"Secret" Gift for downloaders of Cyberdust app (Churchbox), Secret Samadhi Churchbox Sessions 1996 Options

[nutlog13]

To follow up on that, if anyone who happened to use the Cyberdust app could find it in their hearts to PM me a link to the Churchbox files, I would be forever grateful.

I swear on my Secret Samadhi cassette tape that the recordings will never leave my home and never find their way onto any kind of pirating/sharing anything. I'm just a 20-year fan of the band and would love nothing more than to hear these recordings.

I know I'm not as trustworthy as OutToDry apparently is, but I can assure you the recordings do not need his "protection" from my obvious intent to exploit them.

[briburge]

As much as I love live, is there any possibility of this turning into a major pirating operation? Someone pm me this sucker. Btw, I beleive in omertà and will go to jail before giving you up. Godfather is like my favorite movie.

[Bremang]

Is it fair for Chad to dust Churchbox?

He has the right.

But Chad is not dumb. He knows it’s unfair to fans, and that it’s futile for it not to spread after he blasted it on major social networks.

He may just be using the hype to get more Cyberdust downloads. It seems like he is hinting that he will send Churchbox out in another blast.

[mattyeagles]

To follow up on that, if anyone who happened to use the Cyberdust app could find it in their hearts to PM me a link to the Churchbox files, I would be forever grateful.

I swear on my Secret Samadhi cassette tape that the recordings will never leave my home and never find their way onto any kind of pirating/sharing anything. I'm just a 20-year fan of the band and would love nothing more than to hear these recordings.

I know I'm not as trustworthy as OutToDry apparently is, but I can assure you the recordings do not need his "protection" from my obvious intent to exploit them.

same! have never wanted a recording more than this

[nutlog13]

Is it fair for Chad to dust Churchbox?

He has the right.

But Chad is not dumb. He knows it’s unfair to fans, and that it’s futile for it not to spread after he blasted it on major social networks.

Yeah - my assumption is that this is part of their partnering agreement with Cyberdust. There may even be some legal hurdles with openly blasting out the whole Churchbox collection publicly, for free, widespread distribution — legal hurdles that can be cleared by only making the recordings available for a limited time. And the partnering agreement with Cyberdust makes that the "exclusive" platform for these limited releases.

That said, it's clearly not intended as a piracy protection measure. As you said, Chad and the band are not stupid. And that was the whole point of my earlier post — the people who happened to download and use the app at the right time are no more privileged or trustworthy with this material than anyone else, and what's to stop THEM from selling it or pirating torrents of it? This wasn't some "no-cameras-or-recording-devices-allowed" private show they're asking people not to bootleg. This was a damn Dropbox link, loaded with plain old MP3 downloads, available to anyone and everyone in the general public (provided you got the message to download a certain app at a certain time).

That doesn't make it exclusive to those people or illegal to share. It's just plain good luck for certain fans and bad luck / tough shit for other fans. But there's zero reason those MP3s downloaded from a social media-announced Dropbox can't or won't be shared with other fans.

This post has been edited by nutlog13: Feb 20 2015, 2:09 pm

[mattyeagles]

Yeah - my assumption is that this is part of their partnering agreement with Cyberdust. There may even be some legal hurdles with openly blasting out the whole Churchbox collection publicly, for free, widespread distribution — legal hurdles that can be cleared by only making the recordings available for a limited time. And the partnering agreement with Cyberdust makes that the "exclusive" platform for these limited releases.

That said, it's clearly not intended as a piracy protection measure. As you said, Chad and the band are not stupid. And that was the whole point of my earlier post — the people who happened to download and use the app at the right time are no more privileged or trustworthy with this material than anyone else, and what's to stop THEM from selling it or pirating torrents of it? This wasn't some "no-cameras-or-recording-devices-allowed" private show they're asking people not to bootleg. This was a damn Dropbox link, loaded with plain old MP3 downloads, available to anyone and everyone in the general public (provided you got the message to download a certain app at a certain time).

That doesn't make it exclusive to those people or illegal to share. It's just plain good luck for certain fans and bad luck / tough shit for other fans. But there's zero reason those MP3s downloaded from a social media-announced Dropbox can't or won't be shared with other fans.

I can't believe this has taken so long to get released to a broaden audience...fans have been pateinely witing for several years for this recording

[drewgood]

If anyone would be kind enough to share link with me if they got ahold of it, I'd be very, very grateful. I'm a huge fan, but sadly, I am not in a position in my life where I can monitor things and hope that it gets sent out to everyone eventually.

[briburge]

I asked chad directly on cyber dust if he could release it agiain. He said the thing they like about cyber dust is you have to be ready and more things would be released in the future. Very Cool he got back to me. Not loving his answer. Hope I can get this in the future

[throwing_cheetahs]

Yes, he is .....can't say i've missed OTD!

TC

[Bremang]

Got another dust from Chad, no links to Church

[river_rage]

Let's hope they send it out again,

My girlfriend tried to download the files, but it didn't work for her either.

Everyone who missed it, please write the guys and request another blast.

[brett]

Please explain to me how the hardcore fan base wanting these recordings to listen to at home or in their cars is "exploiting" them.

While you're at it, maybe you could explain how the fans who happened to be around for a few select hours and happened to download the app at the right time are any LESS likely to "exploit" these recordings than other longtime fans who didn't happen to be around with the app at the right moment...? Are Cyberdust app users more trustworthy?

In this world of yours where fans of LIVE are more interested in plastering rare recordings on BitTorrent or selling them on eBay — than, let's say, acquiring rare recordings of their favorite band to listen to — what makes the Cyberdust app users so far "above" us lowly fan-forum members that THEY (you?) can be trusted with these recordings but we can not? What's to stop the app users from selling them on CDs or sharing torrents online? Of course, this illicit behavior is surely reserved for "other" fans who didn't log in to an app at the right time. Right?

It's nice to have a self-appointed Protector Of The Recordings making sure no one else can hear them, but please, when you step down from your soapbox, I'm anxious to hear your logic here. Thanks for your time, and for protecting these recordings from all these other exploitative, careless, less-trustworthy fans. I don't know what we or the band would do without you.

haha great post. Bob won't respond because you make too much sense.
He's always been a dick and always will be.

[SctSamadhi]

haha great post. Bob won't respond because you make too much sense.
He's always been a dick and always will be.

First off I want to give a big thanks to OTD for sharing those awesome Rick Astley MP3s. I have been waiting almost 20 years to get my hands on them. Thanks bro!

Second I missed the cyber dust blast by about an hour and while disappointed my life will go on. Offering somebody $100 for the files is a bit lame. If the band asked the files not be shared then anybody that is respecting that wish and not sharing the files has that right. Respecting their wishes might mean there will be future opportunities for CB or other cool stuff. Having the files end up on the internet would likely close the door any any future opportunities. I'm just as "die hard" as any of you and don't act like you are owed something from the band. Anything they decide to do like this is a bonus to the fans that have the opportunity.

Third, for a bunch of people that for the most part haven't supported anything the band has done over the last few years (I know there are some exceptions to this), maybe you don't deserve a copy of these files from CT.

And finally Bob isn't a dick. He's somebody that respects the wishes of the band. That Rick Astley thing was fucking hilarious as I almost spit my coffee on my computer.

[PhoenixDecay]

With "exploiting" he meant making money out of it by getting 100$. He explained it, so why do you all make such a fuss about the "exploit" thing?

[drewgood]

First off I want to give a big thanks to OTD for sharing those awesome Rick Astley MP3s. I have been waiting almost 20 years to get my hands on them. Thanks bro!

Second I missed the cyber dust blast by about an hour and while disappointed my life will go on. Offering somebody $100 for the files is a bit lame. If the band asked the files not be shared then anybody that is respecting that wish and not sharing the files has that right. Respecting their wishes might mean there will be future opportunities for CB or other cool stuff. Having the files end up on the internet would likely close the door any any future opportunities. I'm just as "die hard" as any of you and don't act like you are owed something from the band. Anything they decide to do like this is a bonus to the fans that have the opportunity.

Third, for a bunch of people that for the most part haven't supported anything the band has done over the last few years (I know there are some exceptions to this), maybe you don't deserve a copy of these files from CT.

And finally Bob isn't a dick. He's somebody that respects the wishes of the band. That Rick Astley thing was fucking hilarious as I almost spit my coffee on my computer.

I always find it interesting when someone appoints themselves as a morally superior ‘better’ person who can look down on people for ‘thinking they deserve something’…when this very same person, not one second later, decides it’s okay to make the judgment that someone else “*doesn’t* deserve something”.

You ask from your soapbox “who the fuck are we” to make a judgment regarding what we deserve and don’t deserve. I ask, “who the fuck are you” doing the very same thing (that of making a decision of what someone else does or doesn’t deserve) while simultaneously faulting US for this.

I also want to point out that this whole “deserving vs. not deserving” issue is a distraction, and it’s NOT THE REAL ISSUE. This isn’t a question of deserving. This isn’t a question of whether it’s okay with the band that the music is out there. That question has already been answered when an actual member of the band put this out of his own volition.

And before I get to what this is about, I should also point out that paying $100 for something isn’t the issue either, nor is the chance of exploiting this music for money. Again, anyone who got their hands on this is in the very same position to “exploit” this… but nobody would really do that because… let’s just be honest here. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT LIVE ANYMORE…. EXCEPT this very small group of people who gather in these small communities, who only want to ENJOY the music, NOT sell it. NOBODY here wants to make a cheap buck off the music. ANYBODY here would gladly pay THE BAND for this music.

But it’s funny how someone will cherry pick a move by the moderator of this board who’s offering money (only because he’s a huge fan and has been left out in the cold, and NOT to dick over the band), and say:
"THERE, LOOK… SOMEBODY IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT “I’VE” DECIDED IS THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS…. Therefore, fuck all of you. Fuck all of you who didn’t get in trouble with your boss to go download some files before they were taken down… fuck all of you who worked many years straight and finally took a vacation away from technology for three days, and were not smart enough to anticipate what some bonehead guitarist was going to do out of the blue (even though he promised he would give this to everyone YEARS ago).”

It’s funny how someone can point a finger at Dan and say, “I don’t like what he tried to do here, and I’m morally superior to him, and I’m therefore morally superior to all of you because you’re not as good as me, you didn’t pay $1,000 on Pledgemusic to be served breakfast in bed by Chad and Pat, and you’re not “friends” with the band.” ….and then taunt us with a Rick Rolls vid.

And finally, before I tell you what the issue is, there’s ONE more thing that it isn’t. It ISN’T any retort you have to any of what I typed above. It ISN’T “actually, I only paid $749 on Pledgemusic, and they cooked me breakfast in their kitchen, NOT in bed, so your whole argument is empty now”. And it ISN’T any retort to anyone else’s frustrations that I’m sure you would LOVE to conveniently take out of context so that you can be “right” and not be revealed for being a douche who’s forgotten that there are other Live fans out there who are grown adults with lives of their own who don’t need to worship the men behind the band to truly appreciate the music.

So WHAT IS THE ISSUE HERE THEN? The issue is Chad’s blatant disregard of any real common sense and decency toward fans who have supported the band for so long for years. Fans who got Birds of Pray a month early for free yet still paid $13 when it came out (at a time when money was tight) just because they wanted to make sure each band member got their 20 cents off the sale. Fans who used Pledgemusic (not for breakfast in bed, but just as a way to buy the album in a way that supports the band a little more directly) when they KNEW that Amazon would deliver the whole album sooner (which they did). Fans who saw Live WITH Chris the last time they were in town on this recent tour, cheered just as loudly as anyone else, and looked forward to whatever the band might want to create, knowing they would support them with or without Ed.
So….What do I mean when I say blatant disregard? I mean that if you have any intelligence whatsoever, you know that the MUSIC is always the most important thing when it comes to any band. You know that a signed guitar pick doesn’t mean shit compared to a song created by a group whose art you really appreciate. A backstage pass isn’t as important. A Pledgemusic tour of their studio isn’t as important.

So here you have this unique and apparently totally awesome spin on a classic album by the band. A snapshot of music that was created in that moment when they were crafting this art. And you have someone from the band PROMISE to give it to the fans. YEARS AGO. And fail to deliver.

Now you can go and say “it’s his music, he can do whatever he wants.” Fair enough.
But speaking of fair, since again this ISN’T about “deserving” or “what we’re entitled to” or “who’s a REAL Live fan” or any of that other nonsense you use as an excuse and distraction to rub it in our faces and convince yourself that you’re better than us…. Let’s just talk about what the real issue here is.

This is about being a decent person. And having the respect to keep your promise. And not in some half-assed fucked up “stalk me on twitter and find my post and sign up for my project within 24 hours, or fuck you” type of way.

Does NOBODY else, even the elitists who hang out on WhiteDiscussion and think they’re better than you if you don’t hate on Ed every day (even if, as an intelligent human being, you already know the part he had in fucking things up)… does nobody at all want to just stop and ask “can the artist PLEASE just have some fucking INTEGRITY in his choices in how he treats his consumer??!!” NOT because the consumer “is entitled to it”…. But because IT’S JUST THE DECENT THING TO DO.

Let me say that again since I know this post will be cherry picked, taken out of context, and attacked.

THIS IS ABOUT BEING A DECENT PERSON, KEEPING PROMISES YOU MADE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUPPORTED YOU, AND NOT RUBBING THEIR FAILURE TO DO IT ON YOUR UNREASONABLE TERMS IN THEIR FACES.

This. Is. About. Being. A. Decent. Person.

Wait, are you stuck on something I said above because I called you elitist, and now you’re all defensive, and are more concerned with arguing with me than just listening for a second and considering the fact that your point of view is biased and skewed? Did that last sentence that I just said set you off and distract you from the REAL issue? Well, then, let me say it just ONE more time.

This. Is. About. Being. A. Decent. Person.

In MY humble opinion, it’s not a decent thing to make a promise, break a promise, and then halfway keep the promise years later in a way that prevents the promise from being kept to the majority of people. And it’s not a decent thing to have a fan say “sorry, Chad, I missed out on the coolest fucking music release you’ve put out in over 15 years, but I love you guys and I’m a fan, and can I please enjoy this also” and reply with “I know, right?...isn’t it cool how exclusive this Dust thing is? So super exclusive, I love it. Wait, did you say something important? I wasn’t paying attention, you fucking loser.” (and yes, MORONS…I’m obviously NOT quoting Chad directly there, but am doing by best to articulate the perceived, and possibly true, MESSAGE that’s being delivered).

Does NOBODY think this is just fucked up?

Can ANYONE …anyone at all …just STOP trying to make themselves ‘right’ here long enough to see that fans who were promised something by the artist, and who had absolutely NO intention of ever ‘exploiting’ this music…. Just got dicked over by a selfish, thoughtless, and dumb decision?
Can CHAD just stop for a minute, and put himself in someone else’s shoes and think “gee, that’s kind of fucked up that a bunch of my fans who have supported me for decades just missed out.” Chad has claimed in interviews that he’s the biggest fan of this music. I know this isn’t about who’s a ‘real’ fan…. But wouldn’t a ‘real’ fan like Chad realize that there are loyal, honest, really cool fans who just got screwed over? Is he that out of touch? For all of you who have the songs, who are looking down on those who don’t, who CLAIM to be REAL fans…. Are you really a real fan if you can’t even feel for other people who support the music (and have no bad intentions) who missed out on this?

Is a Rick Astley video or dancing bananas or other nonsense the way you want to be about this?
That’s fine. And I realize that this post is nothing more than me getting a few things off my chest. And it won’t change the fact that people will distort what I say and make more ‘distracting’ arguments or go off on a tangent or any of that other nonsense. It certainly won’t make Chad like me or appreciate me as a fan or ever want to do anything for me. It won’t change his mind, trust me, I know this. This will NOT change his mind to keep Churchbox back in the vault now. But there’s one more thing that it won’t change. It won’t change the fact that real fans who supported the band both in 1994 AND in 2014 just got screwed over by a bad decision and a thoughtless choice.

This is sad and shameful, and while I’m about to go back to my life now, I can’t help but wonder why anyone at all would be okay with this.