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[Tips]

Then why do you continue to preach to me your opinion that Ed's music didn't suck while questioning my opinion that it did? Thats being a hypocrite. Then on top of it you pull a Nick and start bringing up sales, blah, blah, blah.

I did what now? I questionned something? Or did I just say that no music sucks per se?

And again who the bloody hell is Nick?

As far as sales, I was trying to understand your definition of success and failure. If you believe they failed because you don't like the music, that's giving yourself waaaaaay too much importance.

This post has been edited by Tips: Dec 15 2016, 12:48 pm

[Bremang]

The Turn will be back someday

[Bremang]

One day Live may try to sell their "complete" history

[World Dreamer]

To me The Turn was unlistenable. So arguably is correct.

What you failed to say is The Turn was unlistenable to you before it even came out.

After your "Shinn sucks in concert but I've never seen him in concert." debacle, I'd bet you have probably never listened to The Turn.

This post has been edited by World Dreamer: Dec 15 2016, 1:40 pm

[mfitz804]

Honestly, its ridiculous to expect the band to continue promoting The Turn after reuniting with Ed. Why the hell would they do that? The whole "it happened, its part of their history" argument doesn't really fly.

You promote going forward, not going backwards.

[World Dreamer]

Honestly, its ridiculous to expect the band to continue promoting The Turn after reuniting with Ed. Why the hell would they do that? The whole "it happened, its part of their history" argument doesn't really fly.

You promote going forward, not going backwards.

We aren't talking about promotion at all. The Turn era is over, no question. They need to focus on moving forward.

We are talking about them completely removing it from Live history and the lack of respect and appreciation that shows not just to Shinn but to those fans who carried the torch during that era.

[jayda]

Maybe people will sleep better knowing this is still "Alive" and well.

http://edkowalczyk.com/store/

Photocopied sheets of lyrics written out by Ed (he has crap handwriting, should have had one of his girls write it out for him) for $50?!

[jayda]

Ed's cds had a lot more success than the turn did. He sold out shows and did meet and greets and was loving what he was doing. To me,the turn was not good imo. Chris was never a part of live imo...he was merely a fill in so they could keep playing music. Nice guy, sung ok, not great. It's fine to like him and its fine to not like him....some of you need to accept that. Nick called this whole deal 2 years ago. He knew they were going to get back together and man oh man, I would love to be a fly on the wall in the Jimmy Lang gang when they found out. Haha. Not even they knew it was happening. Cause if they did, they would not have closed down their precious white discussion board. I would like to say thank you to Nick for sticking by his guns and having the faith. You rock nick. Noone wanted to believe you and you proved them wrong, I for one am glad I stuck with him and his opinions. I probably won't go to any shows as to I can't get out like I used to but am Def looking forward to a new cd that most likely will be awesome.

Nick, did you let your wife out again?
Jimmy who?
OTD is sure screaming from the ceiling about the back together LIVE. Never closed him down.

[Hoodstock]

And again who the bloody hell is Nick?

Sorry, this made me laugh. You're better off not even knowing, you'll enjoy the board more.

[Unsheathed]

Honestly, its ridiculous to expect the band to continue promoting The Turn after reuniting with Ed. Why the hell would they do that? The whole "it happened, its part of their history" argument doesn't really fly.

You promote going forward, not going backwards.

You're so right.

They should also remove MJ, TC, SS, TDTH, V, BOP, Awake, SFBM, RS, LATP. That shit don't fly. They should only sell and acknowledge upcoming albums, but nothing that's been released.

[La Mer]

Why so much talk about Chris? He is gone, to me Live was never Live with him, they shoud call that project for another name, I mean would Metallica be Metallica without James, or Guns be guns without Axl? I don't think so. I didn't like The Turn either, not Ed's solo stuff. They were lost without eachother. Instead of beeing happy they came together (That's what we all wanted, right?), we bullshiting eachother about staff that are in the past.

[Unsheathed]

Instead of being happy they came together (That's what we all wanted, right?)

This is probably the most accurate statement I've read thus far on these forums.

[mfitz804]

You're so right.

They should also remove MJ, TC, SS, TDTH, V, BOP, Awake, SFBM, RS, LATP. That shit don't fly. They should only sell and acknowledge upcoming albums, but nothing that's been released.

So instead, they should basically bring back Ed but still continue to sell the album with the guy who replaced him? How's Ed supposed to feel about that. It'd be like you were dating a girl, you broke up, you dated another girl, you dump the second girl to get back with the first girl, but you leave up a picture of the second girl. Good luck explaining to the first girl that its just up because its "part of your history".

They're focusing on reconnecting with Ed, and I totally understand the move.

To equate not selling The Turn at this moment with "erasing it from their history", that's a bit dramatic.

[Merica]

On Facebook The Thrill / Bill has said:

Album was removed on all digital platforms. No longer in iTunes or any other format. I believe the removal is the communication. Ed, Chad, Chad & Patrick are back. They will be better than ever!

As has been explained by World Dreamer, there's a difference between no longer promoting the album and trying to remove it and Shinn from Live's history. What the actual fuck is going on here?

After all that's been said and done, to now be erasing the whole fucking thing? Fuck off if you don't think we're owed and entitled to some kind of explanation about this. Seriously fuck off. This is just ridiculous. And they want us to just fall in line and believe they'll be BETTER THAN EVER with OMG ACTUALLY TOTALLY INNOCENT JUST FORGET ABOUT IT Ed? This is massively, obscenely insulting to the fans who supported them with Chris and The Turn.

I know they want to move forward with Ed and be just about the future and spiritual loving and togetherness and forgiveness and all that wank; fine. But there is absolutely no need to erase The Turn. After all that was said and done, the road they took their loyal fans down. And now this.

Fuck off.

This post has been edited by Merica: Dec 15 2016, 4:41 pm

[alexou]

So instead, they should basically bring back Ed but still continue to sell the album with the guy who replaced him? How's Ed supposed to feel about that. It'd be like you were dating a girl, you broke up, you dated another girl, you dump the second girl to get back with the first girl, but you leave up a picture of the second girl. Good luck explaining to the first girl that its just up because its "part of your history".

They're focusing on reconnecting with Ed, and I totally understand the move.

To equate not selling The Turn at this moment with "erasing it from their history", that's a bit dramatic.

CT saw the karaoke guitarists with Ed playing the Lakini's Juice riff with a terrible tone. This goes on the 2 sides too.

Again, we don't want the Turn to be promoted, but denying is symptomatic of something. It doesn't feel right.