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[mfitz804]

I really, really think it's Ed coming back to Live and doing it CCP's way. I think Ed had to do it that way. I don't know who approached who, but I see this as Ed is rejoining Live, not CCP is rejoining Ed. I'm so optimistic they're going to try being a real band again.

One guy doing thing the other guys' way will never be a real band. All the guys have to do things THEIR way for it to work. If what you said is true, another breakup will be inevitable.

[LiveForNow]

One guy doing thing the other guys' way will never be a real band. All the guys have to do things THEIR way for it to work. If what you said is true, another breakup will be inevitable.

As I said later I hope CCP's way and Ed's way is now one in the same. I hope CCP's way was how they all did it pre TDTH and Ed has come around to wanting to do it that way again too.

You make a fair point. If Ed deep down still wants to do it all on his own then its bound to crumble..

[mfitz804]

As I said later I hope CCP's way and Ed's way is now one in the same. I hope CCP's way was how they all did it pre TDTH and Ed has come around to wanting to do it that way again too.

You make a fair point. If Ed deep down still wants to do it all on his own then its bound to crumble..

That's my fear in the event of a reunion. I think they have to be prepared for a more relaxed, laid back, non-aggressive Ed, I don't think his heart is in doing the pre TDTH style, and his voice may be a bit blown out at this point. I hope I'm wrong.

[Fool_By_The_River]

I wonder if they have been recording during this LIVE BLACKOUT? What the hell have they (ECCP) been doing all these months, i wonder?

[LiveForNow]

I wonder if they have been recording during this LIVE BLACKOUT? What the hell have they (ECCP) been doing all these months, i wonder?

I remember Taylor saying that when Chris joined the band they went to "Live School." Listened to the first four albums, talked them through, etc. Maybe they're doing something similar.

On a personal side I bet they have a lot to catch up on. While I'd love an update, it wouldn't bother me if they're taking their time to figure out how to do this the right way.

[vivapokey]

From what little I have heard it seems Ed coming back was pretty financially motivated as in needing the cash. So he has had to bend to CCP's will a bit. Also them owning the Live brand etc. But I wouldn't be surprised if they had some compromise and Ed brought his own demands to the table. Like absolute minimal discussion of Live existing without him. So out of necessity I can see Ed playing ball a lot more. Which is good. But a few in the know also think he hasn't changed much. Which is bad. But I doubt he'll exert the same influence over the band he once did. I hope CCP just learned to stand up for themselves and don't view Ed as what will get them more money and thus let him get away with more. I don't think CCP need the money like Ed does (not saying Ed is broke or anything) but it's clear they are going to make more money with him.

CCP have been incredibly lazy in the past and I think they need a motivator and work horse. I think they hoped Chris could be that. But it was unrealistic. Chris was new and finding his feet and weary of not wanting to come in and be like "this is my band!" CT wasn't a great band leader either. That's where CCP needed to step up but yeah. Ed at least is a workhorse and they will benefit financially from his drive as he is motivated by the dollar. Theoretically, if everything goes smoothly it could be a really good run for them. My question is still all on Ed's voice and lyrics. Neither of which have improved in my eyes recently. And if they aren't making new music I'm bored by the idea of a nostalgia act just touring on those same old tired hits.

I think there's so many "what if's" involved now. They're basically navigating a mine field of so many different decisions and scenarios which could go right or wrong. If they manage to come out the other side of it with an amazing finished product I'll be astounded. They love shooting themselves in the foot. The band of missed opportunities. But if they can do it then I'd take my hat off to them.

[throwing_cheetahs]

From what little I have heard it seems Ed coming back was pretty financially motivated as in needing the cash.

How do you know it's just financially motivated? That being said, there is nothing wrong with making more money than you have been previously, hell, everyone wants to be rich, to be honest. Just wondering where you hear all this stuff from, i mean OTD said they were done for good, is he your source?

TC

This post has been edited by throwing_cheetahs: Oct 26 2016, 2:30 am

[vivapokey]

How do you know it's just financially motivated? That being said, there is nothing wrong with making more money than you have been previously, hell, everyone wants to be rich, to be honest. Just wondering where you hear all this stuff from, i mean OTD said they were done for good, is he your source?

TC

Not talking about OTD.

And sure not saying people don't want more money. I'm a poor student, god damn do I want money. But I question I guess their integrity when I see them sacrificing superior musical quality in favour of money. Subjective (to a degree) I know. But after droning on and on about how much better it was with Chris and the music and blah blah. And how bad it was with Ed ... all of a sudden it's a total backflip. Of course other factors at play, but primarily it is financially motivated. Which I realise for some isn't an issue. They want the reunion and don't care how it comes about - fair enough. To me it doesn't sit well with me. Their are financial reasons why a reunion is in the best interest of both sides which go beyond just wanting to make some more cash. I can really only view music as and art form and I want to think so little about it being a business or profit. That just turns me off so much. So for me, they would have to produce something incredible for me to feel like it comes from a genuine place that I can buy into it (no pun intended).

Seeing Ed and Chad laughing and hanging out together was a nice touch. It's why I'm slightly torn. Part of me thinks "you bastards, trying to laugh all the way to the bank, about to dance on the grave of what made Live great". The other part is genuinely glad to see them make amends. So as I say, I just hope everything is being done by both sides in good faith for the right reasons. But, I've reason to believe it isn't quite that way. But I'm going to try hard to keep an open mind when the music comes. Just let my instincts tell me whether I enjoy it or not.

This post has been edited by vivapokey: Oct 26 2016, 3:14 am

[Lakini's Juice]

What we're witnessing here, isn't a business deal...it's a rekindled friendship. They're clearly bros and laughing away the past 10 years. Anyone who had fallouts with good friends this is usually the dynamic that happens after reconciliation.

They're also realising that the brand is bigger than any one of the individual members. All big bands that have been together longer than 20 years realise that fact. I mean, if Guns N Roses can come back better than ever, why not LiVE?

I get the cynicism on here, but there are some important things we have to take into account before we judge their motivations. Ed had some "succes" on his own, so he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone anymore.

I kind of compare their situation to schoolprojects, where some students just lay back and let it all happen cuz they're bored and one kid takes charge and makes the most of it. I think in the end that was Ed. That doesn't mean that CCP were lazy. The lack of motivation could stem from Ed's behaviour and that they just felt powerless and that didn't help their motivation to fight for their voice in the band. In all fights there's two sides and the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

That said, what i think is that if they are going to write songs together and record, that Ed knows that whatever songs the rest votes out, he can always use for a solo outing. They'd be stupid if they don't see that what made the first 4 albums so great, was cooperation.

[vivapokey]

What we're witnessing here, isn't a business deal...it's a rekindled friendship. They're clearly bros and laughing away the past 10 years. Anyone who had fallouts with good friends this is usually the dynamic that happens after reconciliation.

I think that is just looking at the other side of the same coin. There is very much business related matters going on behind closed doors which lead to this. They're not going to publicly display that, obviously.

[throwing_cheetahs]

I think that is just looking at the other side of the same coin. There is very much business related matters going on behind closed doors which lead to this. They're not going to publicly display that, obviously.

To think there would not be business related matters involved in someones job/brand is kidding yourself. No offense meant.

TC

[mattyeagles]

Agreed! Great observations!

I'm trying to be patient awaiting 'something'.....it's admittedly tough!

Great observations! I had the same takeaways

[vivapokey]

To think there would not be business related matters involved in someones job/brand is kidding yourself. No offense meant.

TC

No I know what you mean, but it goes a bit beyond that. All I'm saying is that I believe the reunion is happening mostly for the wrong reasons/reasons which would make it hard for me to truly enjoy the product. You know how maybe someone who feels really badly about animal cruelty, and they're trying to eat some meat but they may keep thinking about where that meat comes from and how it ended up on their plate? How it might really effect their ability to enjoy it? It's a bit like that.

There is the side of the coin where I am glad to see them begin to make amends as friends. I'd be happy to see that with no Live at all. The other side of the coin is what I have an issue with.

But thats where I feel I ultimately should wait to see what the finished product brings. If it somehow manages to be so good that all that doesn't matter, then hey, you can't argue with what you like. But I feel extremely hesitant going forward.
But then as I say, I realise to many others that doesn't matter. They don't give a damn how the meat ends up on their plate so long as they get it. So they may want the reunion any way they can get it and I'm not going to argue that. If people are over the moon no matter what, then fair play to them.

As much as I feel CCP have delivered a bit of a slap in the face to those who supported them, and as much as I abhor everything Ed has done of late, and as much as CCP completely and utterly mishandled their handling of TGF and The Turn - the actual music products of both TGF and The Turn were amazing and I loved them. So, that's where my doubt comes in. They built up a lot of musical goodwill for me with those that I wonder if maybe somehow they can manage to bring out the best in Ed again. But, I also feel like it could be a huge step backwards and one warning sign to me of that is getting back together for reasons which aren't primarily about "lets do what we have to do to make the best product we can make".

[TonyD]

No I know what you mean, but it goes a bit beyond that. All I'm saying is that I believe the reunion is happening mostly for the wrong reasons/reasons which would make it hard for me to truly enjoy the product. You know how maybe someone who feels really badly about animal cruelty, and they're trying to eat some meat but they may keep thinking about where that meat comes from and how it ended up on their plate? How it might really effect their ability to enjoy it? It's a bit like that.

There is the side of the coin where I am glad to see them begin to make amends as friends. I'd be happy to see that with no Live at all. The other side of the coin is what I have an issue with.

But thats where I feel I ultimately should wait to see what the finished product brings. If it somehow manages to be so good that all that doesn't matter, then hey, you can't argue with what you like. But I feel extremely hesitant going forward.
But then as I say, I realise to many others that doesn't matter. They don't give a damn how the meat ends up on their plate so long as they get it. So they may want the reunion any way they can get it and I'm not going to argue that. If people are over the moon no matter what, then fair play to them.

As much as I feel CCP have delivered a bit of a slap in the face to those who supported them, and as much as I abhor everything Ed has done of late, and as much as CCP completely and utterly mishandled their handling of TGF and The Turn - the actual music products of both TGF and The Turn were amazing and I loved them. So, that's where my doubt comes in. They built up a lot of musical goodwill for me with those that I wonder if maybe somehow they can manage to bring out the best in Ed again. But, I also feel like it could be a huge step backwards and one warning sign to me of that is getting back together for reasons which aren't primarily about "lets do what we have to do to make the best product we can make".

I respect your opinions, but the band doesn't owe you anything. I do not think it's fair to call the guys lazy, or minimize Ed's "success". They are middle aged guys with kids that had a band. They created music that you bought. They have every right to pimp out all their product anyway they want, and you have the right to choose whether you want to pay for it. They already proved themselves over 20 years ago.

[vivapokey]

I respect your opinions, but the band doesn't owe you anything. I do not think it's fair to call the guys lazy, or minimize Ed's "success". They are middle aged guys with kids that had a band. They created music that you bought. They have every right to pimp out all their product anyway they want, and you have the right to choose whether you want to pay for it. They already proved themselves over 20 years ago.

Never said the band owed me anything. But, I and others have the have felt that after following all this way that they have taken a giant step backwards. Which amounts to feeling like you've been lead down a dead end road. I'm not the only one who feels that way. Plenty have jumped off the wagon after many years. Some who are real close to the band who put energy and effort into assisting the guys who were glad the toxic environment with Ed was over. Energy and effort into them under the understanding a real change had taken place. But in the end that hasn't happened and they've gone backwards. No, the band doesn't "owe" anyone anything, but people have the right to feel really let down. I only hope that with going backwards they have some really strong safe guards in place on how to make things different this time.

The guys have been lazy and Ed's success has be minimal. You can say they're middle aged etc etc but that's the way they have been for a great deal of time - over promise, under deliver. There were times over the past few years fans have been left pulling their hair out almost begging them to follow up on things - that supposed Strand recording CT posted video of him mastering, the fan contests that never went anywhere, the Throwing Copper AC live album, the Siren's Call single, the stagnant setlists etc. They've been accused of laziness by many for a long time. While personally, I don't really care. Whatever happens happens, and whenever it happens, it happens. But, like I said, Ed on the other hand through all his faults is a workhorse. One area he can help them in is bringing that back to the party. If people are wanting more from them - that is a real positive.

In all, I'm really hesitant and sceptical about the whole thing. But I'm also trying to see positives too. Ed bringing the energy and drive has to be one of them. They need that guy that grabs the bull by the horns. That was one of Chris' weaker points. I loved musically what Chris did, but he wasn't a leader ... and it would have been awkward for him to be so having stepped in like he did.

This post has been edited by vivapokey: Oct 26 2016, 11:21 am