Chris Shinn interview on Rockonomics podcast Options

[Lakini's Juice]

This interview pretty much substantiates CCP weren't the holy disgruntled rockers under the thumb of tyrannical Ed all this time. The way they handled the breakup and Ed 10 odd years ago was really low and childish to say the least, Chris' testimony proves it. Ed always took the high road in interviews and let his lyrics tell the story while CCP went public and ugly. I lost a lot of respect for these guys. Can't believe these are the guys that made Jewelry and Copper.

[+Ed+]

Keeping the turn confuses the casuals, removing the turn confuses fans who expect to see shinn in the discography.

Didnt ccp not have v, bop, or sfbm for sale on the website when they were feuding w ed?

Exactly

[Existentialist]

Faking a break up, conning a billionaire into filling in, going into business with a convicted felon and conning said billionaire into investing with said felon, and then dropping said billionaire and faking a reunion is about all you can do when your last album was SFBM and you can’t write anything better than Love Lounge or Giver. The reason I rip on Live so hard is because they meant so much to me when I was growing up, and now I’ve grown up to realize they’re a bunch of uneducated redneck phonies who happened to write great music for about 8 years of their current 40+.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Nov 30 2018, 8:43 pm

[JonSnow]

I'm always alone on this one, but I still like considering that maybe all of this is an elaborate con.

Chris Shinn, the sweet-hearted, very emotional, wannabe rockstar multi-millionaire seems like an easy mark for a conman. As conmen of all trades tend to seek out wealthy people in general.
All Live had to do was fake a breakup, pretend to fall in love with Chris, pitch him on United Fiber, and boom, you have a big investor.

Faking a breakup has all kinds of perks. Live was in a pitfall in their career. Ed couldn't sustain the classic Live sound any longer. So split the fanbase, double the exposure, and get a massive conversation rolling with the fans. All press is good press sometimes. It also keeps people distracted from realizing that Live would not come close to meeting expectations of the 90's anymore. Ask any of these fake beefing rappers know how much a good beef helps their career.

All they had to do was make up some bullshit about a lead singer bonus. And then ask any lawyer, it really wouldn't be difficult to write up a couple Complaints and file it in superior court. Ed has plausible deniability by saying he can't discuss the situation at all because there is an ongoing lawsuit, which conveniently took forever to resolve.

Meanwhile Ed goes on a bunch of world tours with a couple albums and fans love him. CCP get to finally rock out again with singers who can handle the music. They get to hype up a reformation of Live and they go on the Summerland tour. Both parties cash in on separate Throwing Copper reunion shows. And of course the return of Ed in the band makes a huge splash and helps them get great billing at festivals which pay a ton.

And when you get Chris involved, if you listen to that interview, maybe CCP and Ed knew how much Chris dreamed of finally making it. He would give anything. After spending all those years drinking, after all those extremely regrettable decisions which left him without a famous band, he said Live was his lifeline. What would he give to stay in CCP's good graces? Why wouldn't Chris opt in to make alot of money with a fiber optic company. No sweat, he's got plenty of cash.

Surely Bill Hynes couldn't have been involved in the plotting, right?

Sounds like a great financial plan compared to Ed and CCP remaining together in Live back in 2009 as they spiral way downhill.
Either that or feel free to believe in the current story.

I guess you would rather believe that CCP dropped their lifelong friend Ed because of a lead singer bonus and a secret contract, after an ultimatum that Ed forced upon them, which CCP sheepishly agreed to and suffered for years in the mid 2000s because the three of them together are oh so battered and emotionally defenseless. Chad Gracey and Pat just submitted to Ed's demands. Upon the breakup both parties completely shit on each other and swear to never be involved with each other again. Chad Gracey cries several times about being put behind a glass cage to protect Ed's "wittle ears" when actually the glass cage serves a different purpose and there's nothing wrong with it. Chad T. goes on huge public rants in his blog "by accident." CCP find Chris and they love him. Ed suddenly loves being solo and truly Christian in his heart. Then CCP pull a 180 and hate Chris, dump him and hide the music, and they love Ed to pieces cause they had a beer at a restaurant. Ed pulls a 180 and swears off Christianity. Only then to have Ed come and take full credit with outsider Zak Loy in the songwriting, having sideshow drummers in studio and on tour (two drummers on stage!)after CCP were vehemently fighting with fans online, as well as extrapolating in all the lawsuits, claiming each member of Live was essential and contributed equally, demanded to be paid 25% a piece, and that Live would always be the sum of four equal parts, and that it would always be this equation. Now Gracey doesn't even drum half the time.
I would never underestimate Ed, CCP, or Bill when it comes to manipulation. Who knows how many people Live have to support and guide their career. Ever since Public Affection, these guys have taken a special fondness to public perception. Just look at those old public affection newsletters.They lie in almost every interview from day one.

[Voodoo Lady]

Faking a break up, conning a billionaire into filling in, going into business with a convicted felon and conning said billionaire into investing with said felon, and then dropping said billionaire and faking a reunion is about all you can do when your last album was SFBM and you can’t write anything better than Love Lounge or Giver.

What a load of crap. Bremang should really write for the National Enquirer.

The reason I rip on Live so hard is because they meant so much to me when I was growing up, and now I’ve grown up to realize they’re a bunch of uneducated redneck phonies who happened to write great music for about 8 years of their current 40+.

“Uneducated redneck phonies?!” I’m calling bull.— Līve never meant a thing to you growing up or you wouldn’t dare say such a thing.

I’m really not trying to be mean, but that sentence makes you sound certifiably insane. You really need to moooove on. Peace. You are blocked. I can’t take it anymore.

[Existentialist]

What a load of crap. Bremang should really write for the National Enquirer.
“Uneducated redneck phonies?!” I’m calling bull.— Līve never meant a thing to you growing up or you wouldn’t dare say such a thing.

I’m really not trying to be mean, but that sentence makes you sound certifiably insane. You really need to moooove on. Peace. You are blocked. I can’t take it anymore.

You know what’s really insane is getting your panties in this much of a bunch over something someone says about someone else on a message board.

[Bremang]

What a load of crap. Bremang should really write for the National Enquirer.

We know Live are schemers and probably made way more $ from the breakup than if they stayed together so go figure

This post has been edited by Bremang: Dec 1 2018, 10:25 am

[SJN1279]

We know Live are schemers and probably made way more $ from the breakup than if they stayed together so go figure

The nasty elements to the break up makes the break up legit. Those elements pushed a strong fanbase apart for no reason.

[Bremang]

The nasty elements to the break up makes the break up legit. Those elements pushed a strong fanbase apart for no reason.

Yeah like gracey complaining about glass which had no effect on eds ears, or how they belittled fans about being equal members and then put out a Live ep credited to zak loy and ed with new drummers, and all the nastiness from Ed, oh wait, he conveniently made no comment

Very legit

[Bremang]

I think youre just remembering OTDs anti ed compaign against you. 8000 posts in two years. No trace of him before the breakup and suddenly he disappeared right after.


Very legit you say

This post has been edited by Bremang: Dec 1 2018, 2:13 pm

[SJN1279]

Yeah like gracey complaining about glass which had no effect on eds ears, or how they belittled fans about being equal members and then put out a Live ep credited to zak loy and ed with new drummers, and all the nastiness from Ed, oh wait, he conveniently made no comment

Very legit

They had a public lawsuit. Why waste money on lawyers?

[Bremang]

They had a public lawsuit. Why waste money on lawyers?

They didnt waste money. it was a huge return on their investment. They became relevant again and made headlines. They were on radio, magazines, rolling stone. They also needed it to seem believable to stir up fan support. This is how you justify CCP going on tour without Ed. Filing a couple of complaints doesnt cost much. They didnt event litigate.

In 2005 Live couldnt sell out a bar in upstate NY. If they tried to write an album after sfbm and tour again it would be even worse. If not unsustainable. With the breakup and return they got top billing at festivals and had two sets of tours going. Wasn't it Otd who brought the court case to our attention?

This post has been edited by Bremang: Dec 1 2018, 2:56 pm

[Bremang]

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This post has been edited by Bremang: Dec 1 2018, 2:38 pm

[mattyeagles]

Live is not the first band to break up, have a public feud , and then reunion tour...

No conspiracy

This post has been edited by mattyeagles: Dec 1 2018, 5:56 pm

[Bremang]

Live is not the first band to break up, have a public feud , and then reunion tour...

No conspiracy

They wouldnt be the first artists to fake a feud

how many of those bands broke up when they had lost most of their fanbase and their music and lead singer were at an all time low to the point that they couldnt sell out a bar

Im not all in on this theory but I dont outright dismiss it.