SFBM debuts at #52 on Billboard 200 Options

[sandkind]

Don't worry - you're young compared to me... I remember U2's first 4 albums and bought them all with great excitement as they were released in my early teens. The whole Seattle thing happened when I was in my early 20's (though AIC and Soundgarden are my two favourites, I was actually giving Core a spin last night). And my friends have kids who are younger than Throwing Copper!

me too, i grew up on zeppelin, van halen, & rush before i discovered STP, Live, Bush, and Collective Soul in the 90's.

you have some good points about live vs. afi. while afi is not my thing, they will surely be around for awhile. anyone who blames all of live's record sale woes on Epic should wake up. I agree whole-heartedly they have done a poor job of promotion, but you simply cannot blame poor sales completely on that.

IMO collective soul has done the best job of growing as a band by far despite 2 personnel changes, but then again ed roland is a brilliant song writer whereas ed k is a good songwriter. Again, just my opinion.

[SJN1279]

IMO collective soul has done the best job of growing as a band by far despite 2 personnel changes, but then again ed roland is a brilliant song writer whereas ed k is a good songwriter. Again, just my opinion.

Some of the lyrics from Ed Roland are great. They are almost better to read than listen too in my opinon. However their biggest hit from their last album was totally assinine and irritating! Happy as xmas, yeah yeah...ugh!

[beau99]

Some of the lyrics from Ed Roland are great. They are almost better to read than listen too in my opinon. However their biggest hit from their last album was totally assinine and irritating! Happy as xmas, yeah yeah...ugh!

Actually, "Better Now" is awesome. I'm not really a Collective Soul fan, but "Better Now" is one of the better things I've heard from them.

[sandkind]

when i talk about songwriting, i mean the entire song. lyrics and music. ed roland is phenomenal at coming up with the music; he studied music at Berklee. he is much more diverse than just what is heard in collective soul. as far as writing the music only goes, ed k cannot touch him. that is not to say i enjoy listening to cs anymore than live. actually, on any given day i might like one slightly better than the other. lyrics are a very subjective matter and to me personally not very important. i usually enjoy the lyrics from both eds.

if anyone has not heard the Home cd they released recently, a live recording w/the Atl Symphony Youth Orchestra, it is a true treat to the ears. i was at one of the two concerts it was recorded at and it was one of the most incredible concerts i have ever experienced. they are performing with the AYSO again this August and i have a ticket. i am psyched!

[Damon]

This album is just so bland. It's adult contemporary crap and will be the first Live album I don't purchase (I listened to it on my yahoo music subscription).

Do you all remember the days when Live had a political charge? Could there possibly be a more politically charged time in the world? Does this band have nothing to say anymore?

I dunno... I'm all for bands changing, but if this is going to be where Live keeps heading, then... I will just have to hold them in my memory and love their old albums and by the current album sales... it seems that many people are feeling the same.

Good luck to them.

This post has been edited by Damon: Jun 16 2006, 9:14 pm

[Jack4343]

This album is just so bland. It's adult contemporary crap and will be the first Live album I don't purchase (I listened to it on my yahoo music subscription).

Do you all remember the days when Live had a political charge? Could there possibly be a more politically charged time in the world? Does this band have nothing to say anymore?

I dunno... I'm all for bands changing, but if this is going to be where Live keeps heading, then... I will just have to hold them in my memory and love their old albums and by the current album sales... it seems that many people are feeling the same.

Good luck to them.

<rant> It just goes to show you that everyone will have a different opinion. I'm exactly the opposite regarding the political songs. I can't stand them. I was watching my Pearl Jam Touring Band 2000 DVD last night and looked over to my wife and said, "Why can't Eddie Vedder just sing? I mean, enough of the political crap...I paid good money for your damn music! Entertain me! Who does he think he is? Bob Dylan? Joan Baez?" To me, the last two Pearl Jam CDs are pretty much unlistenable because of all the political lyrics. I listen to music as an escape. No need to try and rile me all up. I'm 36 years old. I'm not being influenced by the lyrics. Thats pretty much the reason why I love Songs From Black Mountain. The beginning of "The River"..."La La La La"....beautiful! Give me more beautiful, happy music with good hooks and snappy choruses! The whole album to me is incredible. All except "Home". Again, for the reasons I stated above. Ed has as much business talking about soldiers as I do about them. He didn't serve, I didn't serve and therefore have no authority on the subject. <endrant>

[SJN1279]

<rant> It just goes to show you that everyone will have a different opinion. I'm exactly the opposite regarding the political songs. I can't stand them. I was watching my Pearl Jam Touring Band 2000 DVD last night and looked over to my wife and said, "Why can't Eddie Vedder just sing? I mean, enough of the political crap...I paid good money for your damn music! Entertain me! Who does he think he is? Bob Dylan? Joan Baez?" To me, the last two Pearl Jam CDs are pretty much unlistenable because of all the political lyrics. I listen to music as an escape. No need to try and rile me all up. I'm 36 years old. I'm not being influenced by the lyrics. Thats pretty much the reason why I love Songs From Black Mountain. The beginning of "The River"..."La La La La"....beautiful! Give me more beautiful, happy music with good hooks and snappy choruses! The whole album to me is incredible. All except "Home". Again, for the reasons I stated above. Ed has as much business talking about soldiers as I do about them. He didn't serve, I didn't serve and therefore have no authority on the subject. <endrant>

Really great post. I agree with 98 percent of it(liking Home is the only disagreement).

[sandkind]

<rant> It just goes to show you that everyone will have a different opinion. I'm exactly the opposite regarding the political songs. I can't stand them. I was watching my Pearl Jam Touring Band 2000 DVD last night and looked over to my wife and said, "Why can't Eddie Vedder just sing? I mean, enough of the political crap...I paid good money for your damn music! Entertain me! Who does he think he is? Bob Dylan? Joan Baez?" To me, the last two Pearl Jam CDs are pretty much unlistenable because of all the political lyrics. I listen to music as an escape. No need to try and rile me all up. I'm 36 years old. I'm not being influenced by the lyrics. Thats pretty much the reason why I love Songs From Black Mountain. The beginning of "The River"..."La La La La"....beautiful! Give me more beautiful, happy music with good hooks and snappy choruses! The whole album to me is incredible. All except "Home". Again, for the reasons I stated above. Ed has as much business talking about soldiers as I do about them. He didn't serve, I didn't serve and therefore have no authority on the subject. <endrant>

absolutely, if they want to be in politics then run for office and try to make reforms. it is just so much bullshit that entertainers think everyone who listens/enjoys them think their fans all agree with their political agenda. STFU already and perform like you are being paid to do! and if find it revolting for those who have never served a day in uniform to try to make judgements about them. i am not a big tool fan but at least maynard at west point for a bit so he at least speaks from his own experience. still, just STFU and perform!

good post jack

[SJN1279]

absolutely, if they want to be in politics then run for office and try to make reforms. it is just so much bullshit that entertainers think everyone who listens/enjoys them think their fans all agree with their political agenda. STFU already and perform like you are being paid to do! and if find it revolting for those who have never served a day in uniform to try to make judgements about them. i am not a big tool fan but at least maynard at west point for a bit so he at least speaks from his own experience. still, just STFU and perform!

good post jack

I found U2 to be one of the worst this pushing their message down the audience throats. I paid over 150 for the tickets and the band's main focus wasn't on entertainment. It was on their own political agenda. Very irritating to say the least.

I also loved when Pearl Jam, Bruce, and others got together for the vote for change tour. I'm not a Bush fan, but the tour didn't make a difference in the elections outcome. Must have been to big blow to all their massive ego's.

[beau99]

I found U2 to be one of the worst this pushing their message down the audience throats. I paid over 150 for the tickets and the band's main focus wasn't on entertainment. It was on their own political agenda. Very irritating to say the least.

Umm... no.

They were political in 1983. Their "political" message now is nothing more than a message of love and peace.

U2 is still the best band of all time. Bono can shove his politics down my throat as much as he wants because I wholeheartedly agree with every word he says.

This post has been edited by beau99: Jun 17 2006, 5:38 pm

[Senghe]

Umm... no.

They were political in 1983. Their "political" message now is nothing more than a message of love and peace.

U2 is still the best band of all time. Bono can shove his politics down my throat as much as he wants because I wholeheartedly agree with every word he says.

The difference is back in 1983, U2 made fucking great music and were making politically charged music from the personal experience. Knowing what was going on with the IRA back then, I wholeheartedly admire the band for that as they stuck to their principles when it meant they were in real danger of getting blown to pieces (and it was threatened). We hit about 1985 and Bono's ego took over and it's expanded geometrically ever since. I wish he'd shove his political views up his own arse - it can keep his head company.

[sandkind]

I found U2 to be one of the worst this pushing their message down the audience throats. I paid over 150 for the tickets and the band's main focus wasn't on entertainment. It was on their own political agenda. Very irritating to say the least.

I also loved when Pearl Jam, Bruce, and others got together for the vote for change tour. I'm not a Bush fan, but the tour didn't make a difference in the elections outcome. Must have been to big blow to all their massive ego's.

yeah, Bono has gone over the edge (heh, heh). His political BS has totally ruined U2 for me. Oh, love the way beau tells you no about what Bono pushed down your throat at the show YOU attended. Eddie Vedder, ditto. I am a huge Bush fan, i loved sixteen stone and razorblade suitcase

message to beau: i am worried about you; you seem to have fallen into some kind of Bono worship

[beau99]

I don't worship Bono.

I just agree with him. I think I'm allowed to do that.

Quick edit: I own the 2005 Vertigo Tour DVD. Any political message was saved for Sunday Bloody Sunday, where it should be. Even then, he was just telling Muslims, Jews and Christians to coexist like they should.

He was even being nice and dedicated Running to Stand Still to the brave men and women in Iraq. He didn't have to do that, you know. But being the great guy he is, he did anyway.



This post has been edited by beau99: Jun 17 2006, 6:49 pm

[MetsOwnYou]

U2 is a joke.

[beau99]

LOL.