i am no longer a fan of this band Options

[Alex]

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']
And accords.[/quote]

Do you mean chords?

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']That unintentially clashing can happen out of emotion (for example out of sadness or anger or enthousiasm), okay it's maybe not meant on that moment to be like that and that emotion is of course not written, but it can be so pure and real that that is the good thing about it to some listeners.
I can decide by myself, that I don't agree with you after all these posts, proves that.[/quote]

Why can't you understand that I enjoy that too? But I certainly don't hear anything of that sort on Live's crappy overproduced overcompressed quantized last two albums.

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']I guess that you prefer the tention in the undertones of the instruments (for example the low tones of a (bass)guitar, the lowest tones in a piano, a heavy beating drumrythm, the sound of a cello), because that is what can be felt in your body, I know that, but that's not what I prefer.[/quote]

I never said anything of the sort. I enjoy instrumentation that is beffiting to the song. It might comprise of a string quartet and vocals, it might be orchestral. As long as it's written well and it fits the song then its fine. Also, undertones are not 'low notes'. They're (debatably) naturally occuring harmonics occuring below the fundamental note.


[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']I prever to hear the subject and the emotion of the lyrics back in the melody and the feeling that the singer puts in the melody and a sound of music that fits with all that.
That counts for me for poprock and rock as well the fullband as acoustic versions (although I prever often the acoustic versions above the fullband versions, but I also like to listen to soft instrumental classical music and celtic music and then is the melody most important to me and I like a capella, soulballads and a few gospels.
And I like fusions between different styles (like Queen often did)..[/quote]

Er... great.

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']And a very important thing to me is that a melody of a song wether it's sung or played with an instrument can make me sing along or whistle along, but the way it's performed helps with that too.
You can come up with that you can sing along with every melody, thats right, but a melody itself and the way it's played and sung can make me sing or whitle along spontaniously and make me feel happy, when it's a happy song, sad, when it's a sad song, angry, when it's an angry song.
[/quote]

Why is singing along important to you?


[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']The way a melody is composed, can tell me a lot of the emotion in a song, but if the way it's performed and if it doesn't fit with the lyrics (if there are) or the accompaniment don't fit with it, then the whole song is screwed up according to me.[/quote]

Yes, that is true. That's part of the point that I've been arguing for...

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']And a song can also be bad according to me if it's too angry, too sad without hope or too scary to me.
But that's the way I feel about it..[/quote]

It's not bad because you can't relate to it. There's music that I don't like but can appreciate the objective qualities the song has to offer.

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']I told you before that I have a lot experience with melody.
That is because I have the experience of singing in a choir and I played recorder before, but quit doing that because of being too busy with other things.
The conduct of the choir makes very much effort to let me and the other members "feel" the melody and the miscal accompaniment and to teach us to reply on that with, singing it in a dynamic way (softer, louder, the high tones high enough, the lower tones low enough) and to tell us why a melody goes higher or lower on certain moments in a song and why to sing some words and lines louder or softer. I have to admit that I not always agree with her interpretation and when to sing softer or louder, but I know that dynamics work in singing and playing melodies. [/quote]

That's really not 'a lot experience' at all. And yes, as you said, it's down to interpretation when performing other peoples works.


[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']And Ed sings in a beautiful dynamic way, in my opinion and does that in my opinion better from TDTH an up than before TDTH, he does more with high and low and a little softer and a little louder and the musical accompaniment fits with that in my opinion, but the musical accompaniment already fit in the older songs, because the older songs where louder and more angry, so sounded Ed, in the older albums the difference between soft and loud is more in almost whispering and (almost) screaming, but I like that not as much as the dynamics in higher and lower singing and a little softer and a little louder singing in the newer albums.
And the musical accompaniment fits with that in my opinion.[/quote]

It's quite difficult to understand what you're talking about. The melody is the melody. Vocals traditionally carry the melody line.... so you're saying you like the melodies better since TDTH?

You can like what you want, but since then they haven't really been very original, and to me, it's pretty awful taste to enjoy the SFBM melody/vocal lines. And by the way, the difference between soft and loud on SFBM is minimal at best, partly due to the crappy mastering job done on the cd. I personally think Live have lost a lot of their dynamic sense on the last two albums. Subtle is sometimes good, but they never take it any further.



[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']And what also counts for me that the notes don't have to be sounding perfect, as long as I can feel in my soul where the song is about and if my feeling tells me that it is good emotionally, to me.[/quote]

I agree that songs do not have to be perfect. So why are you arguing for SFBM and BOP, where everything is quantized, perfectly in tune etc.??? They're perfectly sterile..


[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']Pop/rock:
Queen, Bon Jovi, Coldplay, U2, (okay, Bono is not such a good singer technically, but he has a emotional way of singing that I like), Skunk Anansi (and Skin's solo work), Era (very soft celtic music) and a few other bands from The Netherlands and Belgium that make softrock and popballads.
And I like Cyndi Lauper, Phill Collins and Lenny Kravitz (Lenny Kravitz doesn't sing technicaly good, but has emotion in his voice and I can even appreciate his way of screaming, same counts for Jon Bon Jovi).

Classical: Vivaldi and Bach and sometimes Verdi.

And also a few soul songs like "End of the road" by Boyz II men, and "Think" by Aretha Franklin and "If I ever fall in love"by Shai.
And a few reggae songs by Bob Marley ("Redemption Song", for example).
And gospel/spirituals like: "Shine, Jesus shine" and "The last Supper".
Songs From Black Mountain is TO YOU not well written, because I guess you always like a wall of sound (I guess you can appreciate Queen too?).
And I can appreciate wall of sounds too but I like acoustic too, a very thin and light kind of music with the emotion in the voice of the singer because of the words in the lyrics and the warm sound of an acoustic guitar or a piano maybe even a recorder or flute..[/quote]

Why do you keep assuming things like this? Of course I don't 'always' like a wall of sound. I enjoy a very varied range of music, but most of them have a lot of dynamics, because that's something I enjoy and I feel a lot of modern music (especially in the mainstream) is lacking.

Since when have Queen always had a wall of sound anyway?

(btw, you're right in your assumption that I like Queen- their early work is brilliant)


[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']I love the semi-acoustic (not totally acoustic, I know, there is for example an electric guitar involved sometimes) sound of Songs From Black Mountain, the lyrics are most of all full of love, happiness, hope and sometimes a little sadness, and a light way of singing and a thin and light sound of music belong in my opinion to that feelings, and that's why it is well written in my opinion.
I think that walls of sound with for example low sounding guitars and basses, belong more to al lot of anger and personally I mostly don't like to feel so much anger.
But when I'm really angry, then I turn up Metallica, but being that angry happens about once in half a year.
And further I like the kinds of music I discribed earlier in this post..[/quote]

There's the wall of sound thing again.... you can have a 'wall of sound' with a choir and orchestra you know, why do you say 'for example- low sounding guitars and basses'. To be honest, you really don't seem to know much about what you're arguing about.

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']But I'll never really mean to say loud that there is something bad about a song or a piece of music generally or that a song is bad generally, a song or a piece of music is good or bad in my opinion.

Because maybe someone else has a reason to love it from the bottom of his or her heart, and then I'll hurt that person maybe really badly.[/quote]

If someone is hurt because someone else has a different opinion, then that person is IMO extremely fragile and should probably worry about their own self-confidence rather than someone disliking something they like.

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 25 2006, 5:43 am' post='23262']It might be difficult for you to understand what I mean, but keep in mind that it is harder for me to express myself in English, because I'm Dutch and English isn't my natural language and there are things in music that can hardly or even not be captured in words.
[/quote]

That's fair enough, and is something that I forget sometimes- forgive me. How long have you been learning/speaking English for?

[Alex]

The quote thing is really annoying....

[GvB]

[quote name='Alex' date='Dec 13 2006, 2:37 pm' post='24363']
Do you mean chords? [/quote]

Yes.
[quote name='Alex' date='Dec 13 2006, 2:37 pm' post='24363']
Why can't you understand that I enjoy that too? But I certainly don't hear anything of that sort on Live's crappy overproduced overcompressed quantized last two albums.[/quote]

I think you care more about the way it's produced than I do.
I start really to dislike music when it sounds too much like dance or r 'n b.
Or when it contains too much computer "bleep bleeb" sounds. Or when the singing doesn't sound to me like as if it's from the heart or is really very false.
And what sounds overproduced to you, sounds like a warm sound to me (can't explain).

[quote name='Alex' date='Dec 13 2006, 2:37 pm' post='24363']
Why is singing along important to you? [/quote]

It is important to me because sometimes songs express things which I can relate to, because I recognize the feelings and thoughts expressed in it (it's the combination of the lyrics and the way it's sungen and the sound of the instruments involved).
And singing along to a song that is about a sad thing but also contains hope (like "Overcome" and "Wings"), can help me through a bad moment in my life and to release my worries and a happy song can make me feel better and a happy song in a good moment can make me feel even happier.

[quote name='Alex' date='Dec 13 2006, 2:37 pm' post='24363']
so you're saying you like the melodies better since TDTH? [/quote]

[quote name='Alex' date='Dec 13 2006, 2:37 pm' post='24363']
And by the way, the difference between soft and loud on SFBM is minimal at best. [/quote]

But Ed does pretty much with high singing and low singing and I appreciate that more than making differences in softer and louder (it's more difficult to sing high when you do that soft).

[quote name='Alex' date='Dec 13 2006, 2:37 pm' post='24363']
Since when have Queen always had a wall of sound anyway? [/quote]

Okay, like some songs of Queen, I know Queen isn't always bombastic.

[quote name='Alex' date='Dec 13 2006, 2:37 pm' post='24363']
(btw, you're right in your assumption that I like Queen- their early work is brilliant) [/quote]

Well, I like as well the earlier as their later work except for the fifties covers they did for example in their show at Wembley Stadium, that was boring to me.

[quote name='Alex' date='Dec 13 2006, 2:37 pm' post='24363']
If someone is hurt because someone else has a different opinion, then that person is IMO extremely fragile and should probably worry about their own self-confidence rather than someone disliking something they like.[/quote]

Well, to me that different - opinion thing is no problem, but that there are people here who present their opinion like a fact and who show up like "I know it all", but totally seem to forget the way other people can feel about a song or an album.
In other words: tastes differ, okay, but it's not okay to stand on other ones heart.

[quote name='Alex' date='Dec 13 2006, 2:37 pm' post='24363']
That's fair enough, and is something that I forget sometimes- forgive me. How long have you been learning/speaking English for?
[/quote]

Well: I started to learn English at the last two years of primary school, then four years at high school where I did a level in the middle between the low level and high level.
And after that it took a while to find the right study for me and then I went to a school to learn for an administrative job and had three years of English lessons so I had nine years of English education and average it was about five hours a week including homework (three hours at school and two hours at home).
But I have to admit that it's almost 6 years ago that I had my last English lesson.

GvB.

[lovelynurse26]

Ok...so completely new at this. I was completely infuriated at reading this board. Let's all just be glad someone is out there putting songs with Christian undertones out to a secular world. Get over picking songs apart and concentrate on the wholistic message they are sending....Did I do this right?! And P.S. Swearing is not a fucking sin...

[mrmcpheezy]

Ok...so completely new at this. I was completely infuriated at reading this board. Let's all just be glad someone is out there putting songs with Christian undertones out to a secular world. Get over picking songs apart and concentrate on the wholistic message they are sending....Did I do this right?! And P.S. Swearing is not a fucking sin...

I'm taking her home with me, all dressed in white.
She's got everything I need: pharmacy keys.
She's falling hard for me. I can see it in her eyes.
She acts just like a nurse with all the other guys.

[lovelynurse26]

I'm taking her home with me, all dressed in white.
She's got everything I need: pharmacy keys.
She's falling hard for me. I can see it in her eyes.
She acts just like a nurse with all the other guys.

OK...wtf is that?? is it lyrics? a poem?? Is it even meant for me?? Am I an idiot? Someone tell me what's going on!! PLEASE....

[lovelynurse26]

nevermind....got it....lyrics...Failure! Waking up!