Ed never stole from his bandmates, according to a source close to the band Options

[mfitz804]

Sometimes I think this website's address should be www.16YearOldGirlFansofLive.com.

[Bremang]

Sometimes I think this website's address should be www.16YearOldGirlFansofLive.com.

ooo I would love that website

[World Dreamer]

ooo I would love that website

Delete that.

With the wrong context it is a super pervy response!

[Voodoo Lady]

I would like to hear from some of the more Ed leaning fans, Nick or Voodoo Lady...do you not see the shift here? Be honest, please. Or mattyeagles? Who else?

You are just going to love me for this (sarcasm!) because, sorry!... I can't help ya much with this. First, this shouldn't be a shocker; I've never been an "Ed leaning fan." I just did not hate on him like some of y'all. I never effin' cared that he supposedly asked for a lead singer bonus, etc. No, I did not like who he became musically from the album V on, didn't like his solo stuff, thought his coffee etc. was gimmicky... yada, yada. But I don't take it personally as some of you seem to. I've never kissed Ed's butt, CCP's butts, Chris Shinn's butt... There's not enough Chap Stick for that. As others here have eloquently stated today, what happened between ECCP years ago is none of my business

I was saddened when Live broke up, sure. It absolutely hurt my heart. I'd loved them since the BEGINNING. But I refused to take sides as to who's fault it was because I wasn't there, don't know them personally, and cliche as it may be, there are two sides to every story. Also, each person's perception is their reality.

The arguing going on about it in this thread is just beating a dead horse. It's silly. We should all be excited that Ed, Chad, Chad, and Pat have forgiven and have moved on. Y'all should too. Stop over
analyzing. It's just music. I love music as much as all of you. I'm realizing maybe more.

[Fool_By_The_River]

We should all be excited that Ed, Chad, Chad, and Pat have forgiven and have moved on. Y'all should too. Stop over
analyzing. It's just music. I love music as much as all of you. I'm realizing maybe more.

Exactly.

[World Dreamer]

You are just going to love me for this (sarcasm!) because, sorry!... I can't help ya much with this. First, this shouldn't be a shocker; I've never been an "Ed leaning fan." I just did not hate on him like some of y'all. I never effin' cared that he supposedly asked for a lead singer bonus, etc. No, I did not like who he became musically from the album V on, didn't like his solo stuff, thought his coffee etc. was gimmicky... yada, yada. But I don't take it personally as some of you seem to. I've never kissed Ed's butt, CCP's butts, Chris Shinn's butt... There's not enough Chap Stick for that. As others here have eloquently stated today, what happened between ECCP years ago is none of my business

I was saddened when Live broke up, sure. It absolutely hurt my heart. I'd loved them since the BEGINNING. But I refused to take sides as to who's fault it was because I wasn't there, don't know them personally, and cliche as it may be, there are two sides to every story. Also, each person's perception is their reality.

The arguing going on about it in this thread is just beating a dead horse. It's silly. We should all be excited that Ed, Chad, Chad, and Pat have forgiven and have moved on. Y'all should too. Stop over
analyzing. It's just music. I love music as much as all of you. I'm realizing maybe more.

No real issue with any of that, tbh. Only thing I would take exception too is that many won't be excited that CCP and Ed have forgiven each other because many just don't believe it.

[Fool_By_The_River]

Only thing I would take exception too is that many won't be excited that CCP and Ed have forgiven each other because many just don't believe it.

Instead of many, it's only a select few.

This post has been edited by Fool_By_The_River: Dec 8 2016, 10:25 pm

[mfitz804]

You are just going to love me for this (sarcasm!) because, sorry!... I can't help ya much with this. First, this shouldn't be a shocker; I've never been an "Ed leaning fan." I just did not hate on him like some of y'all. I never effin' cared that he supposedly asked for a lead singer bonus, etc. No, I did not like who he became musically from the album V on, didn't like his solo stuff, thought his coffee etc. was gimmicky... yada, yada. But I don't take it personally as some of you seem to. I've never kissed Ed's butt, CCP's butts, Chris Shinn's butt... There's not enough Chap Stick for that. As others here have eloquently stated today, what happened between ECCP years ago is none of my business

I was saddened when Live broke up, sure. It absolutely hurt my heart. I'd loved them since the BEGINNING. But I refused to take sides as to who's fault it was because I wasn't there, don't know them personally, and cliche as it may be, there are two sides to every story. Also, each person's perception is their reality.

The arguing going on about it in this thread is just beating a dead horse. It's silly. We should all be excited that Ed, Chad, Chad, and Pat have forgiven and have moved on. Y'all should too. Stop over
analyzing. It's just music. I love music as much as all of you. I'm realizing maybe more.

I don't agree with Voodoo Lady very often, but honestly, the personal/business disputes between the band members don't impact my enjoyment of the music at all. Or, the only impact they had was the breakup of the band. Whether not the fans get over it is irrelevant if the band is over it. It's actually kind of retarded that fans are so opinionated and offended by it whereas the band no longer cares.

[The Thrill]

This is gold. This is fun. "Chris", and all the accounts/profiles that go with him, for the past 7-8ish years (or more, I lose count) has been a front. I hate to upset some folks like Merica, Fish, OTD, Pokey etc...but none of you great folks know who I am!

Strike two William.

Hopefully your further attempts check out. I'd hate to bounce back and forth on pointless things like this while there is so much to look forward too!

Which is funny. You hide behind a name and the internet.
Makes everything you claim irrelevant in my eyes.

[The Thrill]

Bill is a loose canon and a horrible representative for Live. He recently went ballistic on a 20+ year fan of Live.

He is wreckless and an attack dog. His ego rivals only Ed's, and Bill has stated in the past that Ed's ego is out of control.

This is fun.

Once again you are not correct. This fan of 24 years as she likes to remind everyone is no more important than a person who became a fan yesterday. All fans are indeed equal and important to the band. However, this one in particular became unstable and anxious because she didn't think she was invited to the event. However, that wasn't the case. She was on the list, juts like she was on every other list for the past few years when there were other THF or Live shows. She has been invited to everything. I had no hard feelings in regards to her at all. So it was a total shock to me when she went on that tirade, because if anything she was treated amazingly by the band & I in the past.
If that's how an adult acts when she thinks she didn't get her way, thatsvone fans I don't think any band would want. You can't make people like that happy. I am however glad that mostt of the people can accept the apology and move on.

[vivapokey]

I can understand to some extent people just being like "I don't want to know about this stuff, I just want the music!" because the music is, at the end of the day, the most important thing .. despite what Nick will have you believe.
But to me, the music with artists you follow so closely for so long, is intrinsically linked to where it is coming from. If the origin of that music is shady, it makes it pretty difficult to properly enjoy the music. All I hear is dishonesty and dis-ingenuity when I hear Ed's voice. So, I think for people who may be similar then things like this are at the very least, interesting. It is a learned association. Those things are not simple to break. Pavlov didn't just immediately stop his dog salivating at the sound of a bell the instant he wanted the dog to stop. Something Bill seems to have trouble understanding, apparently, the instant he says jump everyone must ask "how high?"
That's why it was pretty blissful with Chris ... it was Live music without feeling ... weird about it. Now that Ed is back, its a hurdle to get over. You'd think those close to the band, their friends, representatives would be pretty understanding of 20+yr fans who are in that group.

Its why I am willing to give the new Live a chance. I am very, very doubtful about it, I don't know if I can hear anything other than a very bad sound when I hear Ed sing. If, against all odds I end up liking it, hey I'll be happy that's rad. If not then I definitely won't stick around. I know this is an extreme example and its far worse than anything Live has ever done, would do, or could do. But one of my favourite guitarists ever, imo, the greatest guitarist ever to live, ended up killing himself because he was about to be charged with child sex crimes. It is repulsive and as much as I loved his music I simply cannot listen to it anymore. With Live, creatively, artistically, whatever, there was a massive decline for so long after such a high ... and then you throw in all this shady stuff that has gone on for years with Ed who was also the focal point of the artistic decline ... it all wrapped up together can be a difficult pill to swallow when he's back and people are just like "hey lol he's cool now, accept it or fuck off". No, fuck you, these are personal journeys that every fan will go to. Some have already checked out, some have different levels of what is acceptable to them to either get back on board or not.
We aren't all the same ... asking people to stop caring about things, or to stop questioning or whatever just because you are in a different place is pretty narrow minded. To just meekly accept the word of those "above" I feel isn't really doing yourself much self-service or respect. We aren't sheep.
Maybe that is how we got into this in the first place, we followed CCP and people like Bill like sheep because they spent so long painting Ed as the villain. Maybe Bremang is right and we should have questioned everything more like we should now and continue to do.

And now its about wanting people to accept an apology (apparently only Ed got one of those) and move on. Just hush hush, under the covers. Its people not wanting to have to face the consequences or backlash that they spent years cultivating. You don't just get to wave a magic wand and have it your way. When people were trashing Ed, people like Bill were egging them on in the wings .. there was no "hey guys, come on, settle down" it was all fine then to ask questions and be cynical. Now that its not in your interests anymore its an embarrassed heads down "lets move on".

This post has been edited by vivapokey: Dec 8 2016, 10:42 pm

[World Dreamer]

Which is funny. You hide behind a name and the internet.
Makes everything you claim irrelevant in my eyes.

You don't think it wise?

I mean, I know who you are and I know much about you.

Up to this point you know nothing about me.

I mean, I could be typing from prison for all you know.

[World Dreamer]

Instead of many, it's only a select few.

Depends.

[Fool_By_The_River]

Hey Bill, i hope you keep posting here, as your insight is always welcome here. it's good to have someone in the know around. These guys giving you shit do not in any way speak for me.

This post has been edited by Fool_By_The_River: Dec 8 2016, 10:49 pm

[World Dreamer]

Once again you are not correct. This fan of 24 years as she likes to remind everyone is no more important than a person who became a fan yesterday. All fans are indeed equal and important to the band. However, this one in particular became unstable and anxious because she didn't think she was invited to the event. However, that wasn't the case. She was on the list, juts like she was on every other list for the past few years when there were other THF or Live shows. She has been invited to everything. I had no hard feelings in regards to her at all. So it was a total shock to me when she went on that tirade, because if anything she was treated amazingly by the band & I in the past.
If that's how an adult acts when she thinks she didn't get her way, thatsvone fans I don't think any band would want. You can't make people like that happy. I am however glad that mostt of the people can accept the apology and move on.

This is fun.

Please tell us, the fans, how you responded to this fan of 24 years.