What's Going On? Is Live Over? Options

[mattyeagles]

No one is looking good in this situation.

It’s odd how Ed decided to speak his mind on insta after taking the “high rode” publicly for so many years. Something must’ve really pissed him off.

[grandfalloon]

Clearly Bill read my recent repost of Chad's 2004 diary, which said Chad was sad when he heard Ed wrote V.

Just like the first breakup, gotta wait to hear the other side.

I wonder if Chad banged some girl that Bill was trying to harass. What confirmation do we have that Chad did anything to Ed, Chad or Pat's partners?

Whoever he banged, it's probably important that he did. You would wanna know if your partner was ready to cheat on you.

why are you so convinced that Bill Hynes is the cause of all this and accuse him of stuff when you could put yourself in a pickle? I am guessing you are a big digester of the media and what they tell you to believe.

I am thinking you like to sit on the fence and throw shit on both sides like throwing gas on a fire devoid of real facts

[grandfalloon]

I've been following the drama on the facebook FoL page - everyone is just eating up what Bill Hynes is saying. I thought he was a criminal who couldn't be trusted? Can his accusations be trusted?

Of chad taylor, Bill said "He craves attention and doesn’t like when anyone else gets it. He tried to take credit for songs Ed 100% wrote. In his own words he was crushed when Ed wrote V all by himself. The reality is that Ed doesn’t need Chad T. Chad T needs Ed."

They're over there using chad's stomps as evidence that he wants attention lol. They are saying that he demands a huge lead guitarist fee. I wish Chad T would come out with a statement and explain some of this. It seems weird that the Q anoner, the lead singer bonus guy, and criminal mastermind bill would be fully in the right on all this. Is it true?

People saying Hynes is a criminal? More like falsely setup by his peers as it appears.
Media lying as usual, sinister level bullshit. Some york newspaper hi-jinks it seems.


Taylor will not give a statement, it might incriminate his whole existence, but in his own mind, he's the victim. He doesn't consider how he's victimized so many over the years. And that is what is off-center of self.

[alexou]

I laughed at the Chad T. asked for a lead guitar fee.

Come on Bill, he doesn't even know how to play it, how can he ask to have a bonus fee. Looks like it's the end. So their 2 last good albums (The turn and Gracious Few) are not even available on Spotify. What a legacy! I moved on, discover and rediscover other good bands. That drama is completely childish. It happens only because there's no new music. They did a cash tour in 2018-19 and it's as simple as that.

[Srx17]

I've been following the drama on the facebook FoL page - everyone is just eating up what Bill Hynes is saying. I thought he was a criminal who couldn't be trusted? Can his accusations be trusted?

Of chad taylor, Bill said "He craves attention and doesn’t like when anyone else gets it. He tried to take credit for songs Ed 100% wrote. In his own words he was crushed when Ed wrote V all by himself. The reality is that Ed doesn’t need Chad T. Chad T needs Ed."

They're over there using chad's stomps as evidence that he wants attention lol. They are saying that he demands a huge lead guitarist fee. I wish Chad T would come out with a statement and explain some of this. It seems weird that the Q anoner, the lead singer bonus guy, and criminal mastermind bill would be fully in the right on all this. Is it true?

In the many conversations I've had with Hynes, and I'd like to think I have a decent read on people, I've never had a feeling that he's a scumbag or more-so that he actually harassed that woman. Bill isn't the villain in the LIVE stuff. Ed isn't the villain either. It's a sad situation. And, yes, many of us are annoyed because going into 2017 we assumed that LIVE now had a re-birth and a new album was on the horizon. Starting in 2018, we got the greatest-hits tour going (though promoters probably forced this, and frankly money makes the world go-round) and never got anything more than the EP (again new music doesn't generate tons of dough, it's more an excuse to tour and get attention). What I do, truly, feel is based on the 2017 touring (I was totally blessed to get a 15-song showing in Chicago at the Park West, that I've shared the audio of in here) ... the guys initially set out to get the machine up-and-going. The internal problem or problems is what is showing it's ugly head now. I do know there's a podcast, from a bandmate, that'll soon come out and explain so much stuff.

[Voodoo Lady]

I do know there's a podcast, from a bandmate, that'll soon come out and explain so much stuff.

We know the podcast is going to be Bill Hynes and will probably feature band mate CG.

I want to hear a neutral, outside podcaster ask drama-free Pat Dahlheimer what’s going on. Then I’ll take that seriously.

In fact the order of “whose sides” I’d want to hear would be:
Pat
Chad T.
Ed
Chad G.

I don’t wish to hear Hynes’ thoughts on ANY of it unless one of them accuses him of something pertinent to the break up of this band. Otherwise, shut up and stay out of it.

[Hoodstock]

"So, Chad Taylor torpedoed Live …"

I can't find anything from Chad, did he say something yesterday? Or is it about some woman?

[Srx17]

We know the podcast is going to be Bill Hynes and will probably feature band mate CG.

I want to hear a neutral, outside podcaster ask drama-free Pat Dahlheimer what’s going on. Then I’ll take that seriously.

In fact the order of “whose sides” I’d want to hear would be:
Pat
Chad T.
Ed
Chad G.

I don’t wish to hear Hynes’ thoughts on ANY of it unless one of them accuses him of something pertinent to the break up of this band. Otherwise, shut up and stay out of it.

I'm not really sure if whose sides you want to hear first are that pertinent to the band or this forum. It's nice that you want to hold judgement on folks, though. Here's the deal -- Ed K isn't the source of the drama. I have no idea what you hold against Gracey, unless it's that he's a Conservative (which these days is a Bozo No-No, smh). And, frankly, Hynes was a business associate that was crucial in the LIVE reunion. I'm not really sure Pat would bring anything to table, as he seems to be Switzerland and I would love for Taylor to step up to the plate -- there's a lot of shade coming his way (much like he threw over at Ed years ago), let's see how he'll dance out.

[Srx17]

"So, Chad Taylor torpedoed Live …"

I can't find anything from Chad, did he say something yesterday? Or is it about some woman?

Evidently you're on the FOL facebook page, too. Why don't you message Bill Hynes ... he's publicly added this stuff.

[Badman]

I had a thought recently on why we haven't heard much from Chad Taylor. It could be that he really did cheat on his wife and he's trying to save his marriage right now. Maybe arguing with the band would actively hurt his chance of making it work with her. If that's what it is, then we can wait on any statement from him.

In time we'll figure out what happened. I doubt the band will go on with Chad Taylor.

A silver lining of all this is that we'll no longer have to distinguish which Chad we mean anymore. That's somethin' I guess

[Srx17]

I had a thought recently on why we haven't heard much from Chad Taylor. It could be that he really did cheat on his wife and he's trying to save his marriage right now. Maybe arguing with the band would actively hurt his chance of making it work with her. If that's what it is, then we can wait on any statement from him.

In time we'll figure out what happened. I doubt the band will go on with Chad Taylor.

A silver lining of all this is that we'll no longer have to distinguish which Chad we mean anymore. That's somethin' I guess

The bigger thing that makes you think, whom did he cheat with? It's been alluded to him doing this deed with someone's spouse. There's a reason these guys are over it.

[Orion0767]

I am just now seeing this on FoL Facebook page. Not the first time I’ve seen Hynes accuse CT of cheating on his wife but I brushed it off. So is this the underlying reason for the break up? And whose wife was it?

So I guess these comments were deleted from the FB group before I saw them or I just missed them. I didn't realize that this was part ( or all ) of the issue. Geez, I really hope this is not what I think it is. If so, then whoa ....

[Orion0767]

The bigger thing that makes you think, whom did he cheat with? It's been alluded to him doing this deed with someone's spouse. There's a reason these guys are over it.

Exactly

[Srx17]

So I guess these comments were deleted from the FB group before I saw them or I just missed them. I didn't realize that this was part ( or all ) of the issue. Geez, I really hope this is not what I think it is. If so, then whoa ....

More explanation today, from the FB Page:

[Bill Hynes]
"It’s phenomenal. And brings it to the future. I think it will capture a new base of fans. Which is good, because many of the current fans complain way too much, have a sense of entitlement. Heck, I think some feel they should have the bands social security numbers, credit score and blood types. Nothing lasts forever. Enjoy what the band previously gave you. Anyone that thinks the band should “work out their differences” are extremely selfish. If your coworker and best friend banged your wife or punched your wife in the face. Are you working that out? To expect them to put differences aside and work together is ignorant on your part. They will need to process and heal on their own time. And that time may never happen."

[Srx17]

More explanation today, from the FB Page:

[Bill Hynes]
"It’s phenomenal. And brings it to the future. I think it will capture a new base of fans. Which is good, because many of the current fans complain way too much, have a sense of entitlement. Heck, I think some feel they should have the bands social security numbers, credit score and blood types. Nothing lasts forever. Enjoy what the band previously gave you. Anyone that thinks the band should “work out their differences” are extremely selfish. If your coworker and best friend banged your wife or punched your wife in the face. Are you working that out? To expect them to put differences aside and work together is ignorant on your part. They will need to process and heal on their own time. And that time may never happen."

He was originally talking about the new remixed track coming out and the fans' attitude ... cue the co-worker analogy!!