Should Live Call It Quits?, Is it time? Options

[Pokey]

This is the first thread I have taken the time to read all the way through for months now and actually reply.

It s funny now how everyone seems to be coming to Live's defence when not quite a year ago, your saw ppl like Mr Mcpheezy throwing off at them (Live) in the exact same fasion. Now im not saying what he said wasnt justified (thats not the point) the point is, no one or very few, had the guts to tell him to f*#K OFF!

So what is it, that is making people dismiss a constructive argument, just because this is a "Live fan" website? Back those many months ago people were coming to Mcpheezy's support judging the slow regression of Live's music. Now the majority are saying 'you know what f**k you, Live rock no matter what' Which is dam F'n right! Just frustrates me to see people these days cant stand for what the f**kn believe in.

I still feel exactly the same way, I don't need mcpheezy to dictate my beliefs. Mostly what it came down to was that he could usually say what I wanted to say but better than I could but either way.

I think Live's last 3 albums have really been terrible trash besides a couple of songs on BOP that I like, and I do have an emotional attatchment to V. But in my honest opinion now Live hasn't released anything worthwhile since 1999. However before that from 1991-1999 they made some of my all time favorite music so it's hard to just dismiss a band when you've had a love affair with them for so long.

I don't think Live should call it quits, I think they still put on a fantastic energetic live show, even though I wish the setlist had major regular shake ups, I'm looking forward to seeing them.
I refuse to believe a band that has made so many good songs over the years can suddenly be incapable of doing so again. The talent still has to be in there somewhere.. it's just they are not utalising it.
It's clear to see that around the time their material took a nose dive is the same time they stopped writing as a band and Ed took over main song writing duties and also they picked up Jim Wirt. There is a connection there.

I find Live extremely frustrating cos each time they release something now I find myself hoping to hell that they can find what they have before but they just can't do it.

I don't see why they should call it quits though .. they're still doing what they love I guess. Just because they're not selling out huge arenas anymore shouldn't matter, they're still more successful than the majority of bands out there that plays pubs in cities all over the world that aren't even signed to any lables .. no one is telling them to quit, so by those standards, Live is still pretty successful.

[Wambangalang]

Live can make good music again - its in them, i feel it, they just need to try and come together and do it baby.

[Senghe]

^ Yeah - most of what Pokey said. Especially the love affair and frustrating bits.

With Live I just find it so hard to let go and move on because they made 3 albums that I adore and still listen to regularly years on. I don't want to give up hope that they have it in them to produce a full album of songs that will blow me away rather than managing just one or two like SFBM and the rest not doing anything for me. I feel like giving Ed a swift kick in the Ego and shoving the other three in a bag and shaking them vigorously for being lazy enough to let him get away with it. Several bands that I used to love have lost it for me because of their last albums and I never gave not considering myself a fan any more second thought. I just moved on and other bands took their place, but Live are somehow different.

[Alex]

For fuck sake, why are some people getting so worked up about what that guy said, and talking about standing up for yourself and all that bullshit? Seriously, its the INTERNET, and you're talking about a band. It doesn't take too many guts to stand up for what you believe in on here, and if it does... that's kinda pathetic. So well done to you people that have put up a good fight, I'm sure it was very difficult for you to do.

I don't want to see Live break up. But I don't want to see them releasing another utterly crap album. It's not just my opinion- sfbm is NOT well-written. You can still be free to like it, and identify with the lyrics and the simplicity of the music, but a lot of older fans simply can't; the dynamics, passion, lyrics, and power that they used to love Live for are simply not there. So if Live don't have any creativity left in them, and they don't want to make music anymore, I'd rather they did give up... for their sakes. (Who wants to be doing something they don't want to do if they don't have to?)

Something else that gets me, is the way that some people on here talk about 'ROCK' music. The people that say what 'rock' should be about; what topics the lyrics should deal with, what 'speed' the music is (fast and slow are horrible adjectives for describing music, please don't do it), how heavy it should be etc. Music is endless. There are so many possibilities in it... a lot of people here need to explore other genres of music.. (I'm trying to do more of this myself)

ROCK will forever be about love, ANTI-war and protest

Wha????? Are you serious? Most of the music I listen to, though dealing with those themes, is not solely about love, antiwar, or protest. (And its not a prerequisite of a rock musician to be anti-war either..) If those are the only lyrical themes you think rock encompasses, you obviously haven't heard a huge range of it.

however it does stand to fact that if songs arnt about love or war then all we have left is some kind of pop idol music which represent premiscuity, indifferance and complacancy.

Again, what? How is that all that you're left with when you take away love and war? Seriously, if you think that, get off the internet for a bit, and listen to some more music! By the way, if you're going to type such 'intelligent' words, it helps if you spell them correctly....

So yeah. Carry on.

[mfitz804]

Seriously, its the INTERNET, and you're talking about a band.

I think this pretty much sums it up. I'd rather they not break up, but if they did, I'd find a way to go on. the fact that they have lasted as long as they have, with their original lineup, is a pretty rare thing.

I look forward to the next Live CD, I know it will be way closer to SFBM than TC, and I accept that. The point has been so totally exhausted on this board. Whether you like the way Live sounds now or not is irrelevant.

I can guarantee that they are not about to change the music they are making based on response in a message board where a whopping 524 members piss and moan about how much more they liked the band 10 years ago.

Nor do I think that Live is going to call a band meeting to discuss how they need to "rock out" more on their next album. That is a ridiculous suggestion based on what certain "fans" in here want to see.

I'd also like to see some lyrics written by the people who think there is too much love and water in Live's music (which, incidentally, have in fact been themes running through Live's music from the very beginning, if anyone bothered to pay attention they'd know that). If those folks could write a better song, they'd probably be famous, too.

Everyone overlooks the obvious possibility that Live enjoys making the music they are making and could give a crap about album sales. They can promote what they have got however possible to get the most exposure (like going on American Idol), but in the end the material is the material.

[sandkind]

For fuck sake, why are some people getting so worked up about what that guy said, and talking about standing up for yourself and all that bullshit? Seriously, its the INTERNET, and you're talking about a band. It doesn't take too many guts to stand up for what you believe in on here, and if it does... that's kinda pathetic. So well done to you people that have put up a good fight, I'm sure it was very difficult for you to do.

BTW-I don't want 'em to break up, I just want Bill O'Reilly to shag Ed's wife. If that don't get back some of his rage, nothing will.

[sherocker]

Why is this topic even in here? If you're not a fan, be gone!

short, but o so sweet

[ladylakini17]

BTW-I don't want 'em to break up, I just want Bill O'Reilly to shag Ed's wife. If that don't get back some of his rage, nothing will.

hahaha

[Lively Chick]

Public Enemy did more for African Americans than Martin Luther King Jr.

WTF?
That is just pure ignorance! Sweetie, don't speak of things you know nothing about. That's one of the dumbest thing I ever heard! Oh, and I'm African American so I think I should know something, if just a tad more about the subject.

[Lively Chick]

BTW-I don't want 'em to break up, I just want Bill O'Reilly to shag Ed's wife. If that don't get back some of his rage, nothing will.

Thats so true!!! He cant stand O'Reilly, but then again neither can I

[Hoodstock]

This is my topic and people aren't realizing what I am saying. Live's new stuff is totally stale. It is formulatic and uninteresting. If you don't believe me, just look at their record sales and the sizes of their concert crowds. I didn't say Live should break up, I indicated that they should either put out cutting edge music (instead of retreading the same themes over and over and over again ... just read any album critic) or they should stop making new crap. A best of tour every year at my state fair would be fine. Songs like Waitress, Shitowne, and White Discussion were songs that made Live unique. These are just citations coming from one album, the one almost everyone fell in love with. Anyone can write about love, water, and the sun over and over again.

For those that say, hey, the Dam at Otter Creek and Waterboy had water in it I say to you I know, that's my point. It's been on every single CD since. I don't understand what your defense is to that. I'm just guessing that there next CD, unless they change, will have the same tired topics on it as this one. You can call the songs Water (The Twentieth Live Montra To H2O), I love My Wife (As If You Hadn't Heard), I Love My Daughters (What Rock Star Doesn't), This War Is B.S., and Sun, Sun, Sun.

Don't mistake my comments as hating on Live. I just want them to make something good. And for those that say I shouldn't be posting and f*** off, I do recall a recent post that said this message board is as stale as the band. Glad I could help.

If you support Live singing the same songs about the same things over and over and over I apologize. If you would like to hear your favorite band actually play on the radio, and have people other than you and this chatroom talk about them, then you should be with me.

Peace

[Heather]

You can call the songs Water (The Twentieth Live Montra To H2O), I love My Wife (As If You Hadn't Heard), I Love My Daughters (What Rock Star Doesn't), This War Is B.S., and Sun, Sun, Sun.

[SJN1279]

If you would like to hear your favorite band actually play on the radio, and have people other than you and this chatroom talk about them, then you should be with me.

Peace

You're right, the radio plays such original, deep songs

If Live had a semi-decent label, songs from this album would have been on the radio. Ed tried to make a radio-friendly album and succeeded. However, Epic stopped supporting SFBM before the release date. I like all of Live's music, if you don't that's totally cool. But just because you don't find the new music interesting, doesn't mean a band should quit its livelyhood. That's just idiotic babble.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Sep 10 2006, 8:27 pm

[rocknerd]

For fuck sake, why are some people getting so worked up about what that guy said, and talking about standing up for yourself and all that bullshit? Seriously, its the INTERNET, and you're talking about a band. It doesn't take too many guts to stand up for what you believe in on here, and if it does... that's kinda pathetic. So well done to you people that have put up a good fight, I'm sure it was very difficult for you to do.

I don't want to see Live break up. But I don't want to see them releasing another utterly crap album. It's not just my opinion- sfbm is NOT well-written. You can still be free to like it, and identify with the lyrics and the simplicity of the music, but a lot of older fans simply can't; the dynamics, passion, lyrics, and power that they used to love Live for are simply not there. So if Live don't have any creativity left in them, and they don't want to make music anymore, I'd rather they did give up... for their sakes. (Who wants to be doing something they don't want to do if they don't have to?)

Something else that gets me, is the way that some people on here talk about 'ROCK' music. The people that say what 'rock' should be about; what topics the lyrics should deal with, what 'speed' the music is (fast and slow are horrible adjectives for describing music, please don't do it), how heavy it should be etc. Music is endless. There are so many possibilities in it... a lot of people here need to explore other genres of music.. (I'm trying to do more of this myself)

Wha????? Are you serious? Most of the music I listen to, though dealing with those themes, is not solely about love, antiwar, or protest. (And its not a prerequisite of a rock musician to be anti-war either..) If those are the only lyrical themes you think rock encompasses, you obviously haven't heard a huge range of it.

Again, what? How is that all that you're left with when you take away love and war? Seriously, if you think that, get off the internet for a bit, and listen to some more music! By the way, if you're going to type such 'intelligent' words, it helps if you spell them correctly....

So yeah. Carry on.

Isnt there a Larger Range of music on the internet????


This is my opinion, why should i listen to more music? i feel that the 250 artists that make up my CD collection cover these themes quiet well and yes their are other things in songs other then Love, Anti-war and Protest, but i enjoy protest music. it was People like bb king, Bob Dylan and Oscar Wilde that created the DOORS, who thus gave us IGGY POP and through IGGY about 6 million punks including Henry Rollins, NEW YORK DOLLS, the RAMONES ETC, ETC...

On the topic of spelling get a life your able to figure it out enough to be able to slag me.

[Kymra]

This is my topic and people aren't realizing what I am saying. Live's new stuff is totally stale. It is formulatic and uninteresting. If you don't believe me, just look at their record sales and the sizes of their concert crowds. I didn't say Live should break up, I indicated that they should either put out cutting edge music (instead of retreading the same themes over and over and over again ... just read any album critic) or they should stop making new crap. A best of tour every year at my state fair would be fine. Songs like Waitress, Shitowne, and White Discussion were songs that made Live unique. These are just citations coming from one album, the one almost everyone fell in love with. Anyone can write about love, water, and the sun over and over again.

For those that say, hey, the Dam at Otter Creek and Waterboy had water in it I say to you I know, that's my point. It's been on every single CD since. I don't understand what your defense is to that. I'm just guessing that there next CD, unless they change, will have the same tired topics on it as this one. You can call the songs Water (The Twentieth Live Montra To H2O), I love My Wife (As If You Hadn't Heard), I Love My Daughters (What Rock Star Doesn't), This War Is B.S., and Sun, Sun, Sun.

Don't mistake my comments as hating on Live. I just want them to make something good. And for those that say I shouldn't be posting and f*** off, I do recall a recent post that said this message board is as stale as the band. Glad I could help.

If you support Live singing the same songs about the same things over and over and over I apologize. If you would like to hear your favorite band actually play on the radio, and have people other than you and this chatroom talk about them, then you should be with me.

Peace

Best post I've seen on a message board in years. Especially - You can call the songs Water (The Twentieth Live Montra To H2O), I love My Wife (As If You Hadn't Heard), I Love My Daughters (What Rock Star Doesn't), This War Is B.S., and Sun, Sun, Sun.