Why would one want a reunion? Options

[mfitz804]

Why is it impossible for some fans to like Live the way it was/is with Chris Shinn? I understand totally the people who want Ed back, but Live made The Turn, and some fans liked it alot. And it was the record for which reviews were the best since TDTH, if not before.

I "like" the way it was/is with Shinn. I "love" the way it was with Ed.

[Hoodstock]

Why is it impossible for some fans to like Live the way it was/is with Chris Shinn? I understand totally the people who want Ed back, but Live made The Turn, and some fans liked it alot. And it was the record for which reviews were the best since TDTH, if not before.

Glad you liked The Turn, I don't find it enjoyable and it is not in my listening rotation. Whether Ed comes back or not I'm not interested in anything with Shinn. Some fans like Techno a lot too and I'm not going to start listening to that either.

It's like asking why don't you like eating crickets as the primary source of your diet? I totally understand that there are other things that are way better but they are readily available and some people in 3rd world countries consider them a delicacy.

[alexou]

And the album didn't even generate a proper US tour, and was Live's first album to not make the Billboard top 100.

Again a chart argument. Clearly Live didn't want to do a big tour. They easily could have toured in a lot of small venues, but they didn't want. Taylor said it before. Ed did the opposite, good for him. Each their choice.

[Hoodstock]

Again a chart argument. Clearly Live didn't want to do a big tour. They easily could have toured in a lot of small venues, but they didn't want. Taylor said it before. Ed did the opposite, good for him. Each their choice.

Ya, I kind of hope that if they do reunite with Ed the album does nothing on the charts just so he shuts up with that crap.

[SJN1279]

Again a chart argument. Clearly Live didn't want to do a big tour. They easily could have toured in a lot of small venues, but they didn't want. Taylor said it before. Ed did the opposite, good for him. Each their choice.

As a fan, you want shows. When an album drops, you expect and hope for a tour. If a band drops an album, and doesn't get much radio play, not touring limits the album's range to attract fans.

The four of them are better together than separate.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Aug 11 2016, 2:27 pm

[mattyeagles]

Ya, I kind of hope that if they do reunite with Ed the album does nothing on the charts just so he shuts up with that crap.

It does seem kind of odd to complain about ed's tour antics, playing drums behind plexi glass, etc and then CHOOSE not to tour when you have a new lead singer.

Live's charting days are over, that should't be an argument for or against a reunion. If the 4 choose to reunite, it will be because they believe they can make powerful music again and I'd like to see that happen.

This post has been edited by mattyeagles: Aug 11 2016, 2:52 pm

[Voodoo Lady]

Over the years I have learned that when touring, mid-level bands struggle to break even and sometimes end up paying out of pocket. Shit's expensive.

I'm convinced that's why Live stopped touring for The Turn. They were slated to play a festival here in S.A., TX last May and Shinn hater I am, I was actually thinking about going to support C, C & P. Then out of the blue, they are dropped from the bill with no explanation through their website or social media. Another clue they had ran out of $.

Ed played smaller venues because he had to. I'm just saying.

When Live reunites/tours they are going to have to open for someone (Smashing Pumpkins? Counting Crows?). I'd love to see them tour small venues for that up and close experience, but I'll take whatever I can get!

[SJN1279]

When Live reunites/tours they are going to have to open for someone (Smashing Pumpkins? Counting Crows?). I'd love to see them tour small venues for that up and close experience, but I'll take whatever I can get!

Live will be able to fill mid sized venues on their own (1000-2000 capacity). Just waiting for the dates.

[Voodoo Lady]

Live will be able to fill mid sized venues on their own (1000-2000 capacity). Just waiting for the dates.

I agree with that. 1000-2000 to me, is a smaller venue. My bad.

[alexou]

As a fan, you want shows. When an album drops, you expect and hope for a tour. If a band drops an album, and doesn't get much radio play, not touring limits the album's range to attract fans.

The four of them are better together than separate.

Again, money/sales argument...pointless. If they reunite and do an extensive tour, then I might question the lack of touring for The Turn. But you clearly underestimate CT's involvement in his business. Music is not his only thing. He made it clear.

[Unsheathed]

I'm sorry to be such a downer but why would one want a Live reunion?

The Turn was the best Live record since The Distance to Here and the reason is simple: It's a Live record, not an Ed Kowalczyk record with Live acting as a backing band.

Given what Chad explained about the V era, that record can be forgiven but Birds of Pray and Songs From Black Mountain are just plain, boring and overall bad records. I feel the same with Ed's two solo records.

I know they may not be objectively bad because some people enjoy them but one thing we can all agree on: they are NOT Live records, they're all Ed Kowalczyk records with Live acting as its backing band.

No one amongst Live fans, except those who enjoy Ed's records, would want another Ed Kowalczyk with Live as a backing band record. If they are to reunite, Ed will have to accept to go back contributing to songs written as a band like he did before which I frankly don't see happening. He seems happy to be in full control and that's absolutely fine, his solo creative direction is just different than Live's.

If they reunite and they give us another BOP or worst SFBM, I will be so disapointed for a band that can do so much better...

If they actually reunite, I really don't see CCP allowing the creation of anything even remotely resembling the 2001-2006 era. I'm not saying it will sell well, or even be good, but I really can't see them all agreeing to go down that abysmal path again. If Ed tries to generate filth on the level of SFBM again, I can only really envision two scenarios: CCP scraps the project, or they commit an act of homicide.

Something is definitely going down though. I want to be optimistic, but my faith is waning. I really hope it's not another litigation issue. They will break their silence eventually. Maybe they're waiting for Ed to grow out his rat tail?

[Bremang]

I really hope it's not another litigation issue.

Yeah, if CCP and Ed are still at odds, that would probably be alot of behind the scenes business to iron out before they can have an mj/tc re-release or a new album.

[Tips]

If they actually reunite, I really don't see CCP allowing the creation of anything even remotely resembling the 2001-2006 era. I'm not saying it will sell well, or even be good, but I really can't see them all agreeing to go down that abysmal path again. If Ed tries to generate filth on the level of SFBM again, I can only really envision two scenarios: CCP scraps the project, or they commit an act of homicide.

Something is definitely going down though. I want to be optimistic, but my faith is waning. I really hope it's not another litigation issue. They will break their silence eventually. Maybe they're waiting for Ed to grow out his rat tail?

Exactly my initial point. As a fan, I feel immensly let down by the last two original line-up efforts. Live was a rock band not a pappy ballad band (sorry for people who like Ed's songs but that's how I personally feel about them... all subjective). So if they reunite, CCP has to stand their ground when it comes to rock because clearly, since Ed's been gone, they've been advocating it so it's clearly what they want to do (and what they delivered with The Turn).

Now here's to hoping they get out of that silence!

[odoyle]

yeah if whatever happens results in more v, bop, sfbm garbage.... i would have to think it would be same old same old shudder and frowning. But i would think that old end game resulted in Live's close to extinction and they would be wise to reinforce how they used to work together.

who's to say any of this is even possible. the quiet is too quiet.

[Bremang]

CCP made it clear that they're not doing SFBM type music if The Turn and Gracious Few are any indication. I bet we're looking at a mental jewelry re-release type thing, with a greatest hits type show.