if you're a Christian..... please read Options

[livebat]

jajajaja, sorry, i missed the first and second topic (i guess) but really, i, through the years, been passed for a lot of religions, my mom is catholic (i dunno if i write it well, i'm a little bit drunk ), my grandma (mom of my dad) is like we said "Curandera" in english there's no translation, but it's like a witch, my grandpa (dad of my mom) is in the "logia masonica" (i dunno how it says in english) and of all of them i've been there... i had a taste of all of them, and really, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT THAT DIVERSITY!!! I DON'T GIVE ASHIT IF LIVE OR ED OR JESUS HIMSELF KNOCK THE DOOR OF MY HOUSE, AND THEN THE WORLD, BY MAGIC, TURN INTO A BETTER PLACE OR A WORSE PLACE, I DON'T CARE!!!

I ONLY WANT GOOD MUSIC, GOOD FELLINGS FOR THE HUMANITY... AND LIVE GIVE ME THAT!!!

trust me, i bet that you hear Marilyn Manson or Rammstein... and of course, do u like South Park???

IF YOU WANT TO PREACH, IF YOU WANT A BAND WITH THAT, MAN, MAKE YOUR OWN BAND, MAKE YOUR OWN LYRICS!!! AND PLEASE, MAKE YOUR OWN MESSAGE BOARD!!!

[sisterdew]

hehehe, 'mierenneuker' is indeed the perfect way to describe you...

and as a complete atheist i don't give a F.... about this subject...

please, do go away and keep your word this time!!!

sis

[Nats]

Dude…seriously, Live is not evil. Murderers are evil, rapist are evil, terrorist are evil…a band, with a lead singer who believes in love and harmony and higher levels of thinking that I wouldn’t waste my time trying to explain to a closed minded bigot is not evil.

If you want to save the world concentrate your efforts on real problems like global warming

[Senghe]

Like any common troll, He's here for attention.

That's why he hasn't yet left, and will never leave.

I feel a bit sorry for him to be honest. We should look on humouring him as an act of compassion. He's doing the cyber equivalent of deliberately hurting himself so he can go to hospital and everybody will fuss around him.

[Edismyhero]

hey everyone

Í believe in Christ etc, but I totally don't see why I should hate Live or Ed for their/his believe, so I don't understand that topic starter

But whatever, I was always wondering about the following lyric: can anyone tell me what it means?
Or what you think Ed means by this
"and to Christ: a cross
and to me: a chair
I will sit and earn the ransom from up here"

You know somewhere I remember seeing a chair referenced as some sort of symbol as like a throne of judgement or something, but I can't seem to find where I got that idea again. I had looked it up because it was on the cover of this oddball book I saw in a bookstore once that had a bunch of symbols on it, and I immediately thought of this lyric. If this were the case, what Ed could be saying is that the judgement that traditional fundamental christianity is much like that of complete ransom. "Hey, we won't be raped like that". So, if you are like this gotriz guy you probably would find this lyric completely offensive, IF you want to believe what the church shoves down your throat(salvation solely through a professed belief). It's something else to take Jesus and the teachings and make them your own, find your OWN cross, deny yourself for the betterment of the world. The church for the most part puts a lot more control in there.

[SecretInsomnia]

You know somewhere I remember seeing a chair referenced as some sort of symbol as like a throne of judgement or something, but I can't seem to find where I got that idea again. I had looked it up because it was on the cover of this oddball book I saw in a bookstore once that had a bunch of symbols on it, and I immediately thought of this lyric. If this were the case, what Ed could be saying is that the judgement that traditional fundamental christianity is much like that of complete ransom. "Hey, we won't be raped like that". So, if you are like this gotriz guy you probably would find this lyric completely offensive, IF you want to believe what the church shoves down your throat(salvation solely through a professed belief). It's something else to take Jesus and the teachings and make them your own, find your OWN cross, deny yourself for the betterment of the world. The church for the most part puts a lot more control in there.

well tnx for commenting on that!

[FishOutaWater]

well tnx for commenting on that!

I interpret the lyrics you mentioned "and to Christ: a cross/and to me: a chair/I will sit and earn the ransom from up here" as follows:

The picture on the cover of the album is a preacher leading a congregation off a cliff. The message in much of the album is about self-proclaimed religious leaders dictating to their followers what the truth is, controlling their followers beliefs to accrue more power and monetary rewards to themselves. The title of the song is Selling the Drama. To me, I have always interpretted "Selling tha Drama" to mean the self-proclaimed religious leaders "selling" the story or "drama" of loving God, fearing the flame, burning the crowd that has a name (those nonbelievers who we label as such, who will go to hell), right and wrong, meek and strong, and so on. Those are the stories that we are told by the leaders. Those stories create fear and seperation which, in turn, accrues more power to the leaders who teach them.

So I think the last line "to Christ: a cross/and to me: a chair/I will sit and earn the ransom from up here" is a lyric that comes from a preacher in the first person -- Christ hung on a cross and earned his ransom (spiritual transformation or salvation) through his crucifiction. The preacher sits on a chair at the pulpit and earns his ranson (cash) from the chair. To me, it points to the corruption of the preacher and the contradiction of Chritst's sacrifice of his life out of compassion, verses the preachers lack of sacrifice, sitting in a chair at the pulpit, exploiting Christ on the cross, to "earn" a ransom of cash in Christ's name. To me, the lines hey, now we won't be raped/hey, now we won't be scarred like that" are intended to be a rejection of the drama that the preacher is selling for his own personal gain.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Mar 9 2007, 9:16 am

[Good_Pain]

Hey guys I grew up the son of a (Baptist) Preacher Man and the truth is I believe even he is more opened minded than this joker. I do not place myself as the highest level of Christianity as apparently this so called poster does. The holy than thou attitude is exactly what kills Christian congregations across the country and the exact reason why Christianity splintered into so many groups (Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterians, etc.) during the Great Awakening period of the mid to late 1800's. It is mans laws that has caused Christians not to be united not the music of LIVE or any other band for that matter. Your hang-up gotigerz is that you have found a target for your hatred and angst without thinking about what it truly means to be a Christian. Christianity is based on a personal relationship with God and who are you to judge.

For all that you have said I will leave you with this from the Gospel of St. Matthew

Chapter 7

Verses: 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24

[Good_Pain]

Hey guys I grew up the son of a (Baptist) Preacher Man and the truth is I believe even he is more opened minded than this joker. I do not place myself as the highest level of Christianity as apparently this so called poster does. The holy than thou attitude is exactly what kills Christian congregations across the country and the exact reason why Christianity splintered into so many groups (Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterians, etc.) during the Great Awakening period of the mid to late 1800's. It is mans laws that has caused Christians not to be united not the music of LIVE or any other band for that matter. Your hang-up gotigrz is that you have found a target for your hatred and angst without thinking about what it truly means to be a Christian. Christianity is based on a personal relationship with God and who are you to judge.

For all that you have said I will leave you with this from the Gospel of St. Matthew

Chapter 7

Verses: 1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

This post has been edited by Good_Pain: Mar 9 2007, 9:33 am

[Pokey]

I have to say I pretty much always, well not always cos I was 8 when the album came out, but for a long time have had the exact same view on the song as the above post.

[crazy1]

this band disgusts me.... the lead singer is claiming to be some sort of god or prophet in his lyrics. i'm sure most of you know all the words to their songs, so i don't need to do any cut and pasting, but if you're a Christian.... i don't see how you can not be offended by this band.
if you're not a Christian.... this band wont bother you. i know i'll get blasted by most on here, but if you think for one second that this band isn't (in a way) preaching a universal religion (not Christianity) then you're sadly mistaken... like i said... if you're not a Christian and don't claim to be.... rock on w/ this crap.... but if truly are a Christian then stand up for Jesus Christ and what He did for you and all mankind and walk away from this band. this band is dead to me.

YOU disgust me! This is A FANS OF LIVE website, why are you posting here?!!!
Maybe if we ignore him he will go away.

[edstipe]

This thread pretty much encapsulates the reason why I am more scared of religious zealots than any other person, place, or thing on Earth.

And the reason why I refuse to practice any type of organized cult...err, religion.

That being said, I think gotigrz problem is not only his desperate, child-like need for attention, but also his inability to read. None of the quotes he provided has anything to do with blasphemy, or claiming to be a god/prophet, or preaching some sort of religion. Many of them have nothing to do with religion at all.

Perhaps we should pool some money together to send him back to middle school to learn how to read figuratively. That would be the good Christian thing to do, right?

[slainte]

^^^

and they say this board is boring.... where should i send my pennies to send his hypocritical ass back to even say kindergarten where we all learned the value of sharing, time out and naps.



and it harm none....as i will it, so mote it be.

This post has been edited by slainte: Mar 9 2007, 10:37 am

[Pokey]

Send him to Sunday school, I think he'd be happier there.

[Nedra]

I interpret the lyrics you mentioned "and to Christ: a cross/and to me: a chair/I will sit and earn the ransom from up here" as follows:

The picture on the cover of the album is a preacher leading a congregation off a cliff. The message in much of the album is about self-proclaimed religious leaders dictating to their followers what the truth is, controlling their followers beliefs to accrue more power and monetary rewards to themselves. The title of the song is Selling the Drama. To me, I have always interpretted "Selling tha Drama" to mean the self-proclaimed religious leaders "selling" the story or "drama" of loving God, fearing the flame, burning the crowd that has a name (those nonbelievers who we label as such, who will go to hell), right and wrong, meek and strong, and so on. Those are the stories that we are told by the leaders. Those stories create fear and seperation which, in turn, accrues more power to the leaders who teach them.

So I think the last line "to Christ: a cross/and to me: a chair/I will sit and earn the ransom from up here" is a lyric that comes from a preacher in the first person -- Christ hung on a cross and earned his ransom (spiritual transformation or salvation) through his crucifiction. The preacher sits on a chair at the pulpit and earns his ranson (cash) from the chair. To me, it points to the corruption of the preacher and the contradiction of Chritst's sacrifice of his life out of compassion, verses the preachers lack of sacrifice, sitting in a chair at the pulpit, exploiting Christ on the cross, to "earn" a ransom of cash in Christ's name. To me, the lines hey, now we won't be raped/hey, now we won't be scarred like that" are intended to be a rejection of the drama that the preacher is selling for his own personal gain.

Once again, Fish, you eloquently wrote what I was thinking much better than I could have...

I completely agree with your interpretation of the lyric.

I'd add: "I will sit and earn the ransom from up here" from a wider viewpoint might also include the individuals and the groups among "congregations" and the judgement/hypocrisy within them.

Regardless of my personal beliefs, Ed's lyrics (over many years) lead me to question, to ponder, to meditate, to search for truth and meaning and to practice being in the moment. That's a GOOD thing.