The '1998-era' Options

[san_sao]

Actual album in no particular order

Don't Wait
Change
Deeper
New City
Overcome
Deep Enough
Simple Creed
Transmit your love
Forever May Not Be Long Enough
People Like You
Flow
Hero of Love
Nobody Knows
Radiant Sea

I think I'd swap Transmit for OK, Hero for Deep Enough, and Radiant Sea for Still Aroused.

[Orion0767]

I think if the marketing was done right V could have been a huge success. Consider this.......

Deep Enough first single and is marketed with Fast and Furious
Forever May Not Be Long Enough second single and marketed with The Mummy Returns

All this before the album even drops!
Then release the album in July when they first released several clips of the upcoming album. Anyone remember this?

Third single to promote album release Simple Creed. Would have have been a great summer song.

Then due to tragic circumstances we would have gotten Ovecome next. LIVE would have been all over the radio in 2001!

Actual album in no particular order

Don't Wait
Change
Deeper
New City
Overcome
Deep Enough
Simple Creed
Transmit your love
Forever May Not Be Long Enough
People Like You
Flow
Hero of Love
Nobody Knows
Radiant Sea

This !!! I have no idea who handled the marketing for the band at this time and around the time of V, BOP and SFBM but in my opinion, once we hit the V era the band was never promoted to their full potential and it is something that I have never, ever understood. Nothing like the things mentioned here were done and just think about when Live appeared with Chris Daughtry on American Idol. I mean, how many people saw that ? And nothing came of it. Millions of people .... Then just a few years later, Live as we knew it - done. I just think there were some major opportunities lost and it seemed to happen more than what it should have ( or at least I think so ). Granted, the music industry changed in a major way right around this time but there are a lot of bands from this era who just faded away simply because they really weren't that talented also. Seeing Live live several times throughout the years and following the band for as long as I have, I happen to think that these four guys are extremely talented. So I am right there with you. I know it doesn't matter now and I am no marketing guru but I wish some things had been done differently for them.

[Merica]

Yeah I know when I wrote this I found it a bit weird, but I still think it misses something. It is a good rock song, but not one I would replace everything in TDTH to put in. Maybe I son't like the bridge or it misses some guitar work.

I dunno man. I really love it. Maybe one day we'll get a properly polished version.

I will save you all some time. Jimmy is not going to release anything.

You mean not without proper clearance from CCP, right? i.e. He won't go rogue.

[andymbj]

I dunno man. I really love it. Maybe one day we'll get a properly polished version.

I really hope we do. I love Ed's vocals at the end. Completely badass.

[Merica]

I really hope we do. I love Ed's vocals at the end. Completely badass.

I think Chadwick von Taylor agrees:

In the studio this album in particular felt totally different than its finished product. The band was pushing hard for songs like Change, Don’t Wait (I have a CBGB’s demo that features one of Ed greatest vocal performances), Still Aroused and New City. The guitars once again shined on these tracks and the tempos were upbeat. It was a return, I thought to the feel of Copper.

[Hoodstock]

I feel they could have taken many of the outtakes from TDTH and made a great album for V instead of what ended up on V. It kind of would have made V really TDTH 2 but it was still the same era so it would have worked. Instead V was really the beginning of the end for LIVE. Having said that I still followed every thing they did all through those years and have done great memories from that time period.

It's was my understanding that V was originally supposed to be just a free release for fans from the band. It got shot down by the record company, renamed from Ecstatic Fanatic to V, and then sold as an album. Then they had to support with a tour.

Perhaps, if it was just given away as intended, they wouldn't have had to support it for so long (or at all) and some of those other songs may have made an official album.

[throwing_cheetahs]

It's was my understanding that V was originally supposed to be just a free release for fans from the band. It got shot down by the record company, renamed from Ecstatic Fanatic to V, and then sold as an album. Then they had to support with a tour.

Perhaps, if it was just given away as intended, they wouldn't have had to support it for so long (or at all) and some of those other songs may have made an official album.

It was released as an official album because it was really good.

This post has been edited by throwing_cheetahs: Jan 13 2017, 5:16 pm

[mfitz804]

It was released as an official album because it was really good.

I agree with this. It's totally weird but I really enjoyed it.

[TheBeacon]

It's was my understanding that V was originally supposed to be just a free release for fans from the band. It got shot down by the record company, renamed from Ecstatic Fanatic to V, and then sold as an album. Then they had to support with a tour.

Perhaps, if it was just given away as intended, they wouldn't have had to support it for so long (or at all) and some of those other songs may have made an official album.

I believe that this was the conception of V and then it turned into a full album.

[fandelive]

I can remember a woman named Susan.

She used to collect bootlegs and the Bottle & Cork, Dewey Beach, DE, USA show (June 17, 1998) was on her list. No setlist thought but New City and Change might have been played that night...

I offered her to set up a trade but never got the tape.

It was more than 10 years ago. Maybe 15 years. Can't remember exactly.

If anyone wants to contact her about sharing that recording to the whole community, just PM me to get her e-mail.

This post has been edited by fandelive: Jan 14 2017, 9:58 am

[fandelive]

If anyone wants to contact her about sharing that recording to the whole community, just PM me to get her e-mail.

Well, I'm sure she doesn't want to get 50 e-mails asking for the same tape. Maybe you should name one person to do that. It must be someone with the abilities to transfer an analog tape.

[Hoodstock]

It was released as an official album because it was really good.

LOL!

Regardless, that wasn't the intent of the band. That was the decision made by their record company.

[vivapokey]

LOL!

Regardless, that wasn't the intent of the band. That was the decision made by their record company.

Did we ever get any confirmation/denial by anyone outside the band or band's inner circle that this was the case? We have heard it from the band but we now know to take anything the band says (or doesn't say) with a grain of salt. How much of it could be saving face? "Oh yeah it um, it was just meant as a throwaway album *ahem*" I mean you'd like to think that really is the case as we have believed all along but who knows.

[mfitz804]

Did we ever get any confirmation/denial by anyone outside the band or band's inner circle that this was the case? We have heard it from the band but we now know to take anything the band says (or doesn't say) with a grain of salt. How much of it could be saving face? "Oh yeah it um, it was just meant as a throwaway album *ahem*" I mean you'd like to think that really is the case as we have believed all along but who knows.

Never made sense to me because they were signed to a label at the time. The label invested their money for studio time and production for an album that was "never supposed to be released"? Seems extremely unlikely. Far much more likely that they didn't like how it came out and they hoped it wouldn't be released, but the label, having spent a ton of money, had different thoughts.

[Hoodstock]

Did we ever get any confirmation/denial by anyone outside the band or band's inner circle that this was the case?

Don't know. That's just the story I remember hearing about the album.