Album Analysis VI, Radiant Sea:A Collection of Bootleg Rarities and 2 New Songs Options

[Hoodstock]

This is the album analysis for Radiant Sea: A Collection of Bootleg Rarities and Two New Songs.

You know the drill, here's the album:

1. The Beauty of Gray

2. Pillar of Davidson

3. Shit Towne

4. I Alone

5. Lakini's Juice

6. The Distance

7. The Dolphin's Cry

8. Nobody Knows

9. Sweet Release

10. Overcome

11. Beautiful Invisible

12. Radiant Sea

Album Summary:

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Feb 20 2008, 9:01 pm

[Hoodstock]

I know some of you are thinking that this really isn't an album and it's not worth reviewing, but I've thought about it for a while and created this post because I want to make a statement about Radiant Sea.

Live is at their best when they perform live, and if you look at the albums that Live has actually released, I believe that THIS IS THEIR BEST ALBUM to date. That includes comparing it to TC, SS, MJ, TDTH, BOP, V, Awake, and SFBM.

Here's my argument:

1. The Beauty of Gray: One of the best songs off of MJ. This is a great opening to the album because it is oldschool and it is the second best version of this song that I have heard (next to MTV Unplugged).

2. Pillar of Davidson: I have never been a huge fan of the TC version of this song, but when I heard this for the first time I was blown away. This version of POD is one of my favorite Live songs, even though I never liked the song and still don't like other versions of it to this day. It completely changed my perspective and I find this to be a truely awesome performance.

3. Shit Towne: This song was meant to be played in concert. For anyone who's ever heard it you know that the crowd always jumps up and down when they play this and this version takes you back to it. Awesome track and way better than the studio recording!

4. I Alone: I think this is Live's most overrated song, but again it rocks, especially in concert. This is one of the best versions of I Alone out there and it is much better than the TC track.

5. Lakini's Juice: This cd keeps getting better. Lakini's Juice is totally awesome, but Lakini's Juice live is the shit. "GET THE FUCK UP!". Listen to the difference between the SS version and the RS version. It blows SS out of the water, which is hard to do since it already rocks!

6. The Distance: This is the only song where the studio version is better simply because Ed is talking about the new Millennium. It seems to make the CD feel old. It is cool, however, to talk about how awesome concerts are in the summer time. The song, itself, is great and Live sounds awesome.

7. The Dolphin's Cry: Best version of this song I have heard. A great song and great to hear the crowd with it.

8. Nobody Knows: This is the lowest point on the entire album and almost every album by any artist has one. I don't really care for the song, but it sounds way better live than off of V. An definate improvment over the studio version.

9. Sweet Release: This is the best version of this song that I have ever heard and it is one of my favorite Live songs. It completely blows the studio version out (which again is hard to do) and if it were released as a single like this after Heaven it would have been all over the airwaves. Fucking awesome song (an iPod must).

10. Overcome: I think Live tried to cash in with the V version of this song and I really can't stand to listen to it, but the version on Radiant Sea is brilliant. It has a great sound and is a major improvement over the original.

11. Beautiful Invisible: I know there is a lot of mixed opinion about this song from the Live community but I absolutely love it! This is one of my favorite songs on the album and the more I listen to it the more I love this song. It was great to hear Live put a song out with this type of sound, it really shows the diversity that they can have. I would say this alone made the album worth purchasing, but the rest of it rocks to much to say so.

12. Radiant Sea: The first time I heard this song I thought it was decent, but the more I listen to it the better it gets. The song truely rocks and shows the edge that I hope Live goes with in the future. Cutting out the background rap by fading out the left speaker really makes this song go from great to phenominal. It's almost as if they did to much and should have left it as less. If I could get an edited version I would be totally stoked!

Album Summary: This is simply the best complete album Live has ever released. Almost every song on this album is an upgrade over the studio version, and even the songs that aren't my favorites in studio really shine on Radiant Sea. Many of the versions on this album are the best versions of the songs I have ever heard. The quality of the live recordings are fantastic. The two new songs on the album are a great addition to the Live library, and if you do not have them yours is not even close to complete.

Live is simply awesome live and it shows here. They seriously should drop the studio and record everything in concert!

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Feb 20 2008, 9:11 pm

[Alex]

This one tops the cake. Worst thread I've read in a long time. I actually can't believe the stupidity of what I'm reading.

Live is at their best when they perform live, and if you look at the albums that Live has actually released, I believe that THIS IS THEIR BEST ALBUM to date

You cannot be serious. This mis-matched, ultra rough compilation shouldn't even be in consideration for best album.

I'm not going to quote your response to each song, since all of your descriptions are pretty much equally ridiculous.. but I had to respond to some

4. I Alone: I think this is Live's most overrated song, but again it rocks, especially in concert. This is one of the best versions of I Alone out there and it is much better than the TC track

It just is. Is this so? I don't know why you keep saying it, but you can't make a claim that all these songs are 'much better than the album versions' without backing it up with any objective reasoning whatsoever.

5. Lakini's Juice: This cd keeps getting better. Lakini's Juice is totally awesome, but Lakini's Juice live is the shit. "GET THE FUCK UP!". Listen to the difference between the SS version and the RS version. It blows SS out of the water, which is hard to do since it already rocks!

I'm very tired so maybe I'm missing the point... is this thread a joke??? Honestly...


9. Sweet Release: This is the best version of this song that I have ever heard and it is one of my favorite Live songs. It completely blows the studio version out (which again is hard to do) and if it were released as a single like this after Heaven it would have been all over the airwaves. Fucking awesome song (an iPod must).

You actually believe that a Live version of what is essentially not even a very well written song would have been all over the airwaves??

Lmao at 'an ipod must'.


It has a great sound

This coming from someone who would completely dismiss one whole channel of a two channel recording. Yeah.. I don't think your opinion is credible here.

Album Summary: This is simply the best complete album Live has ever released. Almost every song on this album is an upgrade over the studio version, and even the songs that aren't my favorites in studio really shine on Radiant Sea. Many of the versions on this album are the best versions of the songs I have ever heard. The quality of the live recordings are fantastic. The two new songs on the album are a great addition to the Live library, and if you do not have them yours is not even close to complete.

Ultimate fan-boy material.

They seriously should drop the studio and record everything in concert!


Great line.



I cannot believe that you actually completely do not understand the album format. Some bands (probably not Live anymore) put so much time in to creating an album as an album! Not just some collection of songs, they're actually supposed to be listened to in the order in which they are presented. The 'ipod age' is ruining this, taking away the artwork and all of the extra things that you get with a physical copy of the cd. And now you think some shitty compilation thrown together no better than what a fan could do is Lives best album? One that wasn't even available to purchase through ordinary means?

This post has been edited by Alex: Feb 21 2008, 4:02 pm

[Hoodstock]

This one tops the cake. Worst thread I've read in a long time. I actually can't believe the stupidity of what I'm reading.

Live is at their best when they perform live, and if you look at the albums that Live has actually released, I believe that THIS IS THEIR BEST ALBUM to date

You cannot be serious. This mis-matched, ultra rough compilation shouldn't even be in consideration for best album.

I'm not going to quote your response to each song, since all of your descriptions are pretty much equally ridiculous.. but I had to respond to some

4. I Alone: I think this is Live's most overrated song, but again it rocks, especially in concert. This is one of the best versions of I Alone out there and it is much better than the TC track

It just is. Is this so? I don't know why you keep saying it, but you can't make a claim that all these songs are 'much better than the album versions' without backing it up with any objective reasoning whatsoever.

5. Lakini's Juice: This cd keeps getting better. Lakini's Juice is totally awesome, but Lakini's Juice live is the shit. "GET THE FUCK UP!". Listen to the difference between the SS version and the RS version. It blows SS out of the water, which is hard to do since it already rocks!

I'm very tired so maybe I'm missing the point... is this thread a joke??? Honestly...
9. Sweet Release: This is the best version of this song that I have ever heard and it is one of my favorite Live songs. It completely blows the studio version out (which again is hard to do) and if it were released as a single like this after Heaven it would have been all over the airwaves. Fucking awesome song (an iPod must).

You actually believe that a Live version of what is essentially not even a very well written song would have been all over the airwaves??

Lmao at 'an ipod must'.
It has a great sound

This coming from someone who would completely dismiss one whole channel of a two channel recording. Yeah.. I don't think your opinion is credible here.

Album Summary: This is simply the best complete album Live has ever released. Almost every song on this album is an upgrade over the studio version, and even the songs that aren't my favorites in studio really shine on Radiant Sea. Many of the versions on this album are the best versions of the songs I have ever heard. The quality of the live recordings are fantastic. The two new songs on the album are a great addition to the Live library, and if you do not have them yours is not even close to complete.

Ultimate fan-boy material.

They seriously should drop the studio and record everything in concert!
Great line.
I cannot believe that you actually completely do not understand the album format. Some bands (probably not Live anymore) put so much time in to creating an album as an album! Not just some collection of songs, they're actually supposed to be listened to in the order in which they are presented. The 'ipod age' is ruining this, taking away the artwork and all of the extra things that you get with a physical copy of the cd. And now you think some shitty compilation thrown together no better than what a fan could do is Lives best album? One that wasn't even available to purchase through ordinary means?

No, are you serious?

First of all fuck you calling me a fanboy, I say it how it is. I rip Live when they suck and I speak out when people rip shit I like. I don't hold punches.

Apparently you missed the entire point of the thread which is to analyze the album on your own, not to analyze what everyone else says. Thanks for wasting your time.

That being said, I agree to disagree with you. It's my opinion. I can tell you right now that I would choose this album over any other Live album released because it sounds the best from start to finish. The arrangement of songs is great and the album rocks. They haven't released a better album to listen to. Just because it is a compilation of bootlegs doesn't discredit it. The versions released by Live on this album are way better than most of the studio versions.

You go on to critique my opinion by stating that I have no objective reasoning then you call it a shitty compliation without explaining why. At least I spoke to the songs. Take your time to do the same. I'm guessing you want people to break down the composition of each track and analize the drums, vocals, bass and guitar. Get a life. I spoke about my feelings on the songs and that's enough said.

Finally, don't insult me by calling me part of the iPod age. I fully understand what an album is and there aren't many created today. Live is fully capable of writing an "album" of songs and recording it live. That would be a huge improvment over writing an "album" and recording the exact same songs in a studio because they sound way better in concert. Just look at the tracks on RS for proof. You must be stupid to misunderstand that point. An album does not have to be recorded in a studio setting idiot.

You are a total moron!

[Alex]

Here we go...

I didn't call you a fanboy. I said that particular line was ultimate fan-boy material.

I didn't miss the point of the thread at all. I replied to something you posted. I responded. What else can you expect from a forum? Besides, I can't 'analyze' this compilation, becuase I don't own it.

You can feel free to choose this as your favourite album. You can't, however, claim it's their best. That's the key point that I've been making. You keep claiming your opinions are facts.

Like...

'They haven't released a better album to listen to'

or

'The versions released by Live on this album are way better than most of the studio versions.'


I did call this a shitty compilation, yes, and I probably should have been clearer in what I meant by this. The songs and recordings themselves are ok. I haven't heard any of them recently so I can't make any claim about the recording quality. Obviously we know the songs, and it's a reasonable tracklist.

But in terms of quality... I really don't think this is something which has had much effort put in to it. They're random bootlegs, all from different sources, mixed at different times by different people. The artwork and fact that it's primarily a download are obvious indications that this isn't a serious album.

I didn't call you part of the iPod age. I'm in no position to claim anything of the sort; I only know you from a selction of posts on the internet, which lets face it, are just words. It's very easy to misinterpret or read what you want from it. Which you've just indicated, actually.

Another part of your post I find interesting:

'Live is fully capable of writing an "album" of songs and recording it live. That would be a huge improvment over writing an "album" and recording the exact same songs in a studio because they sound way better in concert.'

Again, claiming things without reasonable back-up. I'm a sound engineer; obviously I know more than the average person about these things. I don't want to get in to a debate about what you think would sound better, production wise,n from a Live album, but I'm certainly glad you're not in a position to make any decisions about such things.

'You must be stupid to misunderstand that point. An album does not have to be recorded in a studio setting idiot.'

OK, now you're just mindlessly insulting me. Pretty juvenile...

[LiveRoCkS77]

This one tops the cake. Worst thread I've read in a long time. I actually can't believe the stupidity of what I'm reading.

Live is at their best when they perform live, and if you look at the albums that Live has actually released, I believe that THIS IS THEIR BEST ALBUM to date

You cannot be serious. This mis-matched, ultra rough compilation shouldn't even be in consideration for best album.

I'm not going to quote your response to each song, since all of your descriptions are pretty much equally ridiculous.. but I had to respond to some

4. I Alone: I think this is Live's most overrated song, but again it rocks, especially in concert. This is one of the best versions of I Alone out there and it is much better than the TC track

It just is. Is this so? I don't know why you keep saying it, but you can't make a claim that all these songs are 'much better than the album versions' without backing it up with any objective reasoning whatsoever.

5. Lakini's Juice: This cd keeps getting better. Lakini's Juice is totally awesome, but Lakini's Juice live is the shit. "GET THE FUCK UP!". Listen to the difference between the SS version and the RS version. It blows SS out of the water, which is hard to do since it already rocks!

I'm very tired so maybe I'm missing the point... is this thread a joke??? Honestly...
9. Sweet Release: This is the best version of this song that I have ever heard and it is one of my favorite Live songs. It completely blows the studio version out (which again is hard to do) and if it were released as a single like this after Heaven it would have been all over the airwaves. Fucking awesome song (an iPod must).

You actually believe that a Live version of what is essentially not even a very well written song would have been all over the airwaves??

Lmao at 'an ipod must'.
It has a great sound

This coming from someone who would completely dismiss one whole channel of a two channel recording. Yeah.. I don't think your opinion is credible here.

Album Summary: This is simply the best complete album Live has ever released. Almost every song on this album is an upgrade over the studio version, and even the songs that aren't my favorites in studio really shine on Radiant Sea. Many of the versions on this album are the best versions of the songs I have ever heard. The quality of the live recordings are fantastic. The two new songs on the album are a great addition to the Live library, and if you do not have them yours is not even close to complete.

Ultimate fan-boy material.

They seriously should drop the studio and record everything in concert!
Great line.
I cannot believe that you actually completely do not understand the album format. Some bands (probably not Live anymore) put so much time in to creating an album as an album! Not just some collection of songs, they're actually supposed to be listened to in the order in which they are presented. The 'ipod age' is ruining this, taking away the artwork and all of the extra things that you get with a physical copy of the cd. And now you think some shitty compilation thrown together no better than what a fan could do is Lives best album? One that wasn't even available to purchase through ordinary means?

I agree with you Alex.

McPheezy would rip this moron a new asshole. Not that the neighborhood homos haven't done it to him already.

It's funny to watch people misconstrue what they like as fact. "It's the way it is" he says! I just gotta laugh and assume that he's some little uneducated geekboy with no future and no friends. Speaking of sound, he actually sounds like some mindless Britney Spears fan who jumps up and down every time he hears a new song. Fucking sad.

[CRH]

I agree with you Alex.

McPheezy would rip this moron a new asshole. Not that the neighborhood homos haven't done it to him already.

It's funny to watch people misconstrue what they like as fact. "It's the way it is" he says! I just gotta laugh and assume that he's some little uneducated geekboy with no future and no friends. Speaking of sound, he actually sounds like some mindless Britney Spears fan who jumps up and down every time he hears a new song. Fucking sad.

LiveRocks and Alex...are you serious? I understand the stuff Hoodstock says in this thread is probably ridiculous, but come on now. It is someone enjoying a compilation album by a band that everyone in this forum loves.

And this whole fact thing...everyone get over themselves. I Alone is on Throwing Copper. Chad Taylor plays a guitar he named Ruby Lou. Ed wrote SFBM by himself. These are facts. When someone says a song kicks ass, they think it kicks ass. When you say someone is an idiot, you think they are an idiot. These are opinions, whether they are generally accepted or not. Give the fact argument a rest.

So all of you get over yourselves and discuss the band and stop the negative, macho stuff. It is a LIVE message board...

[LiveRoCkS77]

LiveRocks and Alex...are you serious? I understand the stuff Hoodstock says in this thread is probably ridiculous, but come on now. It is someone enjoying a compilation album by a band that everyone in this forum loves.

And this whole fact thing...everyone get over themselves. I Alone is on Throwing Copper. Chad Taylor plays a guitar he named Ruby Lou. Ed wrote SFBM by himself. These are facts. When someone says a song kicks ass, they think it kicks ass. When you say someone is an idiot, you think they are an idiot. These are opinions, whether they are generally accepted or not. Give the fact argument a rest.

So all of you get over yourselves and discuss the band and stop the negative, macho stuff. It is a LIVE message board...

Lick my balls monkey.

[Saviour]

I have to address the tone of this thread:

Alex and Liverocks,

I'm sorry but you guys come off as assholes. The point of all of the album analysis threads is to give your personal opinion of the album track by track, stating as little or as much as you want. It's been that way for all of them. That's what Hoodstock did and what you've failed to do.

You guys must have ADHD because you can't even take two seconds to follow the format of the topic. Instead of trying to be dicks about someone elses opinion (which is all you are doing) you should write your own analysis of the album. If you had, and it disagreed with Hoodstock's view, that would speak for itself. Both of you must be to short sited to realize that.

Your blatant attacks come off as just that. Your attempts to discredit what Hoodstock is saying are also simply opinions. The fact that you try to disprove his opinions with your opinions makes you look stupid.

Alex, maybe you could start by actually purchasing the album.

Hoodstock - I'll post an actual analysis when I get a chance! I hope others take a moment to actually do the same.

This post has been edited by Savior: Feb 23 2008, 9:57 am

[Existentialist]

That time of the month, eh Savior?

[Saviour]

That time of the month, eh Savior?

Trying to discredit what I see with a sexist comment (despite the fact that I'm a male) is very immature. Any female should be offended by your words.

[Existentialist]

Time to untwist those panties, Savior!

[Wambangalang]

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[Alex]

ego ehop ego ego fuck yall i can sdelll u dexies for 300 a bottle hahaha aDD my ass! shutup everyone

This about says it all

I have to address the tone of this thread:

Alex and Liverocks,

I'm sorry but you guys come off as assholes. The point of all of the album analysis threads is to give your personal opinion of the album track by track, stating as little or as much as you want. It's been that way for all of them. That's what Hoodstock did and what you've failed to do.

You guys must have ADHD because you can't even take two seconds to follow the format of the topic. Instead of trying to be dicks about someone elses opinion (which is all you are doing) you should write your own analysis of the album. If you had, and it disagreed with Hoodstock's view, that would speak for itself. Both of you must be to short sited to realize that.

Your blatant attacks come off as just that. Your attempts to discredit what Hoodstock is saying are also simply opinions. The fact that you try to disprove his opinions with your opinions makes you look stupid.

Alex, maybe you could start by actually purchasing the album.

Hoodstock - I'll post an actual analysis when I get a chance! I hope others take a moment to actually do the same.

OK. Hoodstock posted a topic. I replied directly to his post. Whilst I didn't do exactly what the point of the thread was, I think my post 'followed the format with the topic'; and I didn't directly insult anyone, call them names or anything.

I don't want to purchase this album. There would be absolutely no point, because I would never listen to it.

Thank you.

[LiveRoCkS77]

I have to address the tone of this thread:

Alex and Liverocks,

I'm sorry but you guys come off as assholes. The point of all of the album analysis threads is to give your personal opinion of the album track by track, stating as little or as much as you want. It's been that way for all of them. That's what Hoodstock did and what you've failed to do.

You guys must have ADHD because you can't even take two seconds to follow the format of the topic. Instead of trying to be dicks about someone elses opinion (which is all you are doing) you should write your own analysis of the album. If you had, and it disagreed with Hoodstock's view, that would speak for itself. Both of you must be to short sited to realize that.

Your blatant attacks come off as just that. Your attempts to discredit what Hoodstock is saying are also simply opinions. The fact that you try to disprove his opinions with your opinions makes you look stupid.

Alex, maybe you could start by actually purchasing the album.

Hoodstock - I'll post an actual analysis when I get a chance! I hope others take a moment to actually do the same.

Did you make a serious attempt to try out for the role of DUMBER in that Jim Carrey movie? Holy Jesus how fucking dumb can people actually get?

Did you miss the entire point you estrogen filled she boy?

The whole point we've made is that this Hoodstock fuckhead douche, staed HIS OPINION AS IF IT WERE FACT. Does the caps make it easier to understand for you? Not all opinions are subjective you fucking moron.

I've stated time and time and TIME AGAIN that it's fine if anyone likes any album. But that doesn't make it the best. Do you get that simple point? Or is it too advanced for you? Maybe another retard in your household can explain it in your hellen fucking keller retard drone?

Jesus, why are people so fucking short sighted that they COMPLETELY ignore one point of view. All while trying to justify their own twisted fucked up brain shit storm.

Fucking idiot.