What's Going On? Is Live Over? Options

[The Thrill]

A generalized hiatus statement during the height of Covid when we were all wondering where they were would not have been hard, but I agree with you here for the most part.

All of this makes me sad. I love Līve. Always will.

I hear ya. Nobody is perfect. I bet all of them wish they handled everything different.
And to clarify. I had ZERO part of influence in any band matters at all.
I, along with their manager Chris Hardin did help reunite the band back in late 2015 into 2016. But that’s it.
I along with Bob Zazerra went to and Ed solo show in October of 2015 in Bethlehem, Pa. And started the process. He didn’t throw me out of this show.
The show he threw me out of was many years earlier at mount airy when I was with Chris Zalenka. Aka Z Man. And the only reason he threw me out was because I was asking him to talk to the guys. And he said “it’s too soon”. Then he asked me to leave. And I didn’t blame him.

[alexou]

just insane...like you stated, Gracey looked like he was a nice guy the couple of times I met him. Normal he was a bit angry in some posts recently...wish him the best.

[The Thrill]

Same here. I just kept thinking, no way. SMH, I feel so badly for Chad, And they have children. I wish him well and hopefully things have or will soon get back to normal for him and his kids.

Him and his children are doing very well.

[Voodoo Lady]

I hear ya. Nobody is perfect. I bet all of them wish they handled everything different.
And to clarify. I had ZERO part of influence in any band matters at all.
I, along with their manager Chris Hardin did help reunite the band back in late 2015 into 2016. But that’s it.
I along with Bob Zazerra went to and Ed solo show in October of 2015 in Bethlehem, Pa. And started the process. He didn’t throw me out of this show.
The show he threw me out of was many years earlier at mount airy when I was with Chris Zalenka. Aka Z Man. And the only reason he threw me out was because I was asking him to talk to the guys. And he said “it’s too soon”. Then he asked me to leave. And I didn’t blame him.

No worries. Sorry for all the assumptions, but I just missed my band.
I say “my band” all the time, because 30 years is a long time to love a group of musicians. That’s way over half my life.

[Orion0767]

[quote name='alexou' post='142955' date='Jun 6 2022, 7:44 pm']
just insane...like you stated, Gracey looked like he was a nice guy the couple of times I met him. Normal he was a bit angry in some posts recently...wish him the best.


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[Orion0767]

Him and his children are doing very well.

That is awesome ! Good to know

[Bremang]

I along with Bob Zazerra went to and Ed solo show in October of 2015 in Bethlehem, Pa. And started the process. He didn't throw me out of this show.

All Bob ever wanted was to be deeply involved with Live. Now he can say he sparked the reunion, and set off a chain of events that led to Taylor banging Gracey's wife.

[The Thrill]

All Bob ever wanted was to be deeply involved with Live. Now he can say he sparked the reunion, and set off a chain of events that led to Taylor banging Gracey's wife.

The “banging” started in 2012. But wasn’t found out until 2021.
Bob has been very good friends with a few members of the band.
Bob bought the ticket and hung back when I was speaking to Ed. He did record some of it lol.

[alexou]

All Bob ever wanted was to be deeply involved with Live. Now he can say he sparked the reunion, and set off a chain of events that led to Taylor banging Gracey's wife.

Wait what? too much too handle tonight... I understand Bob could have been there in Baltimore, but to say he sets up the cheating aspect...


what bugs is how Bob was really in CT's bandwagon at the split....what was his reasons for going to Ed shows and wanting a reunion in 2015?

[The Thrill]

Wait what? too much too handle tonight... I understand Bob could have been there in Baltimore, but to say he sets up the cheating aspect...
what bugs is how Bob was really in CT's bandwagon at the split....what was his reasons for going to Ed shows and wanting a reunion in 2015?

I asked him to get me the ticket. And he then found out the allegations against Ed were not true. Again, we all trusted Tad Chaylor. We didn’t have any reason to doubt him at that time. But once the truth came out you have to do the right thing.

[Bremang]

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[Bremang]

There was the lead singer bonus that everyone heard about. So maybe that was fake?


But then Chad said that Ed sat CCP down and gave them all an ultimatum.

Chad wrote that in the mid 2000's that Ed said he wanted to make all the music from now on, and they either had to get on board or he would go solo. That's something that would be straight from Ed to the entire band.

Is none of that true?

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[Orion0767]

The guitarist of Live is the Yoko ono of Live. He caused the band to break up the first time. With false allegations against Ed. He’s a narcissist, bloviating pathological liar that gaslighted Gracey and Dahlheimer over the years.
Back during the first breakup Taylor showed Gracey, PD and I “evidence” about Ed. But it was all fabricated and spun. But I didn’t know Ed at all at that time. I was supporting my friends.
After the band got back together in 2016, I got to know Ed and it was quickly apparent who the problem was. Further, I personally apologized to Ed regarding the comments I made and my actions during the first breakup. I was man enough to admit to him that I was wrong for just going along for the Chad Taylor ride and just assumed what he said was true.
Taylor, has jealousy issues. He needed to take credit for writing songs he just didn’t write. He would embellish numbers and tell people his band sold over 30 million albums and made 1.2 billion dollars. All false. He found is necessary to sleep with one bandmates wife and also find it necessary to get drunk and punch another bandmates wife at the Baltimore Marriott hotel. In front of many people I might add. In both situations he actually blamed their wives. “She made me F her” and “she made me hit her”.
Like I said on the Facebook post.
many of the current fans complain way too much, have a sense of entitlement. Heck, I think some feel they should have the bands social security numbers, credit score and blood types. Nothing lasts forever. Enjoy what the band previously gave you. Anyone that thinks the band should “work out their differences” are extremely selfish. If your coworker and best friend banged your wife or punched your wife in the face. Are you working that out? To expect them to put differences aside and work together is ignorant on your part. They will need to process and heal on their own time. And that time may never happen.
It’s great that people want to read news articles and pass judgment prior to a person having their day in court. People did the same thing to Johnny Depp. It’s society I guess.
But the Alan Hambys, Cindy’s, Brett Grubergs of the world like to think they can anonymously post and talk crap about someone. Heck even Chad Taylor has fake accounts on here singing his own praises and starting crap. He’s that type of narcissist.
Someone just posted the blog post he wrote in 2004. That post alone tells you what a sick and sad soul that man is. Hopefully he finds a tall building and jumps off of it and finishes his thought.
And I’m sure Tad Chaylor will read this. Ed don’t need you, Gracey don’t need you and Dahlheimer don’t need you and I certainly never needed you. The fact of the matter is, you needed all of us more than we needed you. You had four guys who would have moved mountains for you.
You sabotaged friendships of four men who actually truly cared and loved you.
I guess that’s easy to do when you don’t love yourself.

You know, I just read through this again ( it's all a lot to take in ) and it really pisses me off to find out that all of these allegations about Ed and why the band "broke up" was just made up bullshit. When all of that happened, it really diminished my opinion of Ed. It made me hate him and to find out now that it wasn't true is just .... Well, I'm not sure what it is. Looks like I directed that energy toward the wrong person. What a sordid, sad series of events.

[alexou]

I'm just trolling the troll about the cheating. I'm sure he loves the attention.
But that is a good question about 2015. ODT always says to err is to be human. He probably couldn't help but realize he made 8000 asinine posts and was jumping to conclusions which led him to hate Ed in the first place. If you read his posts they're usually riddled with bizarre comments and are very hard to follow - I'm guessing he's been confused about his own thoughts throughout the years.

I did meet him in AC in 2013 and looks like a nice guy. Helped me get some Live stuff as well. Of course they probably had some issues with Shinn's stage presence, lyrics forgotten and all, but he was never saying anything bad about it, so that's why I'm surprised. A lot of us got fooled by CT let's be honest. I raise my hand as well.

[Bremang]

A lot of us got fooled by CT let's be honest. I raise my hand as well.

Well, you're doing it again - taking one side as fact without waiting to hear from the other side. Wait to hear from Chad T. and then decide.


Fabricating documents? Why didn't anyone do their due diligence. Why couldn't Ed simply prove that documents were fabricated. We don't have enough information for any of this to make sense.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Jun 6 2022, 8:30 pm