets blackballed by the mainstream media is basically fucked, a factor absent from bands not exposed to it.

Mainstream bands that get torn apart by the media would be...in the same position as smaller bands. They would be no more or less fucked than a band that had never been exposed to mainstream media, at least in that they'd have nothing but small group of loyal fans.

you honestly sound like some stoned out young punk who thinks he knows everything. Pretty sad.

Sad? Sounds more like an accurate description to me.

[Pokey]

A lot of those huge mainstream bands don't progressivly get better nor feel huge amounts of pressure from fans simpley because no matter what they do they know fans will kiss their feet. If you get a great push by your record company then you're fine as long as you do the bare minimum of what you're capable of *coughlivecough*, there will always be kids out there that don't know shit from clay that'll love you. Look at a band like U2, they've reached that legendary status (god knows how..) and can pretty much go the rest of their careers on autopilot and just keep churning out the same nausiating crap and people will gobble it down .. why should they feel any pressure from their fans? That last album of theirs absolutely sucked, even by their standards, and yet it was still winning awards simpley because they are U2 and it wouldn't seem right for U2 not to win awards.
That's not to say that hectic touring scheduels and such don't put pressure on, of course that would add to it.

So I look at it as the reason they are less progressive is simpley because they don't HAVE to be, the fans will always be there once you reach a certain level. I mean sure they might lose fans over that time as well, just like Live is, but they're always gonna have that huge fanbase to keep them feeling comfortable ... the only thing that can and should make a band want to progress and strive to always improve should be themselves.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Mar 21 2006, 4:52 pm

[Senghe]

Look at a band like U2, they've reached that legendary status (god knows how..)

Ohhh, I don't know... I loved the first 4 albums... then they went down the shitter and everybody and their pet rock has fucking loved them ever since. The Joshua Tree was the most self indulgent bollocks I'd heard come from a formerly talented and passionate band. I can see why the unwashed like it though - it's pseudo intellectual bollocks with a bit of theatrics thrown in and an attention whore lead singer who appears to have a social conscience. People like that kind of thing otherwise how would you explain Coldplay's popularity? At least Bono can sing - Chris Martin's falsetto makes feral dogs howl and run away in pain.

Short of releasing a full album of Roger Whittaker cover songs consisting of whistling a'la 'Nobody Knows', NOTHING Live could ever do will disappoint me as much as U2's career after The Unforgettable Fire.

This post has been edited by Senghe: Mar 21 2006, 6:24 pm

[Pokey]

Short of releasing a full album of Roger Whittaker cover songs consisting of whistling a'la 'Nobody Knows', NOTHING Live could ever do will disappoint me as much as U2's career after The Unforgettable Fire.

And yet U2 are still one of the biggest bands in the world, they can afford to lose fans.

I'll agree with you on Chris Martin, he's only one step behind Bono.

Yeah ok, so joining this discussion was just an excuse for me to bag U2

[mrmcpheezy]

A lot of those huge mainstream bands don't progressivly get better nor feel huge amounts of pressure from fans simpley because no matter what they do they know fans will kiss their feet. If you get a great push by your record company then you're fine as long as you do the bare minimum of what you're capable of *coughlivecough*, there will always be kids out there that don't know shit from clay that'll love you. Look at a band like U2, they've reached that legendary status (god knows how..) and can pretty much go the rest of their careers on autopilot and just keep churning out the same nausiating crap and people will gobble it down .. why should they feel any pressure from their fans? That last album of theirs absolutely sucked, even by their standards, and yet it was still winning awards simpley because they are U2 and it wouldn't seem right for U2 not to win awards.
That's not to say that hectic touring scheduels and such don't put pressure on, of course that would add to it.

So I look at it as the reason they are less progressive is simpley because they don't HAVE to be, the fans will always be there once you reach a certain level. I mean sure they might lose fans over that time as well, just like Live is, but they're always gonna have that huge fanbase to keep them feeling comfortable ... the only thing that can and should make a band want to progress and strive to always improve should be themselves.

Well said.