Ed never stole from his bandmates, according to a source close to the band Options

[vivapokey]

I'm moving on to this new chapter of LIVE. Clean slate, Monday will be the beginning of it and i hope you guys move on as well

The fans who are just like "just move on, clean slate, the past is the past!" remind me of a scene. I'm picturing a family. Mother, Father, 2 or 3 kids. They just find out that the Father has been having an affair and cheating on his wife for 3 years. All hell breaks loose, accusations start flying, suddenly the Mother's fidelity has been brought into question too, maybe the Father was actually falsely accused! Its a real mess. Then they call everyone to dinner and the Father declares "ok lets just move on, the past is the past!" and they all sit there with this huge, heavy uncomfortable air hanging thick around the table. How can they enjoy their dinner when all this shady shit is left unresolved?

[World Dreamer]

The fans who are just like "just move on, clean slate, the past is the past!" remind me of a scene. I'm picturing a family. Mother, Father, 2 or 3 kids. They just find out that the Father has been having an affair and cheating on his wife for 3 years. All hell breaks loose, accusations start flying, suddenly the Mother's fidelity has been brought into question too, maybe the Father was actually falsely accused! Its a real mess. Then they call everyone to dinner and the Father declares "ok lets just move on, the past is the past!" and they all sit there with this huge, heavy uncomfortable air hanging thick around the table. How can they enjoy their dinner when all this shady shit is left unresolved?

It reminds me of this picture...

[Fool_By_The_River]

The fans who are just like "just move on, clean slate, the past is the past!" remind me of a scene. I'm picturing a family. Mother, Father, 2 or 3 kids. They just find out that the Father has been having an affair and cheating on his wife for 3 years. All hell breaks loose, accusations start flying, suddenly the Mother's fidelity has been brought into question too, maybe the Father was actually falsely accused! Its a real mess. Then they call everyone to dinner and the Father declares "ok lets just move on, the past is the past!" and they all sit there with this huge, heavy uncomfortable air hanging thick around the table. How can they enjoy their dinner when all this shady shit is left unresolved?

OK, what do you want from the band to help you move on? I am curious, what do you want the band to tell you?

This post has been edited by Fool_By_The_River: Dec 8 2016, 11:36 pm

[World Dreamer]

OK, what do you want from the band to help you move on? I am curious, what do you want the band to tell you?

You haven't been reading any other threads, have you?

[vivapokey]

OK, what do you want from the band to help you move on? I am curious, what do you want the band to tell you?

The truth. Then you can decide for yourself whether you want to move on or jump off the ship.

You can say that Bill just gave us the truth .. but that was after 6 years of professing the exact opposite is the truth. So how exactly do you believe anything he says ... to me it doesn't feel like the truth. It feels like PR to try and help the relaunch go smoother.

What can they do .. I don't know ... sit Ed and CT down in front of the Faceculture guy and let him grill them and not get away with flimsy answers. If CCP and Ed are 100% in control of what statements or explanations they put out, then I don't think we will ever get the truth because how can you believe any of them anymore?
So maybe it takes an interviewer with balls to really hit them with proper hard questions for details and then let the way they handle that be a guide to whether fans believe them or not.

If they're too scared to do that, and they just want to be in total control of the information they release then they cannot, and it is completed unacceptable for them to expect fans to just blindly believe them now. A humble response such as "we're sorry you feel that way and are let down, bla blah blah" may be a nice touch. Instead its all guns blazing like "lol haha fuck you im Bill and Live lol fuck you shit bags!" I recall another long time fan (20+yrs) who simply said to them on facebook that she wasn't sure how to feel about Ed coming back, and they replied to her with "get over it". That's pathetic. They talk big about their love for fans and love and forgiveness but act like total dicks to their fans.
Think of all the fans they insulted and told to fuck off when the fans wanted Ed back ... "that thief isn't coming back!" now it turns out they were "wrong" and all those fans are just going to meekly fall back into line? Nup.

So, what can they do ... I don't know, but being completely in charge of their own responses and statements isn't it because you'll get nothing but bullshit. So maybe its got to be someone else putting it to them and not just rolling over and accepting their answers if something sounds off about it.
OR, maybe the music they make now will actually be SO good as to just be ok with that instead. I know that is a 1% chance for me, but you asked what they can do, that is a remote possibility I guess.

[World Dreamer]

Look, it isn't hard.

"Hey fans, it has been a while. A lot has changed. Time changes many things. We are different people now and we want to change directions.

Thank you for always being there. Going forward this is what we want to do and here is why (band lists a few reasons why). Thank you for your continued support."

Instead we got Captain Little Man Syndrome calling long time fans "shit bags" here and writing 5 paragraphs ranting on Facebook against 20+ year fans.

If Live wants to hire me I can craft an acceptable statement in about 2 minutes that would have bypassed all this trash.

DM me, fam.

[World Dreamer]

So maybe it takes an interviewer with balls to really hit them with proper hard questions for details and then let the way they handle that be a guide to whether fans believe them or not.

Shinn should interview them.

[World Dreamer]

Seriously...who is the "source"?

[World Dreamer]

Anyone? Bueller?

[World Dreamer]

"Chris Shinn was great and we really enjoyed our time with him and what he gave to Live. His contributions will always be part of the Live lore. Going forward, we will be reuniting with Ed as we have reconciled and are ready to begin making music again. Thank you to all the fans who have stood by us over the past years."

I can do this all day.

OR, we can go with the "shit bags" guy.

[Fool_By_The_River]

You haven't been reading any other threads, have you?

Yes i do read as much as i can. I try to avoid your posts about Wams avatar or your begging for rep points though.

[World Dreamer]

If Live came out and said "Look, thank you for all your support. Chris was awesome, we enjoyed our time with him, but at this point we want to go another direction." then I would be like "Okay, great."


Instead we got "WHAT I SAY GOES IM BILL FUCK YOU SHIT BAGS FUCK YUOU ALLL RAAAWR"

[World Dreamer]

Yes i do read as much as i can. I try to avoid your posts about Wams avatar or your begging for rep points though.

That is fine. But I urge you not to avoid Wams posts because his posts HAVE his avatar in them and oh my god give her to me.

[World Dreamer]

Just an observation...but this place was pretty chill and respectful (some jabs here and there but in good fun mostly) until General Shit Bag showed up.

Am I wrong?

[The Thrill]

Here you go. Here is your hero.



From the guy that preaches love and forgiveness in one post then shit like this in the other.

But yeah, Bill...please come back and share your insight!!!!

Hey, why don't you post the picture of what she said first ? How she immediately went on the attack. Why aren't we posting that ?? Let's make something clear. I am NOT a representative of any band. Every band that I know has booking agents, publicists, managers and lawyers. I'm a simply a friend, of all 4 of them. I'm entitled to my opinion as you are to your. Go read her post, if you don't think I'm going to defend myself your crazy. I have never done anything wrong to that lady and she was 100% invited to the event and then went ballistic. Go read it. I'll wait.