Classic Rock Magazine (2014), The rise, demise and redemption of Live Options

[Bremang]

Sounds like you're trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube here.

After many years of being held at bay with egotistcal behavior and bad attitude to most of the internal Live family, people just burst over time. I am sure they apologized for some of the internet chatter, it's evidenced by much of their support for his current work on social media and the many interview. Look like they moved on. People who have been following the band since day 1, can tell you they can make their own decision on the direction and support of what came after year 2000+ Live didn't try to turn fans against Ed, Ed did that on his own accord over several years.

Some of the post suit pot shots from Ed's facebook on that he did it all and the rest had no creative input is proof full example of said ego and continued ego. I don't think CCP ever subjected Ed's family to any of that. It was addressed to him. Boy, that sounds a bit kindergarten from you there. Can you produce some facts or support for your claims?

As for the stuff I've read the suits had merit and were settled out of court due to full merit of the plaintiffs, albiet it being quiet and confidential.

nah dude...they tried to take Ed down a peg and are still having a go calling his songwriting shit cause that's the story they need to keep. Ed's ego has nothing to do with anything, and there is no way of knowing the merits of the suit unless the suit is revealed to the public.

[turningstones]

story they need to keep? What are you some kind of high up chair sitter? Ed's ego and separation to do things alone violated the brotherhood and trust they had with LIVE, it's pretty close to the majority of why there finished as that old original line up. You can take the other side of the arguement everytime, but if you know anything about Ed's progressive isolation and ego trip, and how the band fractured over time do to these differences, then we have nothing to continue on here.

Here is the simple equation:

LIVE (4 collaborative people, brotherhood) + 4 successful albums > 3 vs 1 + one wanting to render the 3 obsolete in the band vision + 3 shitty records.

It's that simple. We have 20 years to measure this.

[SJN1279]

story they need to keep? What are you some kind of high up chair sitter? Ed's ego and separation to do things alone violated the brotherhood and trust they had with LIVE, it's pretty close to the majority of why there finished as that old original line up. You can take the other side of the arguement everytime, but if you know anything about Ed's progressive isolation and ego trip, and how the band fractured over time do to these differences, then we have nothing to continue on here.

Here is the simple equation:

LIVE (4 collaborative people, brotherhood) + 4 successful albums > 3 vs 1 + one wanting to render the 3 obsolete in the band vision + 3 shitty records.

It's that simple. We have 20 years to measure this.

Marriages break up, bands break up. The fault is usually shared. Publicly, Ed handled the break-up much classier than CCP. That is fact.
IMHO there is only one crappy Live record, and it came out last month.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Nov 13 2014, 9:51 am

[ThrowgnCpr]

IMHO there is only one crappy Live record, and it came out last month.

There's the rub - it's your opinion, and I'm not sure if you noticed or not, but nobody around here really cares for your weird opinions.

For me, there are three Live albums that are essentially un-listenable, and it isn't The Turn. In fact, I would be fine if they reissued SFBM as an Ed album instead of a Live album. It's basically his first true solo album anyway.

[turningstones]

Marriages break up, bands break up. The fault is usually shared. Publicly, Ed handled the break-up much classier than CCP. That is fact.
IMHO there is only one crappy Live record, and it came out last month.

The only one saying the record is not good is you, your opinion.

But everyone who cared for LIVE can judge that for themselves.

Carry on your flaming/defaming/insanity rants.

[SJN1279]

The only one saying the record is not good is you, your opinion.

But everyone who cared for LIVE can judge that for themselves.

Carry on your flaming/defaming/insanity rants.

And you liking the record is your opinion.

[alexou]

And you liking the record is your opinion.

him, and about 90% of the reviews so far that gave at least 7/10 for the Turn. (and I didn't read one negatire review, the 90% protects me in case there is a negative review that I didn't read...does Nick count?)

[SinfulEyes]

him, and about 90% of the reviews so far that gave at least 7/10 for the Turn. (and I didn't read one negatire review, the 90% protects me in case there is a negative review that I didn't read...does Nick count?)

No, of course not. I remember when The River debuted and the Live community collectively let out a LOL and literally stopped listening and following the band. That is all you really need to know about SFBM. I do not know or care to know about The Turn's sales figures. I am not one to judge what I like or do not like based on that and neither do most people. To do that is just asinine.

[Bremang]

story they need to keep? What are you some kind of high up chair sitter? Ed's ego and separation to do things alone violated the brotherhood and trust they had with LIVE, it's pretty close to the majority of why there finished as that old original line up. You can take the other side of the arguement everytime, but if you know anything about Ed's progressive isolation and ego trip, and how the band fractured over time do to these differences, then we have nothing to continue on here.

Here is the simple equation:

LIVE (4 collaborative people, brotherhood) + 4 successful albums > 3 vs 1 + one wanting to render the 3 obsolete in the band vision + 3 shitty records.

It's that simple. We have 20 years to measure this.

"toothpaste back in the tube," "high up chair sitter,"....you remind me of someone that used to post here

Just listen to Chad. He admits that it was right for Ed to go solo and do things alone. Chad also admits that CCP should have done the same sooner. Chad admits Ed did the right thing, it was just hard for him to accept. It would have violated the brotherhood for Ed to live a lie and keep collaborating against his will.

I can see you're using 4 successful albums as an argument. I think that you are confusing your taste for the music with the concept of ego. They are unrelated. You don't like Ed's new music as much as his old music, and neither do I. That doesn't mean Ed was supposed to collaborate against his will just to make music the fans would like. Again, listen to Chad. Success for CCP is whether or not they're happy with the music. Same goes for Ed.