Chris Shinn on Fronting Live: ‘I’m Just Embarrassed...." Options

[The Shill]

I'd love to hear what my man The Thrill has to say about this Chris Shinn story.
He used to like Chris, thought he was amazing, then did a full 180 and ragged on him, before finally apologizing about the things he said. But that was years ago.

Come on, we need to hear from The Thrill

This post has been edited by The Shill: Nov 9 2022, 9:21 pm

[Cardiff_Giant]

I personally can't stand it. Many others here agree. If you're singing for the band, that's basically the highest authority for the art. Who wants to pay money to see someone fuck up, or who wants to the the music they love just get defiled like that. Sure, modern technology allows us to consume the art by watching concert footage, and it sucks to see the art get dragged through the mud multiple times. It's awkward as a fan in attendance. It's disappointing when fans are trying to see if the new guy is good enough to replace Ed.

Apparently, Ed sometimes needs a little help, too.

[mattyeagles]

Apparently, Ed sometimes needs a little help, too.

Honestly, who cares. You picked a cover song too

You’re also proving other peoples point. Chris came across as leading a Live cover band. Ed was covering Johnny Cash’s song, so he needed a lyric sheet.


This post has been edited by mattyeagles: Nov 21 2022, 2:24 pm

[Cardiff_Giant]

Honestly, who cares.

Well, this poster does ...

I personally can't stand it. ... It's awkward as a fan in attendance.

You’re also proving other peoples point. Chris came across as leading a Live cover band. Ed was covering Johnny Cash’s song, so he needed a lyric sheet.

Since they said ...

It's disappointing when fans are trying to see if the new guy is good enough to replace Ed.

They were saying that Shinn shouldn't have done something that showed he's not as good as Ed, when it turns out Ed did it, too.

I mean, if it's OK for Ed to use the lyrics on the floor because it's a cover song, doesn't Shinn get the same right, since almost all the songs he sang with Live were technically cover songs?

But you're right. This doesn't matter.

[Bremang]

Well, this poster does ...


Since they said ...

They were saying that Shinn shouldn't have done something that showed he's not as good as Ed, when it turns out Ed did it, too.

I mean, if it's OK for Ed to use the lyrics on the floor because it's a cover song, doesn't Shinn get the same right, since almost all the songs he sang with Live were technically cover songs?

But you're right. This doesn't matter.

This isn't rocket science. All that matters is whether the song is performed well. Especially if you're claiming to be the lead singer of music that belongs to your own band. Chris made way more mistakes than Ed. Ed never claimed to be a singer in the Beatles. If he did, he probably better learn the lyrics.

[mattyeagles]

This isn't rocket science. All that matters is whether the song is performed well. Especially if you're claiming to be the lead singer of music that belongs to your own band. Chris made way more mistakes than Ed. Ed never claimed to be a singer in the Beatles. If he did, he probably better learn the lyrics.

Exactly. Thank you. Very simple.

[Cardiff_Giant]

This isn't rocket science. All that matters is whether the song is performed well. Especially if you're claiming to be the lead singer of music that belongs to your own band. Chris made way more mistakes than Ed. Ed never claimed to be a singer in the Beatles. If he did, he probably better learn the lyrics.

I agree that the performance is what matters. But you started this by trashing Shinn for using lyrics taped to the floor but when it was shown to you that Ed does it too, your response is that it was OK because Ed was singing a cover. But isn’t pretty much everything Shinn performed with Live a cover? So he doesn’t get the same grace? Sure, Chris may have made more mistakes than Ed, but who wouldn’t when they’re signing someone else’s songs?

It’s all dumb. I’m just saying your insistence earlier that Shinn was doing a bad job was just your opinion disguised as a fact.

[mattyeagles]

I agree that the performance is what matters. But you started this by trashing Shinn for using lyrics taped to the floor but when it was shown to you that Ed does it too, your response is that it was OK because Ed was singing a cover. But isn’t pretty much everything Shinn performed with Live a cover? So he doesn’t get the same grace? Sure, Chris may have made more mistakes than Ed, but who wouldn’t when they’re signing someone else’s songs?

It’s all dumb. I’m just saying your insistence earlier that Shinn was doing a bad job was just your opinion disguised as a fact.

My point is that Chris always came across as covering Live songs and others would argue that he had the spirit and energy so it didn’t matter. It mattered to me and I didn’t enjoy seeing someone cover Ed. So you used a cover song as an example, so proved my point.

[jclive]

Who is this Chris Shinn person?

[Cardiff_Giant]

so proved my point.

I have no idea how you arrived at this conclusion.

[Bremang]

I agree that the performance is what matters. But you started this by trashing Shinn for using lyrics taped to the floor

False. Go ahead and quote where I said this.

but when it was shown to you that Ed does it too, your response is that it was OK because Ed was singing a cover. But isn't pretty much everything Shinn performed with Live a cover?

Is it a cover when Live plays Live songs? What's so difficult about the idea that if Chris kept messing up, he wasn't doing well?

Sure, Chris may have made more mistakes than Ed, but who wouldn't when they're signing someone else's songs? It's all dumb. I'm just saying your insistence earlier that Shinn was doing a bad job was just your opinion disguised as a fact.

Absolutely ridiculous. Again, prove it. Quote me anywhere on this board where I disguise my opinion as fact.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Nov 23 2022, 12:42 pm

[Cardiff_Giant]

But you started this by trashing Shinn for using lyrics taped to the floor.

False. Go ahead and quote where I said this.

Quote me anywhere on this board where I disguise my opinion as fact.

OK.

It's totally unacceptable that he forgets the lyrics as much as he does, many of us have been saying this for years. I don't care if he needs to read the lyrics, just don't fuck up i alone every other show.

[Bremang]

That's obviously my transparent opinion, and also where I clearly state that I don't care if he needs to read the lyrics. feel free to delete our whole side convo, dan.

[JonSnow]

Well, this poster does ...


Since they said ...

They were saying that Shinn shouldn't have done something that showed he's not as good as Ed, when it turns out Ed did it, too.

I mean, if it's OK for Ed to use the lyrics on the floor because it's a cover song, doesn't Shinn get the same right, since almost all the songs he sang with Live were technically cover songs?

But you're right. This doesn't matter.

Ed also wrote these songs years or decades ago and had performed them countless nights in front of thousands. He knows his own songs like the back of his hand and is an excellent performer. Shinn only ever wrote the songs on The Turn and had only been performing any of those songs, old or new, for maybe 2 or 3 years.

It's funny how Shinn was the bees knees and hung the moon back when everyone thought Ed was a piece of shit. Now he's a hack? I caught one of the shows during the Summerland tour with Everclear, Sponge, and Filter. Live were by far the best band out of any of them and Shinn was fantastic that night.

Go listen to Unified Theory, Everything Is Energy, or his solo albums, either the new one he just put out or the one he recorded in Nashville and put out back in 2012. It's great work and indicative of someone who has an earnest, authentic, and creative spirit just trying to push their own boundaries. Not some poser trying to write according to trends or some other bullshit metric. Why he gets the flak he gets now just because he isn't/wasn't Ed is beyond me, but whatever.

[Cardiff_Giant]

That's obviously my transparent opinion, and also where I clearly state that I don't care if he needs to read the lyrics. feel free to delete our whole side convo, dan.

So it’s “totally unacceptable” for a singer to forget or butcher the lyrics, but if said singer does forget or butcher the lyrics, it’s acceptable for him to read them from the floor? Gotcha.

I’ve been called a lot of things, but never Dan.