What to expect from +Live+..., now that Ed is back Options

[lovemachine97]

The hope better be that it's for something more than just money. I have a bitter taste in my mouth having lived through the Stone Temple Pilots reunion (they are my favorite band). They admitted the whole thing, at least to begin with, was over money. As the story goes, Scott Weiland was sitting by a hotel pool while on tour with Velvet Revolver and Dean DeLeo called, asking, "How would you like to make $1 million dollars?" Scott said sure, VR was okay with it, but then his addiction brought down that band. Instead of working on that, he went directly into playing with STP again, and that was a ticking time bomb.

It's a cliche, but I argue that it's because it wasn't organic. Instead of actually dealing with things, the money was the catalyst, not the music, friendship, mending fences, etc. They treated the symptoms, not the disease, so to speak. Where they used to rent mansions to live in and record, Weiland recorded their last album separately from the rest of the band. By 2012-2013, they were suing each other, like Live. And now, of course, a reunion is impossible.

On the bright side, I would like to think that the band has actually buried the hatchet in a real way that wasn't driven by money. Humans have great capacity for forgiveness, so if everyone has really worked things out, put it behind them, and are looking forward for reasons other than getting paid (music, friendship, growing as people, working on personal issues), then I think we can look forward to what may come our way.

I saw Live twice, once in September 2002 at the San Diego Street Scene, and again in May 2009 at the Anaheim House of Blues. They were two different bands. The more about money this is, the closer they will resemble the band I saw in 2009. IMO, of course.

[throwing_cheetahs]

LOL - what a bad, awful post.

Following your example in another post of yours:

1. Please clearly explain why this is a bad post.
2. Please clearly identify what is awful about this post.

The analogy is spot on. I've read your posts since you've returned. Your unhappy with Ed. You like Shinn. Anyone hoping for something good needs to be corrected. All your posts are skewed in that direction. Your goal is to provide a negative vibe about a reunion. Very easy to see through.

When the time comes the music will speak for itself and everyone can decide for themselves

+1 Hoodie!

[World Dreamer]

Following your example in another post of yours:

1. Please clearly explain why this is a bad post.
2. Please clearly identify what is awful about this post.

The analogy is spot on. I've read your posts since you've returned. Your unhappy with Ed. You like Shinn. Anyone hoping for something good needs to be corrected. All your posts are skewed in that direction. Your goal is to provide a negative vibe about a reunion. Very easy to see through.

When the time comes the music will speak for itself and everyone can decide for themselves.

Sadly, when someone does actually give an explanation it gets the "why your posts so long?" response.

So I shortened it. But that doesn't work either!

I am not unhappy with Ed. I just don't have any confidence in him based on the last 20 years. Somehow, on this website, that is unreasonable. I have already posted that I hope it works out, just not going to bet on it.

Yes, I thought Shinn did a great job, which I know is an unpopular opinion here. It was the goal of many here to provide a negative vibe about Shinn AND CCP when they first joined up. The same posters that are all about a reunion were the very same ones that insulted CCP/Shinn day after day after day after day. Now, they just insult Shinn. Makes sense.

I hope you told those posters to let the music speak for itself back then.

[World Dreamer]

You're right. Shinn had a bigger impact so if you didn't like him and his impact your preference would probably be to keep Ralio over Shinn.

It's like Trump. He has a following and he has people who despise him. Now he is our leader. In Live / Shinn philosophy that now would mean that everyone MUST love him because he leads the band .... I mean country.

Shinn fans remind me in a way of Trump supporters. You can't force people to respect or love something they dislike. Both Trump and Shinn supporters fail to see why anyone would dislike their man. To them Shinn was "Make Live Great Again".

They are very different things and situations but the philosophy of their supporters is the same.

Here is why this was an awful post.

It has been posted by several people (me, Pokey, and alexou are three I can name off the top of my head) that said Shinn screwed up with the lyrics. He should have done better on that front. Pokey isn't as put off as some others, but pky plz.

I know people have said he was not as engaged as he should of been. He was an easy going dude and that is probably one of the bigger differences between him and Ed.

Some who like Shinn have said his stage presence isn't the best. I'd argue it is different as opposed to not as good as Ed but I get where people are coming from.

You are generalizing all Shinn fans and putting them into the extremist category, which is what makes it an awful post.

In fact, I am not sure of one person here who thinks Shinn is perfect. I CAN think of a handful that I have never seen say one negative thing about Ed.

So again, awful post.

This post has been edited by World Dreamer: Nov 22 2016, 11:28 am

[World Dreamer]

Here is why this was an awful post.

It has been posted by several people (me, Pokey, and alexou are three I can name off the top of my head) that said Shinn screwed up with the lyrics. He should have done better on that front. Pokey isn't as put off as some others, but pky plz.

I know people have said he was not as engaged as he should of been. He was an easy going dude and that is probably one of the bigger differences between him and Ed. That is fair and Ed being a workhorse will benefit Live going forward.

Some who like Shinn have said his stage presence isn't the best. I'd argue it is different as opposed to not as good as Ed but I get where people are coming from.

You are generalizing all Shinn fans and putting them into the extremist category, which is what makes it an awful post.

In fact, I am not sure of one person here who thinks Shinn is perfect. I CAN think of a handful that I have never seen say one negative thing about Ed.

So again, awful post.

+1 World Dreamer!

[vivapokey]

Here is why this was an awful post.

It has been posted by several people (me, Pokey, and alexou are three I can name off the top of my head) that said Shinn screwed up with the lyrics. He should have done better on that front. Pokey isn't as put off as some others, but pky plz.

I know people have said he was not as engaged as he should of been. He was an easy going dude and that is probably one of the bigger differences between him and Ed.

Some who like Shinn have said his stage presence isn't the best. I'd argue it is different as opposed to not as good as Ed but I get where people are coming from.

You are generalizing all Shinn fans and putting them into the extremist category, which is what makes it an awful post.

In fact, I am not sure of one person here who thinks Shinn is perfect. I CAN think of a handful that I have never seen say one negative thing about Ed.

So again, awful post.

Werld dramaa, pls

[odoyle]

these posts are def funny

[Hoodstock]

I am not unhappy with Ed. I just don't have any confidence in him based on the last 20 years. Somehow, on this website, that is unreasonable. I have already posted that I hope it works out, just not going to bet on it.

Yes, I thought Shinn did a great job, which I know is an unpopular opinion here.

I can totally respect that. If Live returns as SFBM Live or solo artist backup band for Ed I won't be happy either.

I do have confidence in CCP that they will continue to produce music in the fashion which they did with TGF and The Turn. That they will not agree to produce something below their standards, which they did allow to happen for years with Ed before.

I'm betting on great music because I'm betting on them. That's something the anti-Ed crowd completely overlooks.

If Live returns with SFBM 2.0 that's not just on Ed, that's on them too. I can't imagine they would reunite only to allow that to happen.

We shall see.

[World Dreamer]

I can totally respect that. If Live returns as SFBM Live or solo artist backup band for Ed I won't be happy either.

I do have confidence in CCP that they will continue to produce music in the fashion which they did with TGF and The Turn. That they will not agree to produce something below their standards, which they did allow to happen for years with Ed before.

I'm betting on great music because I'm betting on them. That's something the anti-Ed crowd completely overlooks.

If Live returns with SFBM 2.0 that's not just on Ed, that's on them too. I can't imagine they would reunite only to allow that to happen.

We shall see.

Fair enough. This was NOT an awful post.

[alexou]

I can totally respect that. If Live returns as SFBM Live or solo artist backup band for Ed I won't be happy either.

I do have confidence in CCP that they will continue to produce music in the fashion which they did with TGF and The Turn. That they will not agree to produce something below their standards, which they did allow to happen for years with Ed before.

I'm betting on great music because I'm betting on them. That's something the anti-Ed crowd completely overlooks.

If Live returns with SFBM 2.0 that's not just on Ed, that's on them too. I can't imagine they would reunite only to allow that to happen.

We shall see.

Definitely true. That's the faith I can have in CCP not giving up that much of the musical edge TGF and the Turn have. I'm positive the music will be allright. Lyrics and voice? We'll see.

[Fool_By_The_River]

I really want the band to post something about the reunion because i have no ideas far a random speculatory post at this time.

This post has been edited by Fool_By_The_River: Nov 23 2016, 12:44 pm

[Voodoo Lady]

I really want the band to post something about the reunion because i have no ideas far a random speculatory post at this time.

It does get annoying... giving out little teasers and dropping hints now for months. There is a pattern... They will drop a hint and get the fan base all excited and then they will be hush hush for about two weeks while we get into a bored little lull. And then wham, here comes ever tiniest something else. It's the oddest thing I've ever seen out of a band.

[World Dreamer]

It does get annoying... giving out little teasers and dropping hints now for months. There is a pattern... They will drop a hint and get the fan base all excited and then they will be hush hush for about two weeks while we get into a bored little lull. And then wham, here comes ever tiniest something else. It's the oddest thing I've ever seen out of a band.

I am honestly not saying this to take a shot at the band but they do this because they do not think ahead whatsoever.

They just do things. No rhyme or reason 99% of the time.

For example, in Batman where the Joker says "Do I look like a guy with a plan? I'm like a dog chasing a car...I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it! I just DO things."


This post has been edited by World Dreamer: Nov 23 2016, 11:49 pm

[Merica]

Yeah, I don't really think they're the sharpest when it comes to this kind of thing. They just do whatever Taylor feels like doing, I bet. And at this point, it's not like there's a lot to lose really. So whatever.

[Wambangalang]

It's been discussed somewhere previously in this thread, but I don't think MJ even needs a re-recording. That album sounds pretty polished to me. But I have been listening to death of a dictionary lately on youtube and I gotta say, its a pretty kickass bunch of songs (never really gave it any time before).

So what do you guys think of a studio recording of DOAD under the name of Live as a way to get back to their roots and offer the fans a more professional version of some of their earliest work?