August 1st, What Happened??? Options

[beau99]

You are in the massive minority. I think those people would say they want you people who like the new stuff to stay home. Nobody is digging SFBM, wake up. It sold 43,000 copies in the US and I bet half of those are in the garbage already.

The vast majority want to see LIVE rock, not sing...la da da da...da da da da da. I'd rather see WD any day than the river and I honestly think anybody who doesn't is a retard.

WD > The River

but

Wings > WD

Besides, they play WD too dang much as it is. I'm glad they're giving it a break.

[torcatofan]

You are in the massive minority. I think those people would say they want you people who like the new stuff to stay home. Nobody is digging SFBM, wake up. It sold 43,000 copies in the US and I bet half of those are in the garbage already.

The vast majority want to see LIVE rock, not sing...la da da da...da da da da da. I'd rather see WD any day than the river and I honestly think anybody who doesn't is a retard.

Exactly.

[Existentialist]

I think that the people who hate it are the "white and nerdy" types who can't get women to say hello to them with a winning lottery ticket glued to their foreheads. People are just jealous of the guys body, plain and simple. Lose a few, get a tan and maybe you'll be proud to show it off too.

I may not have quite the six pack Ed does, but I have a good body and I can bench well over 250. Also, since when does Ed have a tan? He looks like a ghost to me, but probably because I'm from Florida and you're from Canada.

It's not a jealousy thing. Instead, it's an "oh shit, the lead singer of my favorite ROCK band is a prissy bitch" thing.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Aug 3 2007, 8:18 pm

[Hoodstock]

Couldn't disagree with you more. I wish the people that hate the new stuff would stay home and stop yelling "Play Shit Towne!" or "White Discussion" for 2 hours in my ear. I love the old stuff but this isn't a classic rock concert yet. They are a different band than they were in 1994, so I don't want to hear the 1994 setlist.

I agree. When they are done making records and touring nestalgically, then it should be a greatest hits set list. They are still active and creating new stuff.

You don't see a band like U2 not performing new stuff. They still make new music and play it.

[Hoodstock]

Where can I see the review?

And bbtw ANY PICTURES FROM RECENT SHOWS AT ALL????I do not see em!

Seriously , for those that can't figure out how to click on setlist section and read the reviews here they are. I didn't think accessing them would be a problem!

Review by Ray of Buffalo, New York

Good day. Just weighing in on the show my friend Joe and I saw tonite. We saw the triple bill show featuring Collective Soul, Live, and Counting Crows tonite, at Dunn Tire Park here in Buffalo. (Dunn Tire Park is home to the Buffalo Bisons, the triple A farm team of the Cleveland Indians).

My main interest in attending the show was to see Live. Joe, meanwhile, went to pledge his allegiance to Counting Crows, who swept Joe off his fee when he saw them a summer or two ago. (After an excellent ballpark Italian Sausage!!...) The show began promptly at 6:30, when Collective Soul took the stage following the playing of our national anthem. (A bit odd, but,
it did get everyone on their feet!) Collective Soul played a very well-paced, eight-song set. They followed the pattern throughout their set of playing a more obscure song, then one of their hits, then a more obscure song, then one of their hits, etc. While I found (lead singer) Ed Roland's stage presence to be...odd...I did really get off on the band's energy, and my
familiarity with every other song they played. Granted, the crowd (of approximately 4,000ish) was pretty lame throughout the entire nite. In fact, halfway through Collective Soul's set, Ed Roland said something like, "You guys are pretty quiet out there. You're making me nervous." So, considering they were playing to a less-than-enthusiastic audience, I respected them for playing with as much energy as they did. At the very least, they won my respect, and have put themselves on my radar.

After a short break, at exactly 7:34, Live came on stage, to begin what turned out to be a 13-song set. Their set/show was, in a word...totally disappointing. (All right, two words.) They were just so distant, so impersonal,...it just did absolutely nothing for me. Well, wait, it *did* do something for me. It turned me off to the band is what it did. I mean, Ed Kowalczyk has just become too "cool" for me, as evidenced by his on-stage persona. He didn't announce/reference "Buffalo" until moments before playing the final song of the night!! Ridiculous. Heck, they even butchered my second favorite Live song, "Lakini's Juice", which was their last song of the night. Ed was actin' like some friggin' rapper, with his shirt off, prancing around the stage like I was at "Fresh Fest '07", instead of a rock show. Man, "Lakini's Juice" just rocks on record, and tonite, it just blew. I'm so disappointed. I so wanted to see them, and like them. My initial enthusiasm for seeing them left me feeling deflated when they ultimately left the stage.(By the way, they left the stage at 833, making it a 59 minute set.)

Briefly, the Counting Crows. Man, that singer- Adam Duritz- what a great singer!! I never thought much of him, or that band for that matter. But, the thing I took away most from seeing them was his dramatic stage presence, and what a talented, unique singer he is. I only knew three of their songs, but, just having him as the frontman captivated me for most of their set.
However,... (I've always gotta make a Rush comparison/angle...) I'm sure you'd agree that "Mr. Jones" is their biggest song. Well, they played it, as you can imagine. It was the 3rd song of their set. However, it was "Mr. Jones" in name only. They really reworked it, making it barely unrecognizable. It was at that point that I turned to Joe and said, "Makes you appreciate
Rush again, doesn't it." "How", Joe asked. "Well, Rush play "Tom Sawyer" every friggin' night, and play it true to form, as it was recorded- brilliantly- for their fans to enjoy, and have done so for 26 years. The Counting Crows are obviously playing "Mr. Jones" out of obligation, but are bored with it already." (The fact that I made the same point a few songs later, using "The Spirit of Radio" as my Rush-parallel, when the Crows played an altered version of "Long December" probably doesn't surprise you.)

Over all, then, Collective Soul were a pleasant surprise, Live totally disappointed me, and Adam Duritz of the Counting Crows is a great singer/frontman.

Review featured in the The Buffalo News newspaper

A comfortable lineup of ’90s nostalgia
By Christopher Schobert, Contributing Reviewer

The announcement that Counting Crows, Live and Collective Soul were teaming up to play a concert at Dunn Tire Park in Buffalo seems to have been greeted with a collective “Hmm. . . .”

It’s a little odd, after all, this trio of bands. Outside of a few post-Y2K hits for Counting Crows — “Accidentally in Love,” a cover of Joni Mitchell’s “Big Yellow Taxi” — the bands have been on a downward commercial spiral for years.

But all three still have a name-recognition factor and collection of hits many groups would kill for. And while the ballpark’s seating was heavily truncated, with only about a third of the usual seats open, I would still judge the audience size a modest success, and proof that nostalgia package tours — even ’90s nostalgia package tours — can work nicely.

Collective Soul, the evening’s kickoff artists, actually found themselves back in the news recently for signing an exclusive deal with Target to act as the only nondigital retailer for the band’s latest album, “Afterwords.”

The new deal may have upped their confidence quotient, as singer Ed Roland now sports a blond “do” and pulled rock star poses throughout the set, while the band’s sound was far more muscular than expected.

“We’ve got a lot of songs to play for you and not a lot of time to do it,” quipped Roland, and he was correct — for every “December” or “Shine” that made the cut, there were many hits that did not. With likable banter and enthusiasm, the Soul was a very pleasant treat, and their emphasis on radio favorites made definite headway with the crowd.

I wish I could say that Live kept that spirit alive, but alas, they did not; except for a nice, brooding cover of “Walk the Line” and a pounding “Lakini’s Juice,” the set closer, Ed Kowalczyk’s band was downright dull.

This was a Western New York return for Live, following a pretty solid set at UB’s Alumni Arena in 2006, and say what you will about their clear lack of subtlety, the band has always been capable of meaty shout rock.

But for the most part, it just didn’t work on this night, coming across as sub-Daughtry, with a shocking emphasis on newer, less-popular material. You know it’s a bad sign when watching folks gyrate in the stands is more interesting than what’s on stage.

Counting Crows were the headliners of the show, and they should be. They are now a veteran act, with a greatest hits record behind them and a string of hot actresses on singer Adam Duritz’s romantic resume.

As Duritz — still instantly recognizable — and company strode on stage, it became clear the crowd was overwhelmingly there to see them, and they responded with a surprise, the dreaded “new one.” But “Washington Square,” a track from the band’s upcoming record, “Saturday Night and Sunday Morning,” was a gentle gem, a “Round Here”-style ballad that lacked that song’s hook but kept its soaring melody.

Overall, the Crows’ set list had just enough classics, like “Mr. Jones,” to keep the masses happy, and the smell of nostalgia in the air.

Maybe ’90s flashbacks aren’t so scary after all.

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Aug 3 2007, 9:00 pm

[LiveRoCkS77]

WD > The River

but

Wings > WD

Besides, they play WD too dang much as it is. I'm glad they're giving it a break.

Wings over White Discussion?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...I gotta take that as a joke, no other way i can take it really.

[LiveRoCkS77]

I may not have quite the six pack Ed does, but I have a good body and I can bench well over 250. Also, since when does Ed have a tan? He looks like a ghost to me, but probably because I'm from Florida and you're from Canada.

It's not a jealousy thing. Instead, it's an "oh shit, the lead singer of my favorite ROCK band is a prissy bitch" thing.

Fair enough. But being from Florida don't mean shit. Our summers here are easily just as warm and sunny as yours. We probably have more people here looking like they're from Cuba than you do. But aside from that, take a look at Ed. He may not be tanned to the max but he is not exactly white neither, nowhere near ghost like.

[torcatofan]

Wings over White Discussion?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...I gotta take that as a joke, no other way i can take it really.

LiveRocks, you have to understand that this is just the sad reality of what Live fans have become. Just as Live has become soft, so have the fans. And unfortunately, as long as the fans keep enjoying the crap that Live is putting out, they will continue to put it out. Personally, I'd rather see them quit now before they completely tarnish their reputation as a rock band.

By the way, White Discussion is one of Live's greatest songs. If someone thinks Wings is a better song, I'd like that person to tell me the same thing after seeing both songs performed at the same show.

[LiveRoCkS77]

LiveRocks, you have to understand that this is just the sad reality of what Live fans have become. Just as Live has become soft, so have the fans. And unfortunately, as long as the fans keep enjoying the crap that Live is putting out, they will continue to put it out. Personally, I'd rather see them quit now before they completely tarnish their reputation as a rock band.

By the way, White Discussion is one of Live's greatest songs. If someone thinks Wings is a better song, I'd like that person to tell me the same thing after seeing both songs performed at the same show.

It is very sad....you'd think that after seeing V, BOP and SFBM not selling collectively what TDTH did, they'd wake the fuck up and realize that what they're doing isn't working. Crowds at concerts are dwindling.....I mean 4,000 at a triple play show?

I don't give a crap what any of these LIVE-Britney Spears fans say, WD is a must at every concert. Even if it gets old to the diehards, which I can't see. It's a kick ass rock song that the fans of the bands they tour with need to hear. I'd be happy hearing them do WD to open AND close for christ sakes, rather than hear The River or Mystery or any of this new crap.

[Existentialist]

So ironic to hear a guy insult "Live-Britney Spears" fans yet advocate Ed taking his shirt off and prancing around like a bitch...

And please, Canada as hot and sunny as Florida during the summer? Give me a break Canadian!

[beau99]

Wings over White Discussion?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...I gotta take that as a joke, no other way i can take it really.

Um, I never said I hate WD.

I just said it's old and tired and needs a break. Recently when I've been playing Live songs on Winamp I've skipped WD every time. I've personally overplayed it, that's all.

[LiveRoCkS77]

So ironic to hear a guy insult "Live-Britney Spears" fans yet advocate Ed taking his shirt off and prancing around like a bitch...

And please, Canada as hot and sunny as Florida during the summer? Give me a break Canadian!

Yes dumb as wood American. You live there and know nothing but what is there? All of the hottest temps recorded over the past 3 months have ALL been in Canada. In Toronto, we're entering our 11th straight day of temperatures over 30 degrees celsius and our humidex has constantly been over 40 celsius. That rarely changes from June to September so yes, we are just as hot and sunny as you are dumb american boy.

On top of that, the hottest temp on the planet this year was just recorded in alberta 2 days ago. With the temperature reaching 46 degrees celsius and the humidex reaching a scorching 56.5 degrees. Much much MUCH hotter than it's been anywhere in the US over the past 20 years.

So get a life and do some research once in a while. The world doesn't revolve around the US. And contrary to your idiotic american beliefs, polar bears do not wander our streets....and we don't skate to work. Morons...

This post has been edited by LiveRoCkS77: Aug 4 2007, 9:08 am

[torcatofan]

Um, I never said I hate WD.

I just said it's old and tired and needs a break. Recently when I've been playing Live songs on Winamp I've skipped WD every time. I've personally overplayed it, that's all.

Just because you have been listening to Wings more than White Discussion, doesn't mean it's a better song. I see what you are trying to say, but you should be careful how you say it. Wings is not and will never be a better song than White Discussion, and I think you know that. If you've seen Live perform these songs, you would definitely know.