Ed never stole from his bandmates, according to a source close to the band Options

[The Thrill]

No, we don't know that. I mean they may have, I hope they haven't. He's not really a good representative, even some of his own UFD peeps didn't want him on board. But regardless of if they did or didn't, it's foolish to not think with his level of involvement with everything that his words don't carry great weight. They're not the words of CCP from a different mouth (although they could be) but they're close by and CCP I imagine aren't stepping in to stop him.

Wrong again. Nobody in UFD didn't want me there. It was an outside group that wanted to buy the company.

[The Thrill]

Just for fun here is an article about how The Thrill runs a business.

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/201...llion/89540210/

Good try, I wasn't running UFD at that point. I took over after that happened.

[Liveoneut]

I said things I regret and I apologize to everyone for that.

Thank you

[Bremang]

"Pfft! Yea right, there's NO WAY the band cares or has time to read and worry about what is said on this old-school message board. Especially to say, "Oh my God, things are really getting out of hand over there at Fans of Live! We need to send Bill in there to diffuse the situation!" Really?!

I think Kevin Martin came here and said that things were getting out of hand while TGF were coming out with an album. Adam Taylor has gotten into it here too, right? Has Chad been here too?

This post has been edited by Bremang: Dec 10 2016, 3:25 pm

[Hoodstock]

I think Kevin Martin came here and said that things were getting out of hand while TGF were coming out with an album. Adam Taylor has gotten into it here too, right? Has Chad been here too?

Kevin did respond to one of my comments a while back.

[Bremang]

Just be prepared.... they are going to floor everyone.

That sounds like new music or shows. Thanks for the heads up

[Voodoo Lady]

I think Kevin Martin came here and said that things were getting out of hand while TGF were coming out with an album. Adam Taylor has gotten into it here too, right? Has Chad been here too?

Just what I feared, but am still hopefully doubting they are too busy to see this one.

[Bremang]

Just what I feared, but am still hopefully doubting they are too busy to see this one.

He basically started bashing Nick too. Where's is he now to apologize?

[Merica]

Having seen Ed WORK up close and personally. This fucking guy is a PRO. He truly knows his craft and there really is no comparison. It was very easy to see what CCP missed and why the 4 of them works so well as a unit. Just be prepared.... they are going to floor everyone.

Hmmm, yeah, dunno. What have they missed exactly? Since they split with Ed they've dropped two fantastic albums that better Live's 00s output and anything Ed has done solo. So who cares if Ed is a 'pro' in the sense of knowing his way around a studio.

So... you know. I won't believe it till I hear it. And if I do I'll be happy to admit it's good and enjoy it. But until then the evidence and reasonable guesswork all points to an album of good music largely let down by Ed who hasn't done anything good enough for a long time.

[World Dreamer]

Hmmm, yeah, dunno. What have they missed exactly? Since they split with Ed they've dropped two fantastic albums that better Live's 00s output and anything Ed has done solo. So who cares if Ed is a 'pro' in the sense of knowing his way around a studio.

So... you know. I won't believe it till I hear it. And if I do I'll be happy to admit it's good and enjoy it. But until then the evidence and reasonable guesswork all points to an album of good music largely let down by Ed who hasn't done anything good enough for a long time.

You shit bag.

[World Dreamer]

I wasn't sent here by anyone. I do not represent the. And at all. And everyone who is complaining should hold their horses. You have NO clue how the band is going to address everything. They have yet to make a statement regarding that. I'm
Inclined to think that they would and everything will make sense.
I will say this again ED has not ever taken a penny from the guys. However, that doesn't mean someone didn't. It's only natural to have emotion if you THINK someone did something to harm you.
People in this world get framed all the time.

Bottom line, when everyone found out the truth, everyone apologizes and decided to move on. First as friends. It's been a long time coming.
I said things I regret and I apologize to everyone for that. However at the time I was under a certain impression. The last thing your going to do is give props to someone. When I found out the truth, there probably wasn't a happier person for CCP, because I know how they all missed each other. For those selfish people who didn't want Ed back. Get a life. That man is responsible for Live along with CCP. It's their body of work. I' also said those things about him when I didn't even know him. My fault again.

Okay. I will say this one more time for the cheap seats.

Let's say you actually are telling the truth. You and CCP had this sudden realization and it was all a misunderstanding.

Well, us fans don't have that new information. We are still on the outside. That is 100% why we are skeptical and questioning you.

So someone just man up and lay it all out and if it is what you say it is then I bet you will have a lot of skeptical people say "Oh, ok. That makes sense. Let's give Ed a shot."

Instead us skeptical fans have been met with hostility.

In short, what is this "truth" you speak of?

You want us to jump on board with Ed but we have to first forgive him. How can we do that if all we know is what we were told by CCP, you, OTD and a slew of others that are much closer to the band than we ever will be.

Also, you can be mad I posted that article but shit, you didn't have to rep me down for it.

[World Dreamer]

Good try, I wasn't running UFD at that point. I took over after that happened.

Well at least I tried. Go hard or go home, I always say.

[Possum Kingdom]

I wasn't sent here by anyone. I do not represent the. And at all. And everyone who is complaining should hold their horses. You have NO clue how the band is going to address everything. They have yet to make a statement regarding that. I'm
Inclined to think that they would and everything will make sense.
I will say this again ED has not ever taken a penny from the guys. However, that doesn't mean someone didn't. It's only natural to have emotion if you THINK someone did something to harm you.
People in this world get framed all the time.

Bottom line, when everyone found out the truth, everyone apologizes and decided to move on. First as friends. It's been a long time coming.
I said things I regret and I apologize to everyone for that. However at the time I was under a certain impression. The last thing your going to do is give props to someone. When I found out the truth, there probably wasn't a happier person for CCP, because I know how they all missed each other. For those selfish people who didn't want Ed back. Get a life. That man is responsible for Live along with CCP. It's their body of work. I' also said those things about him when I didn't even know him. My fault again. I have gotten to know him and I have also know Chris. This is not a knock on Chris at all.
Having seen Ed WORK up close and personally. This fucking guy is a PRO. He truly knows his craft and there really is no comparison. It was very easy to see what CCP missed and why the 4 of them works so well as a unit. Just be prepared.... they are going to floor everyone.

Fair enough. I'll sit back and wait until they give their side of the story.

It's all about the music after all.

"It was very easy to see what CCP missed and why the 4 of them works so well as a unit."

They have not worked as a unit since SS so if they figured something out after 20 years then I'm all for it. I'm not holding my breath.

[gerrycan70]

I wasn't sent here by anyone. I do not represent the. And at all. And everyone who is complaining should hold their horses. You have NO clue how the band is going to address everything. They have yet to make a statement regarding that. I'm
Inclined to think that they would and everything will make sense.
I will say this again ED has not ever taken a penny from the guys. However, that doesn't mean someone didn't. It's only natural to have emotion if you THINK someone did something to harm you.
People in this world get framed all the time.

Bottom line, when everyone found out the truth, everyone apologizes and decided to move on. First as friends. It's been a long time coming.
I said things I regret and I apologize to everyone for that. However at the time I was under a certain impression. The last thing your going to do is give props to someone. When I found out the truth, there probably wasn't a happier person for CCP, because I know how they all missed each other. For those selfish people who didn't want Ed back. Get a life. That man is responsible for Live along with CCP. It's their body of work. I' also said those things about him when I didn't even know him. My fault again. I have gotten to know him and I have also know Chris. This is not a knock on Chris at all.
Having seen Ed WORK up close and personally. This fucking guy is a PRO. He truly knows his craft and there really is no comparison. It was very easy to see what CCP missed and why the 4 of them works so well as a unit. Just be prepared.... they are going to floor everyone.

Looking at this objectively, I don't know how much more clearer you need to be Bill; it's as plain as day.

You've written it in simple english; a few in the minority STILL just can't accept it or get over themselves. Keyboard warriors with the whole he said / she said mentality.

1) You admitted you said things (some even had to quote you) in the past that you NOW regret saying.
2) You've appoligized to those people namely and most importantly Ed.

***************************************************************************

Like I said the other day, FORGIVENESS is not easy; but if a person/s forgives the other, then STOP questioning the sincerity. Grow up!

It says alot about the character of Ed, that throughout this whole saga, he remained publicly silent whilst people threw every but the kitchen sink at him.

It says a lot about the character of CT who has been able to bury the hatchet with his childhood friend. That Ed has been able to forgive CT especially, shows tremendous maturity and compassion. The universe needs to show more compassion to each other.

The problem for this band, is that NO matter what happens in the past, present and future, people will still throw stones at them. Some just thrive on being negative and especially those who hide behind a username.

I think it's a wonderful way to end 2016 to have 4 childhood friends reunited again. People need to embrace it. Give these guys a chance; make 2017 a new beginning; come together as one.

For the record I don't know Bill personally; but I know Ed and CT personally. I've never taken sides, simply because I've never known the facts and honestly I don't want to know the facts over the last 7 years.

Peace!

Gerry

[vivapokey]

Ahh I see, so they are going to scapegoat someone else as the bad guy with the whole Ed thing. Someone forged Ed's signature! Just like scapegoating Chris. Yep, I see how Live operate! Love how we are all skimpy on the details now but we sure weren't for 6 years when all of the details were "FACT". As for the UFD stuff, which of course isn't the point here, but has a side cameo as character affirming. Just like if Ed was innocent why did he duck out and avoid the guys so much, just as if you were none of those things the article asserts, why would you not engage with them and clear it up. So much shadiness all round. No wonder you and Ed are getting along now! But you know, as far as this Monday announcement goes - I'd hope there is also an apology in there from Live to their fans for leading them all down the garden path and feeding them all bad information for years. I'd have thought Bill himself would have apologied to everyone here for all the bad info he so confidently and smugly delivered as FACT. Says he apologised to the only people who matter, so, fans at large don't matter. It must be a humiliating apology anyways though, having to apologise for something which isn't even true just for the greater good of the company/brand.

And the thieving aside. I've said it before here, Ed is a pro in terms of work ethic. It's what Live did need since CCP are very lazy. They do need that driving force. But Ed being a pro doesn't mean Ed is good. Bill himself spent years shitting on how bad Ed's music was both in Live with SFBM and solo. Even IF he is suddenly not a thief, that should have no bearing on whether his music was good or not. Bill, what do you say about the song parasite? That has nothing to do with thieving, that's accusing CCP of leeching off of him. so much retroactive reorganising of history going on here. I look forward to 2022 when all of this FACT ends up being 180'ed again.

This post has been edited by vivapokey: Dec 10 2016, 8:55 pm