Long time listener, first time caller, SFBM, Live & evolution Options

[Pokey]

From what I can gather the original post was a new member saying hi and myself and mcpheezy disagreed with a few points he made .. liverocks then decided to tell us how much we suck for bringing up a live related debate and it went off topic from there.

So to the original poster, hello!

[mrmcpheezy]

Yeah, wassup?

[Live4LiVE4ever]

I think you may be my SOULMATE! Everything you said about Live (with the exception of BOP - my fav so far) I agree with. I am a Live fan - always have been always will be. Their CD's consume my 6 disc changer and they are never taken out. I am a freak when it comes to Live. Have a Live tattoo, had a gold Live charm made for my bracelet, & will do just about anything to get to a concert! Have traveled to Cleveland and New York last and this year and plan to keep traveling to see as many concerts as I can. I love all the new songs so far from SFBM - especially Love Shines. What an awesome song!

Your name wouldn't happen to be Chris and you wouldn't be from Ohio would you be?

Anyway, glad to know there are other Live fans out there that appreciate them like I do.

Hey all,

I don't post here much, but I've been reading all of the posts lately regarding the new album and Live's sound. I thought I'd share my 2 cents.

To be objective is almost impossible, especially for a follower of a band that I've literally grown up with (their music is the soundtrack of my life). For this reason, its hard for us to objectively judge their music. But in a very strange way, we are the best critiques of Live's music because we know them so well. How can someone who never gives Live a read chance, be a good judge of their music? For that, I say, fuck all of the big name reviews you see.

I was watching a video from back in early 1994 when Live played in Sao Paolo, Brazil. They were terribly young, but there was such a raw energy coming from their hearts, it was impossible not to notice this band. They fuckin' kicked ass; as simple as their music was, it was so powerful. There was a "raw" nature about Ed's voice. It was deeper, had more grit, and cut through you like the sharpest knife. God, I miss that sound of Live...I can't deny that I do.

As Live evolved, and as their music evolved, its evident that things have changed from those early days. They're more refined, more talented musically, and perhaps they no longer have to prove anything to anyone. Up until TDTH, Live, to me, was nothing short of ground-breaking and inspirational. Those 1st 4 albums...jesus, man, they constantly play in my head...non-stop. They are a part of who I am. It was at V that I got worried. Truthfully, save about 3 songs off that album...the rest was pure garbage in my opinion. Live's sound (mainly the lyrics, to be honest) became overly produced, almost forced, and plain corny.

That didn't stop me from listening to Live all the time. I took the album for what it was, dissected it, took from it what I enjoyed and what was the essence of Live, and I moved on, waiting for more. Then, BOP: At this point, I was one of the only people I knew still listening to Live. Is this Live's best album? No. But it had sparks of genius that reaffirmed for me that this band was right for me. For those of you that don't agree, take one good listen to "Lighthouse" and you'll know what I mean. After V, I was weary, but that song alone made me realize that this band makes me feel emotions inside that I can't describe...that no other music does. No other band can make a rock song like that...period.

Its obvious that Live's gradual move towards a more laid-back, poppier sound is going to be even more pronounced in SFBM. But god damn, even if it sounds a bit poppier than what I usually listen to, no one else in music does it like Live. They just have a "sound" that can't be understood fully...you just feel it. Again, if you don't believe me, take a listen to the pre-chorus in "mystery," when ed sings, "oh, how it deepens"....that is Live. That pre-chorus is Live; that sound is the sound of the band that still inspires me to this day - they aren't afraid to talk about seemingly "corny" topics like love, they are positive, spiritual, and deep. (even if the lyrics don't seem that way sometimes) If that doesn't make sense to you, then perhaps Live is not the band that plays in your soul.

Do I think SFBM will be Live's best album? No, throwing copper is #1 for me. But do I think that I'd rather listen to anything Live puts out over 98% of the music out there? Yes, almost always. Because I have evolved and grown to love their change of sound, and I appreciate it for what it is. We'll never get another Throwing Copper - that was a stepping stone for 4 young guys; that's what came out of them in 1994....SFBM is from the same guys 12 years later. And somehow, they still find a way to blow my mind album after album...even if its just a few songs....

Sorry for the long post, kids. I needed to get that out. Enjoy the music.

[LiveRoCkS77]

Um, no bashing other members, please.

Excuse me Dan? WTF is your problem? I'm not allowed to tell people to fuck off?

Where are your posts telling McPheezy to stop calling people idiots? Telling people to stfu? Calling people morons?

I think you need to back the fuck up and stay out of my face. Thanks

[mrmcpheezy]

Excuse me Dan? WTF is your problem? I'm not allowed to tell people to fuck off?

Where are your posts telling McPheezy to stop calling people idiots? Telling people to stfu? Calling people morons?

I think you need to back the fuck up and stay out of my face. Thanks

lol banned.

[mrmcpheezy]

...ok.

[LiveRoCkS77]

What makes you think it has to come from the heart of Kowalczyk (not that I'm saying it doesn't) and not some other pop artists? Is it just because YOU like Live?
Regardless of it coming straight from the heart or not, the fact is the lyrics, the music everything is just utterly uncreative to the bone and like most pop songs probably has a shelf life of about 6 months.
So is this just liking it for the sake of liking it? Liking it because it's Live? If you don't like it, but you respect it then does this mean you have to respect pretty much every single song ever in the history if music? Because you don't really have any way of being able to tell if an artist is being genuine so should you just respect it all?
But if you look at it that way, fine I to respect it that it's close to the heart of the musician I love, however I don't respect the complete and utter lack of creativity in it .. the two for me are a vital element in music .. I don't want to listen to some souless rubbish that the singing doesn't really believe 100%, nor do I wish to listen to a band on auto-pilot that aren't really putting any effort into their work. What I love about Live's earlier work is that it does combine those two elements.
Well you think wrong. Don't turn this into a "you young whipper-snappers!" type thing because age has nothing to do with it. Creativity doesn't matter? Ok lets try this as an example.
Let's say you work for an advertising company, there is a product that you really really believe in you want to let the world know how fantastic it is and that they all should have it .. do you just get a big sheet of paper and draw a picture of said product on it and say "get this" or do you put some effort into it to really showcase how amazing it is, try to make it stand out from the rest and have a long lasting effect. THAT is why creativity is important. Without it, it just because lost in the crowd which is what Live is sounding like .. no different from all the other stuff on the radio now .. once upon a time they stood right out and the sad part is that inside them still they should have the ability to still do that, but they're not. They seem to be taking the easy way, write simple as hell pop songs and let the record company do all the work pushing them rather than letting the music speak for itself.

WOW!!!! I supposedly write these big long posts??? That's pretty funny, you thinking you're clever for using that against me as some form of ridicule. Then you come back and write a post a mile long. Good job pal.

And tell me where I said I liked it? PLEASE? You ask me what I'm arguing about? Then you post this nonsense? WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LIKING IT?

Respecting it for me, is about respecting the band Live. Has nothing to do with respecting everything or anything ANY other artist makes. AGAIN, what are you arguing about here? This is about the most ridiculous, pointless, baseless argument I've ever seen.

I've respected Live from the beginning for being open with their music. FACT is, it left them open to be ridiculed by many. They've always been known as a band that is actually too open with their views on religion and love and all that.

I BELIEVE that their music is genuine and that's all that really matters to me. Partially subjective? YES....But who cares? So is almost every religion, so is the question as to whether or not god actually exists.

You supposed advertising example is really baseless too. Or as pheez says "subjective" Some people put tonnes of work into advertising their product and it has the reverse effect. Sometimes it's the most simple things that say the most. Try watching most of the commercials on TV today for easy examples.

So don't try and prove a point whilst arguing something purely subjective in nature. It proves nothing. Even your argument about how LIVE "used" to be creative, but isn't now. Prove it! it's all subjective yet you're talking about it as if what you're trying to prove is backed up with fact.

Surprised pheezy isn't all over you for this. But then again, the both of you just seem oh so anxious to prove yourselves right. All because I simply said that if you're just going to consistently bag the band, you should fuck off and find something else. Which may be subjective as well, but sure makes a lot of sense.

[Soxwsc]

I don't think Liverocks is behaving any differently than mcpheezy and his few admirers. They're all fucking idiots if you ask me.

[LiveRoCkS77]

I don't think Liverocks is behaving any differently than mcpheezy and his few admirers. They're all fucking idiots if you ask me.

Oh yeah Sox??? What did I do to you????

That's it, I think it's time to go on a crusade about how great SFBM is. I love it. I love pop music too.

Oh, and I love you too mcpheezy. Your posts are so creative that it's inspired me to sing SFBM to myself all day. Can you use some more creative language for me? I'll sing my version of The River to you in my creative voice.
Maybe you'll like it then?

[Soxwsc]

Oh yeah Sox??? What did I do to you????

That's it, I think it's time to go on a crusade about how great SFBM is. I love it. I love pop music too.

Oh, and I love you too mcpheezy. Your posts are so creative that it's inspired me to sing SFBM to myself all day. Can you use some more creative language for me? I'll sing my version of The River to you in my creative voice.
Maybe you'll like it then?

LOL

[loopyhels]

[font=Comic Sans Ms][size=5][color=#3366FF]bloody hell!! you lot need to great a grip!!

Excuse me Dan? WTF is your problem? I'm not allowed to tell people to fuck off?

Where are your posts telling McPheezy to stop calling people idiots? Telling people to stfu? Calling people morons?

I think you need to back the fuck up and stay out of my face. Thanks

[LiveRoCkS77]

[font=Comic Sans Ms][size=5][color=#3366FF]bloody hell!! you lot need to great a grip!!

And I think you need to get a bloody education matie!

[Pokey]

Surprised pheezy isn't all over you for this. But then again, the both of you just seem oh so anxious to prove yourselves right. All because I simply said that if you're just going to consistently bag the band, you should fuck off and find something else. Which may be subjective as well, but sure makes a lot of sense.

I'm not gonna argue with you anymore about the topic at hand because we've both said our pieces. But anyways, what business is it of yours if we fuck off or not? You don't even post here besides popping up occassionally to fight with McPheezy or myself.

[LiveRoCkS77]

I'm not gonna argue with you anymore about the topic at hand because we've both said our pieces. But anyways, what business is it of yours if we fuck off or not? You don't even post here besides popping up occassionally to fight with McPheezy or myself.

Good point actually....Can I sing Mystery to you to make up for it? I sound a bit like Roseanne hitting the high notes but I do well on the rest. Come on dude, what's yer phone number?

Your Mystereeeee...heeeehehehehehheeeeeeee

[Pokey]

You'd make an international call just to torture me?

Dude, you couldn't sing it any worse than Ed does anyways so it's a waste of time