WWIII, a history lesson Options

[GvB]

And I sure as hell do not trivialize dropping A-bombs on Japan, but it was probably the best way to bring the war to a close with the least amount of casualties.

An A-bomb to end a war with the LEAST casualties, yeah right.
But okay, it ended, but don't see how.

But okay, the Japanese government sucked too.

GvB.

[Wambangalang]

when i got more time ill post extensively on how the US has fucked over other people. Do u know what they did in Chille?

but now its time for drinking.

Alcohol, not war

[GvB]

when i got more time ill post extensively on how the US has fucked over other people. Do u know what they did in Chille?

Yes, but the government of Chille does/did wrong things too.

But at the other hand: the country I come from, The Netherlands, has and had made mistakes too.
Maybe it all comes down to this: look at your own mistakes and the mistakes your country makes or made and try to find out how it is, and stop telling others and other countries what they do wrong.

And don't say you can't find anything, because, that's lying.

GvB.

[sandkind]

Yes the United States has made our share of mistakes, I freely admit that and do not claim we are flawless. Fortunately, I believe we have learned from our mistakes, domestically and internationally. I also know the U.S. donates more in humanitarian aid than the rest of the countries on the face of the Earth combined.

I am and will always be proud to be an American!

[sandkind]

An A-bomb to end a war with the LEAST casualties, yeah right.
But okay, it ended, but don't see how.

But okay, the Japanese government sucked too.

GvB.

Do not take my word, do a little research and you will find the Japanese are/were fierce warriors. They absolutely would not surrender under conventional means, and they did not believe in taking prisoners in general. A full Allied invasion would have been extremely bloody and taken a very long time. It would have also given them the time needed to complete the aeronautical projects they were working on, and their improved air power would have swung momentum back their way. Look at the extremes they started taking near the end of the war with the kamikazes. The bombings were a desparate measure to end it. I agree that it was an extremely sad way to end the war and actually empathize with the survivors and feel for those who lost their lives.

I wish that the world was a peaceful place and that everyone had the liberties so often taken for granted by the free world. I cannot imagine living in a country where I could be prosecuted for speaking my opinions. I do not believe anyone should have to live under the rule of tyranny. I simply am a realist and do not believe the world is even close to that state.

[Kymra]

I am and will always be proud to be an American!

I will be again once Bush is out of office.

Just for the record. I did NOT vote for him.

[Wambangalang]

and stop telling others and other countries what they do wrong.

im not telling a country anything im trying to exchange ideas about some political history dickhead.

[rocknerd]

Yes, but the government of Chille does/did wrong things too.


GvB.

The Chillian Government became socialist through Democratic process. the people of Chilli Choose to become socialist society and the USA relised that they would loose control of the precious resources in chilli so they bombed the Government into next year (1969) and installed a USA controlled puppet so they could continue to exploit the Chillians. this happened on 9/11/68.

This is exactly what is happening in Venezuela and Bolivia. The US Government do not like socialist rule because then they have to actually pay for what they have been stealling in natural resources. so they try to over throw governments run by men like chevez so that they only have to pay 1% of the total cost of gas and oil.

this has been happening in South America since the signing of the so-called free trade agreement that seems to flow only one way.

and you wonder why people hate the USA.

and yes america give more in aid to the tird world then any other but they are the ones that take funding away when these countries tell their citizens about contraception and abortions.

[GvB]

The Chillian Government became socialist through Democratic process. the people of Chilli Choose to become socialist society and the USA relised that they would loose control of the precious resources in chilli so they bombed the Government into next year (1969) and installed a USA controlled puppet so they could continue to exploit the Chillians. this happened on 9/11/68.

This is exactly what is happening in Venezuela and Bolivia. The US Government do not like socialist rule because then they have to actually pay for what they have been stealling in natural resources. so they try to over throw governments run by men like chevez so that they only have to pay 1% of the total cost of gas and oil.

this has been happening in South America since the signing of the so-called free trade agreement that seems to flow only one way.

and you wonder why people hate the USA.

and yes america give more in aid to the tird world then any other but they are the ones that take funding away when these countries tell their citizens about contraception and abortions.

Good post!

But there is more wrong in the way America AND Europe tread Africa and Southern America.
For example: the big European and American countries let African and Southern American farmers work to let grow coffeebeans (for example), but the money they earn for this is so less that they can hardly live from it.
And Europe and America make it impossible (or very difficult) for these farmers and other workers to start a company for themselves and to sell their own products.

There are Fair Trade products, but that is on a very low scale and not very much people want to buy them.

Just donating money is not the way, give people equal changes!


GvB.

[Senghe]

There are Fair Trade products, but that is on a very low scale and not very much people want to buy them.

You know what, that's just like organic food and humanely produced meat. Everybody pays lip service to it when their conscience pokes them in the ass, but only a few are willing to pay the extra money it costs and everybody else just does that flouncy "oh, but what difference would it really make if little old me did it - so few other people are willing to do it". When it comes down to paying 25% more for your basket of weekly groceries or treating yourself to a few beers or a bottle of wine, your glabal social awareness suddenly deserts you.

As for foreign policy. It all started going downhill when our Cromagnon ancestors left Africa and outcompeted the Neanderthals, causing them to become extinct. So really, you can blame us modern Europeans if you like seeing as in the last 500 years or so, we managed to send all our refugees to America, all our convicts to Australia and somehow found time to rape India, Africa and several other places of it's resources and subjugate/enslave/slaughter it's indiginous peoples while we were on a roll.

Yeah, life is shit, immensly arbitrary, totally unfair and on the global scale the law of the jungle still applies. All you can do is hope you're born on the winning side. We're going to hell in a hamster ball and I'm just glad I don't have kids. Pass me a fair trade organic beer, will you.

This post has been edited by Senghe: Sep 18 2006, 5:53 pm

[rocknerd]

Good post!

But there is more wrong in the way America AND Europe tread Africa and Southern America.
For example: the big European and American countries let African and Southern American farmers work to let grow coffeebeans (for example), but the money they earn for this is so less that they can hardly live from it.
And Europe and America make it impossible (or very difficult) for these farmers and other workers to start a company for themselves and to sell their own products.

There are Fair Trade products, but that is on a very low scale and not very much people want to buy them.

Just donating money is not the way, give people equal changes!
GvB.

With coffee beans what the USA have done at least in Ethiopia is copy right the beans that are grown their so that the people of Ethiopia have to pay more to The USA then they can make selling them.

More people should buy fair trade products, and eat vegeterian. especially anyone who is over weight. by cutting out meat from your diet you will drop more weight then from reduced portion sizes.

But if your fat arse is to lazy than ignore this advise.

[sandkind]

You know what, that's just like organic food and humanely produced meat. Everybody pays lip service to it when their conscience pokes them in the ass, but only a few are willing to pay the extra money it costs and everybody else just does that flouncy "oh, but what difference would it really make if little old me did it - so few other people are willing to do it". When it comes down to paying 25% more for your basket of weekly groceries or treating yourself to a few beers or a bottle of wine, your glabal social awareness suddenly deserts you.

As for foreign policy. It all started going downhill when our Cromagnon ancestors left Africa and outcompeted the Neanderthals, causing them to become extinct. So really, you can blame us modern Europeans if you like seeing as in the last 500 years or so, we managed to send all our refugees to America, all our convicts to Australia and somehow found time to rape India, Africa and several other places of it's resources and subjugate/enslave/slaughter it's indiginous peoples while we were on a roll.

Yeah, life is shit, immensly arbitrary, totally unfair and on the global scale the law of the jungle still applies. All you can do is hope you're born on the winning side. We're going to hell in a hamster ball and I'm just glad I don't have kids. Pass me a fair trade organic beer, will you.

a realist so few and far between-good post

[GvB]

Don't be surprised, but I already buy fair trade food (for as far findable: like coffee, tea, sugar, chocolate, cookies, fruit juice) and humanely produced meat.
But I have to admit that it's easy for me to do that, because I live alone so I don't have to buy things for a whole family and the fair trade shop is not even a mile away from my house.
And a mile further I can find humanely produced meat.
And I can spend money to that, because I hardly go out and buy only sometimes new clothes, because the fashion of now is too short for me or made for people who are much taller and more skinny than I am.

GvB.