Live Members Talk Unlikely Reunion, Moving Past Mudslinging, Rolling Stone article 2017 Options

[Bremang]

I don't really buy this. I don't think the casuals who didn't come along for The Turn care either way, to be honest. Being respectful to Chris and The Turn doesn't detract from the reunion. Fans aren't going to say "oh well then, I don't need to bother with Ed's return since CT says he likes what they did with Chris."

They can be respectful to Chris and what they made together with The Turn, without detracting from and still being focused on the new chapter with Ed. It's literally piss fucking easy.

I guess they feel like they need a reason to bring Ed back after completely defiling his character and saying he started to suck musically. That's why we get the bullshit about Ed becoming a better musician as a solo artist, and Chris being the odd man out. Even more promotional impact if it is controversial. From a PR perspective it makes sense. CCP eventually made those nice tweets to placate the Shinn fans, and we can guess Ed does not want Turn in the catalogue. So this is the middle ground

[Merica]

Hmmmmmmm, nah. Still not buying it. There's really no need at all to manufacture any minor controversy or any of that. I can't imagine it would have any positive effect anyway. Ed's back, and that's the draw for the fan base at large. The tying up of The Turn era loose ends is all academic, which is why there's zero good reason not to be respectful in public (especially considering it was a journey a lot of their hardcore fans joined them on).

[Bremang]

Hmmmmmmm, nah. Still not buying it. There's really no need at all to manufacture any minor controversy or any of that. I can't imagine it would have any positive effect anyway. Ed's back, and that's the draw for the fan base at large. The tying up of The Turn era loose ends is all academic, which is why there's zero good reason not to be respectful in public (especially considering it was a journey a lot of their hardcore fans joined them on).

What should CCP say to the fans after picking Ed and dropping Chris, keeping in mind CCP tried to ruin Ed's reputation as a person and a musician, and praised Chris?

[Merica]

What should CCP say to the fans after picking Ed and dropping Chris, keeping in mind CCP tried to ruin Ed's reputation as a person and a musician, and praised Chris?

All the stuff they've been saying about reconnecting with Ed and the childhood bonds and yadda yadda - it's all perfectly fine. Keep it. But just sprinkle in something about how "we enjoyed our time with Chris and we cherish The Turn and the memories we made together, but in the end we knew we wanted to reconcile with Ed."

That kinda thing. Piss easy, nice and respectful to the era, doesn't detract at all from the direction they're heading in. Literally couldn't be simpler.

This post has been edited by Merica: Jan 31 2017, 10:01 am

[World Dreamer]

Taylor: This is the first time in our career where there's not a record company sitting there waiting with any expectations. So for the first time I feel like we can approach songwriting at our own pace and with just our own expectations. If we want to veer left of center on something, we can follow that path.

In case you weren't sure if they were really burying the Turn or not. Last I looked, the Turn was under Think Loud.

[Merica]

In case you weren't sure if they were really burying the Turn or not. Last I looked, the Turn was under Think Loud.

I believe I and/or other people mentioned this on FB, and Bill said that actually The Turn was released on some kind of label. I forget the exact words he used, and even the name he gave. But your point was raised and he was trying to refute it (by naming a label never before mentioned and not actually noted down anywhere in connection to The Turn.)

I can't check because I'm no longer on the FB groups, sadly.

But yeah, my feeling is that history is being rewritten.

[World Dreamer]

What's the big deal about the realization of, "Who the fuck is that guy standing there?"
It's not showing disrespect. It's just how he felt at that moment and the fact that he missed Ed. Doesn't mean he's shitting on Chris. No doubt CT is still appreciative and respectful of CS. Doesn't make what he said about CS, wishing him well and thanking him, any less a genuine.

I found the whole quote pretty interesting.

When I saw Live it was Shinn trying his ass off to perform the catalog. However, when they played new songs, especially 6310, Shinn was a different person.

He was completely in the zone during 6310. You could tell it deeply meant something to him.

If I was the RS interviewer I would have asked CT who he saw when he looked over during 6310.

[World Dreamer]

I believe I and/or other people mentioned this on FB, and Bill said that actually The Turn was released on some kind of label. I forget the exact words he used, and even the name he gave. But your point was raised and he was trying to refute it (by naming a label never before mentioned and not actually noted down anywhere in connection to The Turn.)

I can't check because I'm no longer on the FB groups, sadly.

But yeah, my feeling is that history is being rewritten.

Amazon, iTunes, Wikipedia, and Google must be all wrong then.

OR Bill is full of shit.

Hmm...I wonder which...

[Possum Kingdom]

I will try to separate the bull shit from the new music, but at this point that's going to be very hard.

Clearly they have chosen $ over integrity and that's their prerogative, but the blatant disrespect for Shinn is a bit too much.

Taylor wants to be relevant again in the music industry so bad that he'll say or do anything to be noticed or make a headline. Live are now and will be a nostalgia act until they finally pull the plug and break up again.

[TonyD]

All the stuff they've been saying about reconnecting with Ed and the childhood bonds and yadda yadda - it's all perfectly fine. Keep it. But just sprinkle in something about how "we enjoyed our time with Chris and we cherish The Turn and the memories we made together, but in the end we knew we wanted to reconcile with Ed."

That kinda thing. Piss easy, nice and respectful to the era, doesn't detract at all from the direction they're heading in. Literally couldn't be simpler.

Unless there is a video version of the interview that proves otherwise, maybe some of what the guys said was excluded from print? Most people reading the article who know live from when they were popular probably don't know shinn. Live wasn't live with shinn. Only van halen could pull off a lead singer change.

[mattyeagles]

I found the whole quote pretty interesting.

When I saw Live it was Shinn trying his ass off to perform the catalog. However, when they played new songs, especially 6310, Shinn was a different person.

He was completely in the zone during 6310. You could tell it deeply meant something to him.

If I was the RS interviewer I would have asked CT who he saw when he looked over during 6310.

He probably didnt ask because no one cares, with the exception of a few fans on this board

[Pingfah]

I don't really buy this. I don't think the casuals who didn't come along for The Turn care either way, to be honest. Being respectful to Chris and The Turn doesn't detract from the reunion. Fans aren't going to say "oh well then, I don't need to bother with Ed's return since CT says he likes what they did with Chris."

They can be respectful to Chris and what they made together with The Turn, without detracting from and still being focused on the new chapter with Ed. It's literally piss fucking easy.

This is my thinking as well, the vast majority of Live fans are only vaguely aware Chris Shinn was in the band, or that they had another album. If you're going to acknowledge it happened, what possible reason is there to be anything other than diplomatic publically? Except to placate somebody who doesn't want anything nice said about it.

I simply don't believe Chad is down on that album, it's brilliant, he knew that at the time, I doubt he just forgot or changed his mind. If he did, then he has shitty taste in his own music, which is troubling.

[alexou]

This is my thinking as well, the vast majority of Live fans are only vaguely aware Chris Shinn was in the band, or that they had another album. If you're going to acknowledge it happened, what possible reason is there to be anything other than diplomatic publically? Except to placate somebody who doesn't want anything nice said about it.

I simply don't believe Chad is down on that album, it's brilliant, he knew that at the time, I doubt he just forgot or changed his mind. If he did, then he has shitty taste in his own music, which is troubling.

There is a HUGE differece between a line like: "We had a nice run with Chris and we liked our album with him" and " who's that fu....g person standing in front of my own band? If at least they were still an important band, maybe they would need these BS lines to try to stay above water, but in the context of becoming what could be a total nostalgia act, I don't understand these lies and PR attempts to win back old fans. V already did the job for letting people running from the band, now just go in the studio and create music on par with TGF and The turn.

[Holy Slime]

This is my thinking as well, the vast majority of Live fans are only vaguely aware Chris Shinn was in the band, or that they had another album. If you're going to acknowledge it happened, what possible reason is there to be anything other than diplomatic publically? Except to placate somebody who doesn't want anything nice said about it.

I simply don't believe Chad is down on that album, it's brilliant, he knew that at the time, I doubt he just forgot or changed his mind. If he did, then he has shitty taste in his own music, which is troubling.

I think CT is simply embarrassed by the Shinn Era. Regardless of how he feels about the actual music, the simple fact is that they alienated the majority of their fanbase to make an album which barely sold any copies, and to play shows in a bunch of half-empty venues, add on top of that CS frequently forgetting lyrics and I think the whole era ended up just being an embarrassment for CT, and I think he's trying to over-compensate by burying it and trashing it.

I don't think he's trying to placate Ed, who hasn't said a single negative thing about the era since the reunion, or the fanbase, who just seem happy they are back together. I think he's trying to placate himself.

This post has been edited by Holy Slime: Feb 1 2017, 12:02 pm

[Bremang]

what possible reason is there to be anything other than diplomatic publically?

have you ever seen the Jerry Springer show?