Freaking Hilarious Setlist Opinions Options

[Voodoo Lady]

“Freaking Hilarious Setlist Opinions” is the title of this thread, because that’s what it seems possibly the real Chad Gracey commented two hours ago on the FOL Facebook setlist discussion, and I’m quite taken aback by that. What are we, chopped liver? The conversation includes Bill Hynes telling fans that promoters demand artists play certain songs. I don’t see a promoter demanding Līve play “Losing My Religion” and “Paint It Black.” Hynes also took offense to someone calling this a money grab. -That it is indeed a money grab because this is how Līve pays their bills.— I totally get that. I have no problem helping Līve pay their bills, but that goes two ways here. I freaking work my ass off too, for way less. And I bought a concert ticket and am driving 8 hours away because all I wanted to see and hear this summer was my all time favorite band play “Hold Me Up”, not “Losing My Religion.” Now for CG to say that my (fans) opinions are freaking hilarious is rubbing salt in my wound.

[Voodoo Lady]

Oh and there’s more... I didn’t even read further down. Chad just wants us to be appreciative that they are all 4 still alive and overcame adversity between them.
AS IF I’M NOT.
Also, that the internet has made fans critical and not happy. So I guess from now on I’ll just be happy if they want to add the Hokey Pokey or something to the setlist.

[Hoodstock]

He did comment in response to what many people are posting. Chad is human and he reacts to things like anyone else. Don't take it personally. Live put together a show they're happy with and they want people to enjoy it.

I didn't post about it there but being honest, Chad and I would have to agree to disagree on this being a good setlist for the 25th Anniversary of Throwing Copper tour. It's not trying to be negative (like he said), it's being honest.

I think for any regular tour this set would be adequate, but this isn't any tour. This is the milestone tour for their biggest album.

I'd love to have seen the album from start to finish with Hold Me Up thrown in. Live said early on that would not be happening.

With that being the case I was hoping for a core 8-10 songs from the album to start or end the show accompanied by a parade of Live hits that span their career. Wasn't t even looking for deeper cuts from other albums this tour because of what it is celebrating along with Bush.

I personally wouldn't have included a single cover for this tour. Some people are commenting that the like them. I don't necessarily mind them, but not for TC 25. I feel like Live put together a tour, but not a tour to celebrate what this album meant to so many people.

Adding to that - along with Church Box, Hold Me Up has been the most anticipated music from Live for about two decades. Not acknowledging the long awaited official release of this song by making it a staple part of this tour is completely puzzling. The long awaited release of Hold Me Up should be the showcase of the celebration of Throwing Copper.

Seeing I'm going to one concert I dont really care about the variety from show to show but to say I'm not a little bummed out about the setlist for this tour after the first show would be dishonest.

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Jun 7 2019, 1:57 pm

[Voodoo Lady]

He did comment in response to what many people are posting. Chad is human and he reacts to things like anyone else. Don't take it personally. Live put together a show they're happy with and they want people to enjoy it.

I get that. It’s hard to hear criticism when you’re happy with your work. I also know that people get defensive when they’re not happy with their hard work, but also when a little guilty to not have given their work their 100% effort. I hope they are happy with what they’ve put together. Either way, I don’t think it was the right thing to do to jump on the fans expressing their feelings, with the other guy Bill, chiming in sarcastically. That’s what I was taken aback by.

I didn't post about it there but being honest, Chad and I would have to agree to disagree on this being a good setlist for the 25th Anniversary of Throwing Copper tour. It's not trying to be negative (like he said), it's being honest.

Exactly.

I think for any regular tour this set would be adequate, but this isn't any tour. This is the milestone tour for their biggest album.

Yup.

I'd love to have seen the album from start to finish with Hold Me Up thrown in. Live said early on that would not be happening.

With that being the case I was hoping for a core 8-10 songs from the album to start or end the show accompanied by a parade of Live hits that span their career. Wasn't t even looking for deeper cuts from other albums this tour because of what it is celebrating along with Bush.

I personally wouldn't have included a single cover for this tour. Some people are commenting that the like them. I don't necessarily mind them, but not for TC 25. I feel like Live put together a tour, but not a tour to celebrate what this album meant to so many people.

Yes, we are all going to have a million different desires and opinions when it comes to the setlist. I don’t mind the covers either (at least the Blues one is gone, I in fact did mind that one) but, I agree in that they don’t fit in a tour celebrating TC 25.

Adding to that - along with Church Box, Hold Me Up has been the most anticipated music from Live for about two decades. Not acknowledging the long awaited official release of this song by making it a staple part of this tour is completely puzzling. The long awaited release of Hold Me Up should be the showcase of the celebration of Throwing Copper.

I whole heartedly agree and don’t understand their decision to not include it. I was thinking they might add it later, but after all the other strange things they haven’t done since the reunion, I 99% doubt they ever will.

Seeing I'm going to one concert I dont really care about the variety from show to show but to say I'm not a little bummed out about the setlist for this tour after the first show would be dishonest.

Thanks for your honesty.

One comment in particular in that thread I found most interesting. A person said with Shinn, they’d throw surprises into their setlists (Freaks was given as a specific example) and he’d mess up on the lyrics, but they’d still go with it. That is interesting to me, as I never paid much attention to what they were playing with that other guy. As to why that was and it’s not like that now, is a valid point for discussion.

I also wish a journalist would ask Ed why Hold Me Up isn’t being included, but I won’t hold my breath.

[rivertown]

So, I don't come here often, so please bear with me: there is someone who posts in here that you are certain is actually CG?

[Possum Kingdom]

How can they possibly defend Ed playing Heaven solo?

Not hard to rotate songs from TC on this tour. Still early but I'd bet against Live when it comes to set list. They know they have a stale, generic list of songs that they know how to play without taking the time to rehearse.

Overall, I don't think the set is terrible but drop a cover and heaven. Sprinkle in Stage, TBD or POD. And for the love of everything holy please never close with LC. They started doing that right before the hiatus. WD is the closer period. No need to put the crowd to sleep before Bush.

I'm guessing Zak and Diaz know more of the Live catalog than Live at this point.

[dangum]

So, I don't come here often, so please bear with me: there is someone who posts in here that you are certain is actually CG?

No, Chad Gracey doesn't post on this forum. The posts that are referred in this thread come from Facebook.

His comments are located in this post on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/LiveStreetT...59844464081132/

Below are the exact words written by Bill Hynes (thethrill57) and Chad Gracey.

Bill Hynes: You do realize your comment about “money grabbing” is stupid. This is how they MAKE their money to provide for their families. Everything that ANY artist does is a money grab. It has to be. They have bills just like you do. If your a fan of an artist you should happily go an support them. But it hasn’t always been that way. “fan” have stolen music, shared music with friends etc. the music industry continues to screw the artists out of royalties. You know those tour buses, the crews, the stages, the lights, the sound. That all cost money. Guess what else. The PROMOTORS tell them what to play. They will out in the contract “play these songs and only these songs”. Fans who don’t want their favorite artists to make money are not fans.

Chad Gracey: People and their opinions are freaking hilarious sometimes.....Jeez

Chad Gracey: The premise of this whole thread is the problem with the internet and most people in general. Everything is a complaint about something or someone. Its nauseating and contagious. Someone says something negative then it just snowballs. I'm guilty of it...everyone is but jeez just be happy. We overcame all the adversity between us, we are all still LIVING and we can all still play music for you guys. Celebrate it! Instead of tearing it down because you didn't hear the song you wanted. And yeah we make money but this is our job and luckily we can still do it. Thanks to all the positive fans out there and to the people that want to criticize, try turning it into something positive.

[dangum]

I'm guessing Zak and Diaz know more of the Live catalog than Live at this point.

Robin Diaz is no longer touring with Live. Clint Simmons is his replacement.

[Possum Kingdom]

Robin Diaz is no longer touring with Live. Clint Simmons is his replacement.

Thanks. The Billboard article just mentioned him so I thought maybe he was back.

[Bremang]

I'd like to see Chad and Bill try to come around here with that silly shit

[Costakoui]

I am sorry guys but i do not see anything wrong with Chad's response. And i totally agree with him about the internet, social networking and expression of opinions.

This post has been edited by Costakoui: Jun 7 2019, 11:34 pm

[Voodoo Lady]

I am sorry guys but i do not see anything wrong with Chad's response. And i totally agree with him about the internet, social networking and expression of opinions.

You don’t have to be sorry. I’d like to hear more in detail how you think the internet and social networking has changed how people express their opinions. I’m guessing, and I think maybe CG was hinting at this, that people get more brave with what they say and how they say it, hiding behind a keyboard. Also of course, it’s instantaneous and easy to express opinions, whether good or bad. But opinions, including negative ones, have existed forever. I remember having pen pals with common interests in music back in the day, and we’d discuss our opinions about bands, good and bad. —Same thing. Just write it on paper, stick it in an envelope, and stamp it. Anyway, I don’t think anyone was being mean or disrespectful in that thread. Just staying their disappointment with the covers. We have the right to be, as we spend our cash to hear it. Just saying.

[Bremang]

I am sorry guys but i do not see anything wrong with Chad's response. And i totally agree with him about the internet, social networking and expression of opinions.

Except you said Waterfall was garbage. Chad would tell you to stop being negative and stop criticizing, and turn that into a positive.....go ahead...

[Costakoui]

You don’t have to be sorry. I’d like to hear more in detail how you think the internet and social networking has changed how people express their opinions. I’m guessing, and I think maybe CG was hinting at this, that people get more brave with what they say and how they say it, hiding behind a keyboard. Also of course, it’s instantaneous and easy to express opinions, whether good or bad. But opinions, including negative ones, have existed forever. I remember having pen pals with common interests in music back in the day, and we’d discuss our opinions about bands, good and bad. —Same thing. Just write it on paper, stick it in an envelope, and stamp it. Anyway, I don’t think anyone was being mean or disrespectful in that thread. Just staying their disappointment with the covers. We have the right to be, as we spend our cash to hear it. Just saying.

It is easy indeed to express an opinion behind a keyboard and many times people abuse this contemporary way of communication and networking. It is easy because people think they are less accountable and less likely to be exposed. In other words, there is more "anonymity" or absence direct identification even when people use their real names. There is no direct context of deep discussion and learning from each other.

It is fine to express opinions; that’s democracy and opinions have improved many situations. However, opinions very often, in social media specifically, are not well thought-out and substantiated. And i am not referring to you; actually you are one of the few members whose opinion i highly value.

[Costakoui]

Except you said Waterfall was garbage. Chad would tell you to stop being negative and stop criticizing, and turn that into a positive.....go ahead...

Not need to. I am sure Chad would agree with me