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[LiveRoCkS77]

I think most Americans have unconsciously realized that none of this matters, which is why voting turnout is spiraling downward. Bush didn't win either of the elections he was in, but we've been stuck with him for two terms. When the powers that be in Big Brother can so obviously rig elections, have campaigns and cabinets heavily influenced by lobbyists and basically do whatever they want, there is little incentive to care.

I think Hillary, Obama, McCain, and Romney are all completely fucked up people, because you have to be if you're a politician. And truthfully, anyone who takes this or any election seriously is wasting their time.

HAHAHA, despite being a complete asshole, you're obviously very intelligent.

ALL politicians are out for themselves. None of them truly give a fuck about society for beuracracy frowns on that very concept. Try giving a fuck and try making change for real and the hounds will fucking hang you. your ass will be on the outs faster than Pewee fucking Herman in a movie theatre.

The very foundation of the entire system erases any hope that us, or any of our future generations may have. If one man were to ever truly stand up for ouright honesty and change, the powers that be would have him or her assassinated faster than you could say your own name.

There is no hope. EX hit the nail square on the head. It's all just a waste of time.

[The Quebeker]

Why doesn't that surprise me?

I honestly don't think that most Americans have the fucking balls to put forth the effort it's going to take to make change. Too god damn busy wrapped up in their own self righteousness......just makes me laugh and wanna be sick at the same time.

Dam i could'nt say better! Americains, soon you'll have a chance to show the world that you got balls, that youre not afraid to change. Take you chance to write a page of history, must this chance be a women or a black, a muslim, a dam elephant if you want, just vote for change. Stop the war, bring the economic up, make peace, and show the world that not everyone is the american we see in Moore's documentary!

Good luck friends!

[Existentialist]

Quebeker, soon you'll have a chance to show the world you got brains, that youre not afraid to learn. Take you chance to write a page of literate English, must this chance be a mystery, drama, love story, a dam poem if you want, just write a page of literate English. Stop illiteracy, bring your IQ up, make sense of language, and show the rest of the world that not everyone is the canadian we all mock ruthlessly here in the U.S.

Good luck friend!

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Feb 5 2008, 1:48 am

[LiveRoCkS77]

Quebeker, soon you'll have a chance to show the world you got brains, that youre not afraid to learn. Take you chance to write a page of literate English, must this chance be a mystery, drama, love story, a dam poem if you want, just write a page of literate English. Stop illiteracy, bring your IQ up, make sense of language, and show the rest of the world that not everyone is the canadian we all mock ruthlessly here in the U.S.

Good luck friend!

That's not saying much Allan. Most all of you Americans mock everyone. The Britsh, French, Italians, Arabs, Chinese, Blacks.....just about every race or country out there. That's a large part of the problem and backs up what I said in my first post. So many of you are so self righteous, it's sickening. You think you are better than everybody else and that is why pretty much the entire world wants American obliterated from the planet. Your country has gone from a well respected and proud nation, to a giant shithole in just 60 years.

Nobody looks up to america now. You are seen largely as self righteous bullies who are hell bent on getting their own way. When you don't, you cry like children for a while, then proceed to do whatever you want anyhow despite what anybody thinks to the contrary. Nobody likes someone who always thinks they are right and obviously nobody likes a nation with that attitude neither. When confronted with this, the common response you get from most Americans is that they don't care what the rest of the world think. Everybody else is an idiot but you Americans.

Being an intelligent guy, that should tell you something loud and clear. Attitudes to the contrary constitute denial, and there's a fuckload of it in your country. For the last 50 years, you guys are right and the other 4.5 billion people on the planet are wrong. Unless of course they happen to agree with your narrow minded ways of thinking.

America will never have change until they can accept the FACT that they're not the supreme beings inhabiting this planet. People who constantly think they're better than others and that their shit don't stink are the least likeable, not to mention some of the most narrow minded and unintelligent pieces of trash to walk the earth. Unfortunately, America is packed full of them.

This post has been edited by LiveRoCkS77: Feb 5 2008, 2:49 am

[Existentialist]

I agree with you wholeheartedly about American citizens' ignorance and arrogance, but I also don't agree that it's entirely their fault and that they are the ones who need to initiate change.

The American government is so far reaching it is almost hilarious. Our media is almost completely monopolized and manipulated to send the government's message, our elections are often rigged and have been for decades, our personal freedoms have been violated to the nth degree, our economy is at the mercy of the fed and their interest rates, and the list goes on and on. So, when we have someone like Bush in the White House, it's very easy to get the masses believing in his foolish, arrogant ways, because that's all we ever see or hear.

This kind of power can be used for good, too. Bill Clinton had everyone fooled in the 90s when he put together the hedonic deflator concept. The hedonic deflator was based on the idea that computer sales not only benefited the seller of the computer, but also the buyer of the computer for the same amount of the selling price. So, if I buy a computer from Dell for $2,000, not only does that help Dell by $2,000, but it also helps me by $2,000 because now I am more productive. Bullshit, right? Well, if you apply that principle millions of times over like they did in the 90s with computers, the GDP is artificially inflated and everyone thinks the economy is great. So basically, the 90s economic "boom" was based on sheer bullshit and changing the rules on how the GDP is calculated without many people knowing.

All of this I use to illustrate my point and that is that you can't blame this all on the American people. Whether the influences are bad or good, it is obvious that the government can majorly influence how citizens think and act and the only way the country will change is if the next person to win a rigged election happens to use his or her power for good. That's pretty much why I like Hillary, because since Bill did good things with his manipulating, I bet she will too.

But hey, stop hating on me for mocking Frenchy trying to speak a little American.

[Badman]

Quebeker, soon you'll have a chance to show the world you got brains, that youre not afraid to learn. Take you chance to write a page of literate English, must this chance be a mystery, drama, love story, a dam poem if you want, just write a page of literate English. Stop illiteracy, bring your IQ up, make sense of language, and show the rest of the world that not everyone is the canadian we all mock ruthlessly here in the U.S.

Good luck friend!

Epic

[oceano1111]

Quebeker, soon you'll have a chance to show the world you got brains, that youre not afraid to learn. Take you chance to write a page of literate English, must this chance be a mystery, drama, love story, a dam poem if you want, just write a page of literate English. Stop illiteracy, bring your IQ up, make sense of language, and show the rest of the world that not everyone is the canadian we all mock ruthlessly here in the U.S.

Good luck friend!

Lol!

I disagree with you guys though in regards to politicians caring about themselves only. To some large degree they do have to play games in dealing with funding and their future potential. I don't think that should speak for all parts about them though. In particular I think Hillary has gotten a bad reputation. She was trying to change the health care system back when Bill first took office, and did she have her eye on the whitehouse then??? She was already in it. I think she cares more about change and less about self image, more so than a lot of people think.

[SJN1279]

It's not that he can't back them up or doesn't want to, but he's in Washington and he can't just say change and have it done. He's still battling the same barriers that Hillary is, and the only reason he probably doesn't have as much opposition as Hillary is because he's only been in congress 3 years. It's too easy to go in and say change, but you are battling congress, other countries, and the economy that is built around world-wide corporations/resource management that inevitably entangle themselves into the political arena and the general public's social welfare.
Change is hard to accomplish, even when there is a plan. Look at the green revolution in India, and what is trying to be done in Africa. Just because you produce more food, doesn't mean it's going to go feed the hungry--largely because of capitalism, but how do you go about changing this system??? Everything builds off something else, and to change one thing involves a series of changes in other ways. To boot, to even approach that sort of change you have to find secure backing which is hard to do with so many different opinions. I think Hillary is too knowledgeable and smart to tout false hope, but will instead attack what needs to be attacked first and I think she knows what to go for to best achieve the most change in a logical, sensible manner that will actually help produce change.

Really well said! Obama lacks the experience necessary to be president of the united states. He spouts off buzz words about change without any real substance behind them. Also for those who said he isn't running on race, he began his speech yesterday by quoting Martin Luther King.

[SJN1279]

America will never have change until they can accept the FACT that they're not the supreme beings inhabiting this planet. People who constantly think they're better than others and that their shit don't stink are the least likeable, not to mention some of the most narrow minded and unintelligent pieces of trash to walk the earth. Unfortunately, America is packed full of them.

If Canada should get attacked, who's the first country the Prime Minister going to call to help? The United States! We may not be the supreme country, but neither are you guys up north.

[LiveRoCkS77]

If Canada should get attacked, who's the first country the Prime Minister going to call to help? The United States! We may not be the supreme country, but neither are you guys up north.

Never said we were superior to anyone.

Second, Canada has NEVER been attacked per say. DUHHHHHHH, do you think there's a reason for that buddy? There sure is, who'd have thought!!

One thing I can say for my pathetic country is that most times, they think before they do. There is a process behind it and most times, it is rational and well thought out. The problem I have with the way we do things here, is that once a conclusion is reached, they pussyfoot like a bunch of pansies for long periods of time before taking any action. Most times, the beauracratic process hinders any sort of harsh action that any ruling party may want to take, appropriate or not.

I think both of our countries could take lessons from one another and valueable ones at that. Our country could use some balls to put it lightly and your leaders could use some common sense instead of acting hastily like children. Rushing into countries like fat 12 year old bully children throwing their weight around, not bothering to think of the consequences. Taking the lives of soldiers under the premise of invisible weapons and faulty intelligence. Lives that mean something to the mothers and fathers who are losing their children as we speak, their fucking children for christ sakes!!!!

And for what? You tell me? Because big eared fuck faggot Bush decided to rush in as soon as somebody told him they had supposed WMD'S over there? So he runs in like the big bad bully, sacrificing the lives of 4,000 American soldiers thus far? Soldiers who have children at home who will never see their daddy again? What a fucking joke. Actually, it's beyond a joke.

Vote for a president who values human life. Vote for a man who truly cares to help the environment and who cares to actually help feed starving children. Not some asshole cocksucker whose priorities are so fucked, he's more interested in spending a trillion dollars on a war he has no business in and billions more in funding to send rockets into space before he makes the effort to feed a fucking child who awakens at night out of hunger. Think about it. Something YOUR politicians haven't done for 60 god damn years.

[Merica]

I must admit that I am somewhat out of my depth here so sadly I can't intelligently debate as much as I'd like to, but it still makes for fascinating reading. LiveRoCkS, your closing paragraphs above are particularly great. Despite the cursive, it still reads like poetry.

What I can say is that I have witnessed a couple of Obama's speeches (on TV and YouTube), and he seems to be different. Not just because he's black, but he seems to have a real youthful passion, and honesty, sincerity about him. Perhaps I'm being a sucker here, but he seems most likely to change things for the better. That's my (most likely misinformed) view, anyway, and I'd be more than happy for someone to enlighten me if they feel I'm being naive.

This post has been edited by Merica: Feb 5 2008, 5:37 pm

[Gunner Scott]

Seems to me that this topic has steered into a political debate. This is only about Ed appearing in the damn video. Who cares whose country is the best?

ps Australia number 1, Australia number 1, Australia number 1......

[LiveRoCkS77]

I must admit that I am somewhat out of my depth here so sadly I can't intelligently debate as much as I'd like to, but it still makes for fascinating reading. LiveRoCkS, your closing paragraphs above are particularly great. Despite the cursive, it still reads like poetry.

What I can say is that I have witnessed a couple of Obama's speeches (on TV and YouTube), and he seems to be different. Not just because he's black, but he seems to have a real youthful passion, and honesty, sincerity about him. Perhaps I'm being a sucker here, but he seems most likely to change things for the better. That's my (most likely misinformed) view, anyway, and I'd be more than happy for someone to enlighten me if they feel I'm being naive.

Thanks Merica....I think???

I also agree with absolutely everything you said in your second paragraph.

[LiveRoCkS77]

I agree with you wholeheartedly about American citizens' ignorance and arrogance, but I also don't agree that it's entirely their fault and that they are the ones who need to initiate change.

The American government is so far reaching it is almost hilarious. Our media is almost completely monopolized and manipulated to send the government's message, our elections are often rigged and have been for decades, our personal freedoms have been violated to the nth degree, our economy is at the mercy of the fed and their interest rates, and the list goes on and on. So, when we have someone like Bush in the White House, it's very easy to get the masses believing in his foolish, arrogant ways, because that's all we ever see or hear.

This kind of power can be used for good, too. Bill Clinton had everyone fooled in the 90s when he put together the hedonic deflator concept. The hedonic deflator was based on the idea that computer sales not only benefited the seller of the computer, but also the buyer of the computer for the same amount of the selling price. So, if I buy a computer from Dell for $2,000, not only does that help Dell by $2,000, but it also helps me by $2,000 because now I am more productive. Bullshit, right? Well, if you apply that principle millions of times over like they did in the 90s with computers, the GDP is artificially inflated and everyone thinks the economy is great. So basically, the 90s economic "boom" was based on sheer bullshit and changing the rules on how the GDP is calculated without many people knowing.

All of this I use to illustrate my point and that is that you can't blame this all on the American people. Whether the influences are bad or good, it is obvious that the government can majorly influence how citizens think and act and the only way the country will change is if the next person to win a rigged election happens to use his or her power for good. That's pretty much why I like Hillary, because since Bill did good things with his manipulating, I bet she will too.

But hey, stop hating on me for mocking Frenchy trying to speak a little American.

Very well put.

With what Bush has done to the economy, it needs some more manipulating. A hollow yet inflated GDP still means more money in the pocket of people who invest their money well. It also stops the potential disastrous domino effect of an exaggerated expectation of recession. Once investors get scared and feel the cat has been let out of the bag, not only is the U.S economy screwed, world markets tumble as a result. Inflated artificially or not, manipulation is needed to keep the ball rolling.

[The Quebeker]

Voilà, tu veux me donner un cours d'anglais, moi je vais t'en donner un de français. Premièrement mon pays ce n'est pas le Canada mais bien le Québec parceque OUI, nous on as eu du guts d'essayer de faire du changement. Nous avons eu 2 referendum pour la séparation et le dernier à été perdu par moins de 0.5%. La raison pour laquelle j'essaie de te parler en anglais (THE ONLY REASON IM TALKING TO YOU IN ENGLISH HERE, AND GOD KNOWS I DO MY BEST, IT'S BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND A DAM WORD NOT FROM YOUR COUNTRY!) c'est que tu comprend rien sinon.

Anyway, ce qu'il faut que tu comprenne ce que en gros, les américains vous êtes vraiment trop con, tellement pas ouvert sur le monde, tellement centré sur vous même...

So let's finish with this: In Quebec, my country, we don''t gives a shit about how strong is our army, our bombs, our nuclear firepower. We care about peoples, peace, cooperation. We find cure, not virus, we find way to make peace (Romeo Dallaire), not war, we find ways to change for a better world: are you?