if you're a Christian..... please read Options

[gotigrz]

this band disgusts me.... the lead singer is claiming to be some sort of god or prophet in his lyrics. i'm sure most of you know all the words to their songs, so i don't need to do any cut and pasting, but if you're a Christian.... i don't see how you can not be offended by this band.
if you're not a Christian.... this band wont bother you. i know i'll get blasted by most on here, but if you think for one second that this band isn't (in a way) preaching a universal religion (not Christianity) then you're sadly mistaken... like i said... if you're not a Christian and don't claim to be.... rock on w/ this crap.... but if truly are a Christian then stand up for Jesus Christ and what He did for you and all mankind and walk away from this band. this band is dead to me.

[flyersfan62379]

You've been here before and uttered the same crap. No one agrees with you. Especially since this is a LIVE FAN WEBSITE. Go back to your red state.

[FishOutaWater]

this band disgusts me.... the lead singer is claiming to be some sort of god or prophet in his lyrics. i'm sure most of you know all the words to their songs, so i don't need to do any cut and pasting, but if you're a Christian.... i don't see how you can not be offended by this band.
if you're not a Christian.... this band wont bother you. i know i'll get blasted by most on here, but if you think for one second that this band isn't (in a way) preaching a universal religion (not Christianity) then you're sadly mistaken... like i said... if you're not a Christian and don't claim to be.... rock on w/ this crap.... but if truly are a Christian then stand up for Jesus Christ and what He did for you and all mankind and walk away from this band. this band is dead to me.

Wow, you make such a compelling argument. Please tell me -- what band are you referring to so that I can be sure to avoid them?! I would never want to listen to a band whose lead singer claims to be some sort of god or prophet or that preaches teachings that are inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus! I mostly listen to Live, so I probably don't even listen to whatever band it is that you are referring to, but just in case, please do tell, who is this horrible blasphemous band that you are talking about?

[torcatofan]

if you're not a Christian and don't claim to be.... rock on w/ this crap....

Wow...here we go again.

Please do us all a favor and don't be so disrespectful of other religions. I don't give a shit if you want to preach your stuff on this board (even though this is a LIVE board, not a Christianity board) since I respect your religious beliefs (even though I don't necessarily agree with them), but if you don't respect everyone elses' beliefs, please leave.

[gotigrz]

first, i think the ones blasting me should read the title of this thread.... if you're not a Christian and don't claim to be.... i'm not really even talking to you.

but, fishoutawater... you asked what band i was talking about.... well, here are some lyrics by this band:

[quote]it's got you now, so i will play
it's got you now, so i will play, play,
saviour for a day

let me be your saviour...

don't you know, i so love you
don't you know, i so care
don't you know, don't you know, don't you know i so need you
don't you know, i so care
so let me be your saviour today![/quote]

[quote]I have never taken Life
Yet I have often paid the price[/quote]

[quote]Heard a lot of talk about this Jesus
A man of love, and a man of strength
But what a man was two thousand years ago
means nothing at all to me today[/quote]

[quote]and to Christ: a cross
and to me: a chair
I will sit and earn the ransom from up here[/quote]

[quote]waitin' on a rescue that never comes[/quote]

[quote]bow, bow everybody body in the hotel bow,
bow everybody in the motel don't knock if the door to my suite is closed

transmit your love to me and silently make me whole again
transmit your love to me[/quote]

[quote]Darling, I feel like a god when I am next to you
Something worth the worship of this honest fool[/quote]

[quote]If you want to love like a god
You got to bleed like a god
You got to fight like a god
Let go of who you are
Cling to me now

Show a little love to me[/quote]

is that enough????????? if you can't see the blasphemy in these lyrics... then you're either: (a) not able to comprehend or (b) to lazy to admit that this band is what it is..... evil.


"Please do us all a favor and don't be so disrespectful of other religions.".... what other religion have i dissed.

"I don't give a shit if you want to preach your stuff on this board (even though this is a LIVE board, not a Christianity board)"..... so, you're admitting that LIVE and Christianity don't mesh...

since I respect your religious beliefs (even though I don't necessarily agree with them), but if you don't respect everyone elses' beliefs, please leave..... oh, don't worry... i'll be gone in a short while... and like i said before... don't blast me for standing up for what i believe in.... if you're not a Christian.... then don't read this thread.... just as the title stated.

but, if you ARE a Christian.... open your eyes to what it is that you're listening to.

This post has been edited by gotigrz: Mar 8 2007, 10:05 am

[FishOutaWater]

Woah, dude, none of those lyrics except for the one from Operation Spirit, that specifically references Jesus, has anything to do with religious messianic theology. Much like I expect is the way you read the bible, you have read these lyrics literally when they are metaphors, similes and symbolism. If you can't see that, then I'm afraid that you are the ignorant one here. And the lines from Operation Spirit have been thoroughly vetted here in another thread. They must be read in the context fo the entire song, which talks about letting go of the conditioned, learned, doctrinal beliefs about Jesus and God, and elevating Christ's spirit out from the confines of a prayer recited by us today, and getting back a spiritual state together, from a place of pure unconditioned consciousness. I have no doubt that what I just said went completely over your head and the meaning is totally lost on you, but I thought I'd say it anyway.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Mar 8 2007, 10:07 am

[torcatofan]

"Please do us all a favor and don't be so disrespectful of other religions.".... what other religion have i dissed.

"I don't give a shit if you want to preach your stuff on this board (even though this is a LIVE board, not a Christianity board)"..... so, you're admitting that LIVE and Christianity don't mesh...

since I respect your religious beliefs (even though I don't necessarily agree with them), but if you don't respect everyone elses' beliefs, please leave..... oh, don't worry... i'll be gone in a short while... and like i said before... don't blast me for standing up for what i believe in.... if you're not a Christian.... then don't read this thread.... just as the title stated.

but, if you ARE a Christian.... open your eyes to what it is that you're listening to.

- You have dissed all other religions by saying only non-Christians should be allowed to listen to this "crap".

- Live and Christianity don't mesh. They aren't Creed.

- Last time you did this, you said you'd be gone soon. Obviously that was utter bullshit.

- I am not blasting you for standing up for what you believe in, but I do believe this is completely the wrong venue for that.

- And most importantly, don't tell me which threads I can read. As a member of this board (for much longer than you cough cough), I can read whatever fucking threads I want to read. I should be the one telling you not to let religion take over your fucking life, but I'm trying to be nice about it....oops.

k that's all

[Pokey]

Hang on .. I'm not a christian but I still read this thread .. am I going to hell?

And if you're a christian and you really believe all you wrote, aren't you like .. supposed to just forgive Ed anyways?

[gotigrz]

way to make the lyrics say what you want them to say.

I would never want to listen to a band whose lead singer claims to be some sort of god or prophet or that preaches teachings that are inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus!

fishoutawater,

the lead singer has clearly stated that what he sings about is not from a Christian point of view. (see the max sessions) he's not hiding it,... so why do you choose not to see it?

[gotigrz]

Hang on .. I'm not a christian but I still read this thread .. am I going to hell?

read the bible and you tell me.

And if you're a christian and you really believe all you wrote, aren't you like .. supposed to just forgive Ed anyways?

i have forgiven ed... but, according to the bible,... what he says in his songs is still wrong. so, why should i keep listening to him? so, i don't anymore. and i suggest anyone else that reads this, if they are a Christian, to do the same.

[Pokey]

What, you want me to read all of the bible?

Seriously come on, you're quoting a whole song there that was written when he was what, 15?
If he was really preaching that he was Jesus or something then why would Jesus be talking up how great other religious icons are from other faiths?

lol wouldn't you be so wrecked if he actually turned out to be God. I'd laugh at you.

[FishOutaWater]

way to make the lyrics say what you want them to say.
fishoutawater,

the lead singer has clearly stated that what he sings about is not from a Christian point of view. (see the max sessions) he's not hiding it,... so why do you choose not to see it?

I didn't say that the lyrics are from a Christian point of view. I just said that the lyrics you quoted are not anti-Christian, nor do they have anything to do with Christianity.

You can certainly suggest that anyone who is a Christian should not listen to Live, but that is just your point of view based on your personal beliefs regarding Christianity. Your version of Christianity is not the only way to practice Christianity. There are many other ways of practicing Chrstianity, other views of Christianity and other interpretations of the teachings and meaning of Jesus. Yours may be right or it may be wrong. I personally think it is wrong.

But here's the problem that I have with many vocal Christians today. If you think that only your way is right, then you are closed minded. Those open to the possibility that a different view could be right, but feel more comfortable with their own view, are open minded and tolerant.

If you are telling Christians not to listen to Live, then I interpret that as you saying that your view of Christianity is correct, and the views others may have as Christians, who feel that it is OK to listen to Live, are wrong. Otherwise, you would accept that others want to listen to Live and you would not feel the need to change other peoples behaviors to comform to your views.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Mar 8 2007, 11:04 am

[gotigrz]

Christianity is Christianity.... there are not many forms of It. Jesus said "you are either for Me or against Me".... plain and simple.

[FishOutaWater]

Christianity is Christianity.... there are not many forms of It. Jesus said "you are either for Me or against Me".... plain and simple.

Wrong. There are as many forms of it as there are people who have read the written words and heard the commentary offered for almost two thousand years, and then have taken meaning from that. That is most obvious from the many denominations of Christianty, and the bookshelves full of books about Christianity. On a more basic level, the heart, conscience and mind of free will of each and every person who learns of Christianity offers a slightly different viewpoint of Christianity. If you believe that every person throughout time shall march in lockstep with an identical viewpoint of Christinanity, and that any different viewpoint is not Christianity, then you are separating yourself from the real world.

[gotigrz]

fishoutawater,

i know there are diff. "branches" of Christianity ie: baptist, methodist, catholic, etc....

but, they are all Christians.... we all believe that Jesus Christ is God.... there is no veriation in that.

believe me or not... but i'm gone from here for good. (please don't cry, lol)