Chris Shinn in Retrospect Options

[Bremang]

I also think Chris intentionally changed some lyrics in some songs, possibly to make them more "his". Which is fair enough, if your role is to sing songs that weren't yours then why not try put your own spin on them. For example, I'm almost certain in TDC its him changing "she will lead us" to "sheep will lead us". But really, I can't imagine going to a gig and being like "hmm that word wasn't the same word that I am used to hearing in this part of the song, get the manager I want to complain!" It was really only as big a deal as you made of it. Even Ed messing up his own lyrics, who cares.
I mean, lack of professionalism? Eh, maybe, probably. But then again, there wasn't a whole lot of that in spades all round. I mean how much did the entire band butcher the handling of The Turn and its promotion. That is a much bigger deal than some missed words. Total scapegoating when you hear people blaming lack of success on Shinn messing some words up.

Yeah, you might be right. Chris may have intentionally changed the lyrics. I'm sure also alot of casuals don't care. I didn't dig it tho, made me cringe a little. Lyrics are a thing that I like about Live, what can I say. Ed had a way with words. Chained to Pain, sheep will lead us, sounds corny to me. Changes the song. Obviously a personal preference for everyone.

The professionalism, I don't see how promotion factors into it when talking about Chris. There was no money to be made in the first place, so why drain cash on the promotion. I just feel like Chris is a nice regular guy, but inexperienced and not very smooth. Whereas CCP and Ed just know the drill like the back of their hand. They're naturals. They always know what to do and say. Half the time I felt like Chad wanted to redact Chris's statements. On stage there were miscues. Just look at the video where Chris is trying to get a sip of water between songs, can't even pull it off. says it all. For those who think it's okay to not sing into the microphone, or wave it around, I would totally disagree. That was super weak, and not helping the song. Suddenly the vocals go silent and i'm like there goes the best part of the song. I'm sure Chris could improve, but I don't think he was that committed. He just wanted to front Live for a bit. He's already well off.

[Bremang]

If that made it more personal for him, he's got some 'splaining to do!!

hilarious

[vivapokey]

Yeah, you might be right. Chris may have intentionally changed the lyrics. I'm sure also alot of casuals don't care. I didn't dig it tho, made me cringe a little. Lyrics are a thing that I like about Live, what can I say. Ed had a way with words. Chained to Pain, sheep will lead us, sounds corny to me. Changes the song. Obviously a personal preference for everyone.

What a man was 2000 years ago, means a hell of a lot to me today!

That sort of change, I don't like, when it changes the entire meaning of the song. Little micro changes, eh. And if we are talking corny and cheesy, may I introduce you to V, BOP, SFBM, Alive and TFATM, and, probably, the new Live album ..because, why would that suddenly change now? Give me a corny micro change here and there over corny from start to finish.
You're right, it is personal preference though, but it just never really bugged me and saw it as a non-issue.

The professionalism, I don't see how promotion factors into it when talking about Chris. There was no money to be made in the first place, so why drain cash on the promotion. I just feel like Chris is a nice regular guy, but inexperienced and not very smooth. Whereas CCP and Ed just know the drill like the back of their hand. They're naturals. They always know what to do and say. Half the time I felt like Chad wanted to redact Chris's statements. On stage there were miscues. Just look at the video where Chris is trying to get a sip of water between songs, can't even pull it off. says it all. For those who think it's okay to not sing into the microphone, or wave it around, I would totally disagree. That was super weak, and not helping the song. Suddenly the vocals go silent and i'm like there goes the best part of the song. I'm sure Chris could improve, but I don't think he was that committed. He just wanted to front Live for a bit. He's already well off.

The promotional factors I think only factors in with Chris in the sense that a lot of people put the blame on him for any perceived failings rather than looking elsewhere - the promotional factors being one of them. There wasn't much money to be made, no, but any chance they had they shot themselves in the foot with it.

Its funny, all those things like waving the mic, breaks in singing .. I quite like that. It made things unique and not rehearsed to hell and it was like the other end of the spectrum where with Ed the show was choreographed to the point nothing felt natural. Chris to me felt like grass roots and I love that. The well oiled machine, the super sleek production ... it all just feels a bit fake and over produced to me. Its why I much prefer smaller intimate shows to big arena shows etc. Chris brought that to the band to me. He made it much more grass roots, warts and all. I don't want to see them all get together at the same point in the same song and take the same stupid bow. I don't want to see them make the same banter and stage talk on shows that is meant to come off as genuine when a clip on youtube shows them saying the exact same thing at the show the night before in another city. All things they did under Ed and Ed did solo.
I actually wish Chris spoke more than he did and Chad spoke less. Chad is an awful speaker and puts me to sleep most of the time and is really bad with getting his point across/trying to promote. Most of the stuff he says kinda leaves me scratching my head. But point taken, Chris isn't the most charismatic workhorse like Ed was. And they do need that person who will crack the whip. So, creatively, Chris, any day. But perhaps it just was never meant to work with him because productively, they needed someone with a different sort of work style. Like, you can't just build a team with nothing but defenders, you eventually need some midfielders and offensive players. To me, in that scenario, Chris is an excellent defender, but maybe they had too many of them. Ed might be a really sub-par offensive player, but they do need one on the team. So eh.

This post has been edited by vivapokey: Nov 18 2016, 2:41 pm

[meltdown5]

Does it look bright? Or does it look bleak? I say the latter. As for moving forward, this the exact opposite of forward to me. This running backwards. They said the only way around is through, guess not, the only way around is backwards.

I meant that the band, CCP, are moving forward and putting the past stuff with Ed behind them and I think that is a good thing not to hold a grudge. I admit I was mad at Ed, but what good did that do me or anyone else? Not like he cares! haha. I haven't listened to any of his solo stuff. I've moved on with liking other bands, but since I was 14, Live has held a very special place in my heart. I was just saying that it is good for the future that all four of them seem to be done with their behind the scenes BS.

[World Dreamer]

Take note of who is negative towards Shinn or doesn't post a thanks to Shinn in this thread. Those are the people who never gave him a chance. Those are the people whose opinions I would be VERY skeptical of.

GONNA QUOTE MAHSELF!

[Fool_By_The_River]

Chris Shinn to me was like the "rebound" girlfriend (not saying he is girly, just using an analogy) after a break-up.

[World Dreamer]

Chris Shinn to me was like the "rebound" girlfriend (not saying he is girly, just using an analogy) after a break-up.

Here is a better *analogy. A great basketball player, that the city loves, becomes a major diva and asshole, leaves your team only to return a decade later when his knees are shot and his career is over and he just wants a paycheck.

Yet many of the fans think he will suddenly return to being an all-star and win them a championship.

*this analogy is not about Shinn

[vivapokey]

Here is a better *analogy. A great basketball player, that the city loves, becomes a major diva and asshole, leaves your team only to return a decade later when his knees are shot and his career is over and he just wants a paycheck.

Yet many of the fans think he will suddenly return to being an all-star and win them a championship.

*this analogy is not about Shinn

I'm positive I used this exact analogy on WD.com before, it's good to know that you look up to me and recognise me as the superior poster and person despite your protests. I'm honoured.

[World Dreamer]

I'm positive I used this exact analogy on WD.com before, it's good to know that you look up to me and recognise me as the superior poster and person despite your protests. I'm honoured.

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

[throwing_cheetahs]

i have a question for all of the WD.com crew that have came back here to fansoflive.com since WD closed. Is WD.com going to be started back up or will you guys be starting a new message board ? I am curious.

[World Dreamer]

i have a question for all of the WD.com crew that have came back here to fansoflive.com since WD closed. Is WD.com going to be started back up or will you guys be starting a new message board ? I am curious.

That is complicated. I will take the 5th.

[throwing_cheetahs]

The truth is WD.com was an anti-Ed board, i mean, it said no talking about him or something from what i remember. Therefore, when CCP and Ed decided to reunite, WD.com had to go.

[World Dreamer]

The truth is WD.com was an anti-Ed board, i mean, it said no talking about him or something from what i remember. Therefore, when CCP and Ed decided to reunite, WD.com had to go.

It was not anti-Ed. Not at all. Most people there said time and again they wish Ed the best.

It was pro CCP/Shinn. There is a huge difference. We literally did not care what Ed did. We were focused on Live.

I posted here a long time ago about WD.com's intentions. I will see if I can find the old posts but basically WD.com was about Live going forward.

We did not want to get bogged down with the drama. We wanted to move forward with the current situation which was CCP and Shinn.

WD.com was created because the environment here was toxic as hell. There was a group that just wanted to move forward. And we did. But then CCP moved backwards. So WD.com ended.

I mean, if WD.com was so "anti-Ed" then it would still be active and waiting to just shit on new Ed/CCP music when it came out.

Instead, WD.com bowed out gracefully. And several WD.com posters are back here saying they hope things work out and Ed returns to being badass Ed.

Hell, based on what I have read here you could argue this website is anti-Shinn and majorly anti-CCP.

This post has been edited by World Dreamer: Nov 20 2016, 1:25 am

[Merica]

Yeah, people think WD was all just talking shit about Ed. Far from the case. He was barely mentioned at all.

[vivapokey]

WD.come wasn't anti-Ed. Whilst most of its most active followers lost all faith in Ed, there were still some prominent ones who were on board with him. Whether it was his solo work or even just up until SFBM, the difference being is that they were also firmly on board with Chris or at least were really open to see what would happen with him. What WD.com primarily asked was that people who join up were at least on board with Chris/Live with Chris. Ed actually barely got mentioned at all, especially once things started heating up leading up to The Turn and its release.