Ed never stole from his bandmates, according to a source close to the band Options

[Merica]

You've written it in simple english; a few in the minority STILL just can't accept it or get over themselves. Keyboard warriors with the whole he said / she said mentality.

[....]

Like I said the other day, FORGIVENESS is not easy; but if a person/s forgives the other, then STOP questioning the sincerity. Grow up!

It says alot about the character of Ed, that throughout this whole saga, he remained publicly silent whilst people threw every but the kitchen sink at him.

[....]

The problem for this band, is that NO matter what happens in the past, present and future, people will still throw stones at them. Some just thrive on being negative and especially those who hide behind a username.

I think it's a wonderful way to end 2016 to have 4 childhood friends reunited again. People need to embrace it. Give these guys a chance; make 2017 a new beginning; come together as one.

From my perspective, the story doesn't really add up. There are questions, logic fails, 180 turns that leave credibility in doubt - lots of things that keep me wondering (and as a fan I am owed some explanation for). And no amount of "ughhh get over it!" from people who are happy to roll with it is gonna make me suddenly just forget about those things.

Also, not sure Ed was entirely publicly silent. For one thing he's been claiming credit for more than his fair share of the back catalog which is in itself very disrespectful.

I think when a band goes through a lead singer change like this one has, with the lawsuit saga on top, and then pulling a 180 on it... it's pretty unavoidable that some sections of the fan base are always gonna have gripes. And that's without mentioning the trend of music quality in relation to the changes.

I also think it's less that some of us thrive on negativity, more that were just not willing to let all these loose ends go just because some others are happy to flow with the tide. And the hiding behind the username thing, meh. I can't speak for all, but I say these kind of things on the FB group there and my name's slapped on every post so I'm not hiding.

Finally, I understand that fans in the same camp as you are frustrated that people like me aren't just "getting over it" and jumping on board with a smile so wide I'm tearing my own face to pieces, but seriously. Given all that's happened, said, done, music quality trends - I think being sceptical and stand offish about this reunion is an exceptionally reasonable stance. Not the only one a fan can take, for sure, but I'm not just being negative for the sake of it, and I don't need to just get over it or myself. Those are empty things to say.

[vivapokey]

Here we see the petty little man in his natural habitat. The kind of man who likes to kick others when they are down. The man who is best friends with a band that professes love and forgiveness. The man who threatens others. Let's watch and wait for the petty man's story to change again.

This post has been edited by vivapokey: Dec 11 2016, 3:46 am

[vivapokey]

From my perspective, the story doesn't really add up. There are questions, logic fails, 180 turns that leave credibility in doubt - lots of things that keep me wondering (and as a fan I am owed some explanation for). And no amount of "ughhh get over it!" from people who are happy to roll with it is gonna make me suddenly just forget about those things.

Also, not sure Ed was entirely publicly silent. For one thing he's been claiming credit for more than his fair share of the back catalog which is in itself very disrespectful.

It's pretty incredible. They were more than happy to air dirty laundry in detail in public back when that was "100% truth", now that there is a new "100% truth" it is a guarded top secret that people can't know the details of haha. Sounds pretty legit to me.

There's almost a Trumpesqueness to it all. Before the election it was "its rigged its bad it needs investigating blah blah" then he wins and "no no, no details, it's all fine now, nothing to see here!" Live got what they wanted again so it's "nope, nothing to see here". Reeks of hiding the truth.

Also no way was Ed quiet. Remember when he was crowing about how his solo band was the best group of musicians he has ever played with and CCP were "those individuals" and how any time he talked about TC or TC songs they were "my songs' and "my album". Then calling Live a karaoke band, something CCP and Bill and co. were FURIOUS about at the time. These are all things completely unrelated to whether Ed is a thief or not. And even if he wasn't, these things still all stand. I wonder what the 100% truth is now? "Oh at the time I thought I didn't like Ed's music and band and treatment of Live, but now i realised I was wrong".

This post has been edited by vivapokey: Dec 11 2016, 7:04 am

[Fool_By_The_River]

I almost hope it's announcing their retirement from the music industry, so they can retain what dignity they have left, maybe with SOME explanation of what happened with Ed, and move on with their lives OUT of the public's eye so they DON'T have to answer to us.

You will be sorely disappointed.

[Fool_By_The_River]

It was very easy to see what CCP missed and why the 4 of them works so well as a unit. Just be prepared.... they are going to floor everyone.

I don't doubt it one bit, can't wait.

[gerrycan70]

It's pretty incredible. They were more than happy to air dirty laundry in detail in public back when that was "100% truth", now that there is a new "100% truth" it is a guarded top secret that people can't know the details of haha. Sounds pretty legit to me.

There's almost a Trumpesqueness to it all. Before the election it was "its rigged its bad it needs investigating blah blah" then he wins and "no no, not details, it's all fine now, nothing to see here!" Live got what they wanted again so it's "nope, nothing to see here". Reeks of hiding the truth haha.

Also no way was Ed quite. Remember when he was crowing about how his solo band was the best group of musicians he has ever played with and CCP were "those individuals" and how any time he talked about TC or TC songs they were "my songs' and "my album". Then calling Live a karaoke band, something CCP and Bill and co. were FURIOUS about at the time. These are all things completely unrelated to whether Ed is a thief or not. And even if he wasn't, these things still all stand. I wonder what the 100% truth is now? "Oh at the time I thought I didn't like Ed's music and band and treatment of Live, but now i realised I was wrong".

Look I admit that the whole 360 about face is like no other I can recall in a band. GNR is probably the closest example and it took how many decades for them to get back on stage. Personally I don't think Axel and Slash are full on best buddy buddy's; but I'm happy for them as a band to be back on stage playing together. Happy for their fan base. Look at Van Halen DLR was gone for ages, then comes back out of the blue to reunite with them. So it can happen.

I can appreciate people wanting to be still skeptical, but being skeptical is a choice you make. People also have the choice to put aside being skeptical if they so chose. Glass half full or is the glass half empty, it doesn't matter there's still half a drink left.

As you know when friends (esp boyfriend / girlfrind) have a serious falling out they often say some nasty things about the other. That in the good times, they would never have forseen that the future of their friendship / relationship goes pair shape. That falling out can last for years and in most cases never repair itself.

I had a falling out with a close friend in 2003, we'd been great friends for nearly a decade prior. I called them / they called me every name under the sun at the time for a period of 6 months of the falling out. I was so angry because I knew I was in the right in accusing them what they'd done. We never spoke a word to each other again until 6 years later, we chance a chance meeting (was super nervous being in the same room). From that day forward to now in 2016, we're great friends again. We just put it all behind us, hugged each other sat down and said sorry to each other. Our friendship is stronger today than it was before the falling out.

So what I'm saying is band members and people connected close to Live have said some nasty things to each other over the last 7 years. But it's their years of friendship prior to things going pear shape, that can reunite them and ultimately make them stronger. I feel this is what has happened with band,; those closely connected to them and management have seen the light. That they're willing to forgive each other, no matter what was said, actions taken for the sake of restoring their friendship prior to 2009..

For those who want to be a doubting thomas, all I say is look, give these 4 guys a chance.

[vivapokey]

a doubting thomas, all I say is look, give these 4 guys a chance.

fucking lol

These 4 guys got given chance after chance after chance and they kept letting us down. I think plenty of people here, myself included ARE giving them a chance, although we are skeptical. We are at least giving the music side of things a chance. As for the behind the scenes stuff .. that's a different story. And here's the thing, it isn't going to interest anyone .. and if it doesn't interest you then I suspect a thread titled "Ed never stole from his bandmates" probably isn't the thread for you. Just as if the final chance I give Live's music turns out to be a turd, then the band as a whole isn't right for me.

[Liveoneut]

You will be sorely disappointed.

God I hope you're right!

[Voodoo Lady]

Look I admit that the whole 360 about face is like no other I can recall in a band. GNR is probably the closest example and it took how many decades for them to get back on stage. Personally I don't think Axel and Slash are full on best buddy buddy's; but I'm happy for them as a band to be back on stage playing together. Happy for their fan base. Look at Van Halen DLR was gone for ages, then comes back out of the blue to reunite with them. So it can happen.

For those who want to be a doubting thomas, all I say is look, give these 4 guys a chance.

I truly feel that Live have gotten their friendships back to where they once were.
And I've said this here before, even if they haven't, they could still make great music together and tour & when they are stage and together for interviews, fans wouldn't be the wiser. gerrycan mentions Axl and Slash... I don't buy that they mended fences either. But what's the big deal if they haven't? Take Mötley Crüe for example. In the early 90's, Vince claimed he was fired & the rest of the guys claim he left on his own. It was over something dumb like him being late to rehearsals and giving his time to things on the side like race cars. Anyway, they made an album in 94 with a replacement singer, John Corabi. Most Mötley fans hated it; just like Live, there was the pocket of fans that loved it because it was the heaviest stuff they had done in a long time & the new guy should stay in the band forever. Fans were fighting; the parallels are strikingly similar. Anyway,
Vince came back & they were NEVER bros again like they once were and it was no secret. Vince & Tommy couldn't get along, they bashed each other in their books, etc. In the early 2000's they went on a hiatus. Fans started clamoring for them to get back together--they even aired their "sit down and let's talk about it meeting" on VH1. What came after that, was one of the best periods of music and tours from them I had EVER seen. Oh my God, the 2005 Carnival of Sins shows to this day, tops any live performance I've seen from any band. Later, here comes Saints of Los Angeles, a
great album, better than anything they had done since 1989. All the while still not close as they were. They took separate buses, airplanes, etc. They weren't going to each other's houses for BBQ's, they just kept it professional.

If we are wrong and Live really hasn't honestly buried the hatchet, why can't they follow suit?
Who says they can't put out balls to the wall music and have an awesome tour? They COULD. They are professional musicians.

P.S. I half expect Sammy to return to VH one day now because he recently, after David Bowie's
death, said life is too short and openly apologized/reached out to Eddie and Alex. Genuine forgiveness, after years of squabbling can and does happen. Each case is different. Let's see what happens in LIVE's case.

[The Thrill]

fucking lol

These 4 guys got given chance after chance after chance and they kept letting us down. I think plenty of people here, myself included ARE giving them a chance, although we are skeptical. We are at least giving the music side of things a chance. As for the behind the scenes stuff .. that's a different story. And here's the thing, it isn't going to interest anyone .. and if it doesn't interest you then I suspect a thread titled "Ed never stole from his bandmates" probably isn't the thread for you. Just as if the final chance I give Live's music turns out to be a turd, then the band as a whole isn't right for me.

Then move on and go away. Your loss, It's that simple. Go find another band to like. You and world dreamer are looking for it to "add up". It doesn't need to add up to you. It just needs to add up to the guys. And yes. Their friendship is stronger than ever. This isn't something that happened yesterday. Been well over a year in the making and they wanted to make sure the friendship was healed before anything musically could even be engaged. They repaired this over a long time. So, if you think this is about money. They don't need the money, the 4 of them have plenty. They are doing this because the 4 of them created something special and they want it to go on.
Spare me the "we are their number one fans. We deserve answers for supporting them over the years." You know how many "fans" killed the music industry for bands all
Over?? Almost everyone of them. Ripping music, sharing bootlegs, selling unauthorized merch (although whoever made the Līve woman's panties was genius). Think about this. When you buy a book you have to buy the whole damn book. However, now you get to just buy one song and not the whole album. The artists make an allbum as a body of work. It wasn't meant to be fractured apart and all the people who supported that kind of crap is at fault. Maybe all the band in the world should demand an explaination as to why "fans" did that to them? But they don't demand answers. They just continue to play. Nobody is perfect, and nobody is guaranteed anything in life.

[gerrycan70]

I truly feel that Live have gotten their friendships back to where they once were.
And I've said this here before, even if they haven't, they could still make great music together and tour & when they are stage and together for interviews, fans wouldn't be the wiser. gerrycan mentions Axl and Slash... I don't buy that they mended fences either. But what's the big deal if they haven't? Take Mötley Crüe for example. In the early 90's, Vince claimed he was fired & the rest of the guys claim he left on his own. It was over something dumb like him being late to rehearsals and giving his time to things on the side like race cars. Anyway, they made an album in 94 with a replacement singer, John Corabi. Most Mötley fans hated it; just like Live, there was the pocket of fans that loved it because it was the heaviest stuff they had done in a long time & the new guy should stay in the band forever. Fans were fighting; the parallels are strikingly similar. Anyway,
Vince came back & they were NEVER bros again like they once were and it was no secret. Vince & Tommy couldn't get along, they bashed each other in their books, etc. In the early 2000's they went on a hiatus. Fans started clamoring for them to get back together--they even aired their "sit down and let's talk about it meeting" on VH1. What came after that, was one of the best periods of music and tours from them I had EVER seen. Oh my God, the 2005 Carnival of Sins shows to this day, tops any live performance I've seen from any band. Later, here comes Saints of Los Angeles, a
great album, better than anything they had done since 1989. All the while still not close as they were. They took separate buses, airplanes, etc. They weren't going to each other's houses for BBQ's, they just kept it professional.

If we are wrong and Live really hasn't honestly buried the hatchet, why can't they follow suit?
Who says they can't put out balls to the wall music and have an awesome tour? They COULD. They are professional musicians.

P.S. I half expect Sammy to return to VH one day now because he recently, after David Bowie's
death, said life is too short and openly apologized/reached out to Eddie and Alex. Genuine forgiveness, after years of squabbling can and does happen. Each case is different. Let's see what happens in LIVE's case.

Thanks for the insight into the history of Motley Crew, I don't listen to them but was aware some band members didn't get along. Speaking of Vince, 2 years ago at Brisbane Airport I was waiting to get autographs of bands playing Soundwave Festival. Who should randomly step out of the arrivals hall, Vince!

Of course Live are pro musicians and there's no reason why they can't follow suit if the bridges aren't genuinely mended. I'm very optomistic that they're on good terms again.

[Fool_By_The_River]

their spokesperson/friend/business partner is on their only fan board losing them fans

Some of you are so dramatic.

[Fool_By_The_River]

Yea, too bad the ignore feature is part bullshit because of quotes within replies or "oops, forgot to log-in first!," huh?

The ignore feature is helpful though, i've got my ignore list right where i want it now.

[The Thrill]

The ignore feature is helpful though, i've got my ignore list right where i want it now.

There's an ignore feature??? Why didn't I know of this. I am ignoring some people!!! Don't need their negative BS. Some good shit is happening and they are like bah humbug

[Voodoo Lady]

There's an ignore feature??? Why didn't I know of this. I am ignoring some people!!! Don't need their negative BS. Some good shit is happening and they are like bah humbug

Yeah, as I've read this thread over the past couple of days, this face has been in my head a lot.


I can't wait until tomorrow. I just don't get how anyone can be grinchy about it.